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Post by gaznandi on Jun 28, 2023 7:43:29 GMT
www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12910631/black-footballers-partnership-football-association-refusing-to-address-lack-of-black-coachesThe FA's Football Leadership Diversity Code sets targets for all football clubs, whereby 25 per cent of all new coaching hires and 10 per cent of senior coaching hires are from black, Asian or mixed heritage backgrounds. The new report shows only 10 of the 92 professional clubs in England are meeting that criteria. Only 10 clubs of the 92 in England are meeting the targets set out by the FA. Those are: Arsenal, Manchester United, Brentford, Burnley, Burton Albion, Doncaster Rovers, Fleetwood Town, Ipswich Town, QPR and Stoke City
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jun 28, 2023 7:57:36 GMT
...Oh.
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Post by flea79 on Jun 28, 2023 7:59:39 GMT
hire super jon walters as a coach, he ticks so many boxes its untrue!
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Post by Veritas on Jun 28, 2023 8:18:19 GMT
hire super jon walters as a coach, he ticks so many boxes its untrue! 🥱 |
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Post by nottsover60 on Jun 28, 2023 8:27:03 GMT
It is quite an impressive stat as I don't think Stoke on Trent is as diverse as a lot of other cities with football clubs so they should be applauded for making the effort. As I've said before about FFP the Coates do stick by the rules and don't try to get round the regulations. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Jun 28, 2023 8:32:15 GMT
www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12910631/black-footballers-partnership-football-association-refusing-to-address-lack-of-black-coachesThe FA's Football Leadership Diversity Code sets targets for all football clubs, whereby 25 per cent of all new coaching hires and 10 per cent of senior coaching hires are from black, Asian or mixed heritage backgrounds. The new report shows only 10 of the 92 professional clubs in England are meeting that criteria. Only 10 clubs of the 92 in England are meeting the targets set out by the FA. Those are: Arsenal, Manchester United, Brentford, Burnley, Burton Albion, Doncaster Rovers, Fleetwood Town, Ipswich Town, QPR and Stoke City Though I do have some doubts about the alleged 100% of our new senior coaches being black! I can only assume it is supposed to be 10% which would also meet the criteria |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 28, 2023 9:06:03 GMT
www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12910631/black-footballers-partnership-football-association-refusing-to-address-lack-of-black-coachesThe FA's Football Leadership Diversity Code sets targets for all football clubs, whereby 25 per cent of all new coaching hires and 10 per cent of senior coaching hires are from black, Asian or mixed heritage backgrounds. The new report shows only 10 of the 92 professional clubs in England are meeting that criteria. Only 10 clubs of the 92 in England are meeting the targets set out by the FA. Those are: Arsenal, Manchester United, Brentford, Burnley, Burton Albion, Doncaster Rovers, Fleetwood Town, Ipswich Town, QPR and Stoke City Though I do have some doubts about the alleged 100% of our new senior coaches being black! I can only assume it is supposed to be 10% which would also meet the criteria I'm more confused about how 10% of our senior coaches can be black when last time I checked we didn't have any senior coaches. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2023 9:46:05 GMT
I don't know a single Stoke fan , who could care less , what colour the first team coach, or youth team coach is .
It's a total irrelevance .
You might as well say ... oh, non of the first team coaches are vegan and ten per cent of the population are vegan.
Or none of the youth team coaches are transgender and such a percentage of the population is transgender .
I want to see better football at the bet 365 .
I couldn't care less if the coach is black or white, transgender or straight, young or old.
We simply want good coaches.
If they are good, that's great and I couldn't care less what colour they are .
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Post by lordb on Jun 28, 2023 9:47:06 GMT
It is quite an impressive stat as I don't think Stoke on Trent is as diverse as a lot of other cities with football clubs so they should be applauded for making the effort. As I've said before about FFP the Coates do stick by the rules and don't try to get round the regulations. True, although that is changing |
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Post by foster on Jun 28, 2023 9:56:44 GMT
www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12910631/black-footballers-partnership-football-association-refusing-to-address-lack-of-black-coachesThe FA's Football Leadership Diversity Code sets targets for all football clubs, whereby 25 per cent of all new coaching hires and 10 per cent of senior coaching hires are from black, Asian or mixed heritage backgrounds. The new report shows only 10 of the 92 professional clubs in England are meeting that criteria. Only 10 clubs of the 92 in England are meeting the targets set out by the FA. Those are: Arsenal, Manchester United, Brentford, Burnley, Burton Albion, Doncaster Rovers, Fleetwood Town, Ipswich Town, QPR and Stoke City Not that it's of real interest to me but... '82% of people in England and Wales are white, and 18% belong to a black, Asian, mixed or other ethnic group (2021 Census data)' www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.ukSo by that reckoning the 25% is over compensating. It should (if at all) be more around the 20% mark (based on the 2021 figures). Of course the Football league and especially Premier league are made up of a lot of other nationalities and not so representative of the UK as a whole, so I'm not sure on what basis the FA have come up with this 25% target. |
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 28, 2023 10:01:13 GMT
I don't know a single Stoke fan , who could care less , what colour the first team coach, or youth team coach is . It's a total irrelevance . You might as well say ... oh, non of the first team coaches are vegan and ten per cent of the population are vegan. Or none of the youth team coaches are transgender and such a percentage of the population is transgender . I want to see better football at the bet 365 . I couldn't care less if the coach is black or white, transgender or straight, young or old. We simply want good coaches. If they are good, that's great and I couldn't care less what colour they are . that's all fine from your perspective, but maybe it's not a total irrelevance if you happen to be a black coach? |
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 28, 2023 10:08:14 GMT
www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12910631/black-footballers-partnership-football-association-refusing-to-address-lack-of-black-coachesThe FA's Football Leadership Diversity Code sets targets for all football clubs, whereby 25 per cent of all new coaching hires and 10 per cent of senior coaching hires are from black, Asian or mixed heritage backgrounds. The new report shows only 10 of the 92 professional clubs in England are meeting that criteria. Only 10 clubs of the 92 in England are meeting the targets set out by the FA. Those are: Arsenal, Manchester United, Brentford, Burnley, Burton Albion, Doncaster Rovers, Fleetwood Town, Ipswich Town, QPR and Stoke City Not that it's of real interest to me but... '82% of people in England and Wales are white, and 18% belong to a black, Asian, mixed or other ethnic group (2021 Census data)' www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.ukSo by that reckoning the 25% is over compensating. It should (if at all) be more around the 20% mark (based on the 2021 figures). Of course the Football league and especially Premier league are made up of a lot of other nationalities and not so representative of the UK as a whole, so I'm not sure on what basis the FA have come up with this 25% target. this might have something to do with it the 25% of new hires is to address the existing imbalance, this will hopefully increase the representation from what it is (less that 5%), but will obviously not make it 25% in total. the targets are '25 per cent of all new coaching hires and 10 per cent of senior coaching hires are from black, Asian or mixed heritage backgrounds.' In addition, 'Black players account for 43 per cent of all those playing in the Premier League and 34 per cent of all EFL players. Yet, across the board in England, the report says less than five per cent of professional football coaches in the top four divisions are black.' |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2023 10:13:43 GMT
I don't know a single Stoke fan , who could care less , what colour the first team coach, or youth team coach is . It's a total irrelevance . You might as well say ... oh, non of the first team coaches are vegan and ten per cent of the population are vegan. Or none of the youth team coaches are transgender and such a percentage of the population is transgender . I want to see better football at the bet 365 . I couldn't care less if the coach is black or white, transgender or straight, young or old. We simply want good coaches. If they are good, that's great and I couldn't care less what colour they are . that's all fine from your perspective, but maybe it's not a total irrelevance if you happen to be a black coach? Lets say the best applicant for u18 coach at Stoke is Roberta , who is white , transgender and disabled . The second best applicant is Robert , black , straight and able bodied . Stoke cannot discriminate against Roberta , for being white , disabled and transgender and give the job to Robert . Its literally illegal to discriminate against people based on colour , disability and sexuality and quite right too . |
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Post by iamstokie on Jun 28, 2023 10:15:54 GMT
more woke bullshit , just employ the best person for the job no matter if they’re white , black , male , female or a fridge
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2023 10:18:22 GMT
more woke bullshit , just employ the best person for the job no matter if they’re white , black , male , female or a fridge exactly |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Jun 28, 2023 10:18:57 GMT
www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12910631/black-footballers-partnership-football-association-refusing-to-address-lack-of-black-coachesThe FA's Football Leadership Diversity Code sets targets for all football clubs, whereby 25 per cent of all new coaching hires and 10 per cent of senior coaching hires are from black, Asian or mixed heritage backgrounds. The new report shows only 10 of the 92 professional clubs in England are meeting that criteria. Only 10 clubs of the 92 in England are meeting the targets set out by the FA. Those are: Arsenal, Manchester United, Brentford, Burnley, Burton Albion, Doncaster Rovers, Fleetwood Town, Ipswich Town, QPR and Stoke City Not that it's of real interest to me but... '82% of people in England and Wales are white, and 18% belong to a black, Asian, mixed or other ethnic group (2021 Census data)' www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.ukSo by that reckoning the 25% is over compensating. It should (if at all) be more around the 20% mark (based on the 2021 figures). Of course the Football league and especially Premier league are made up of a lot of other nationalities and not so representative of the UK as a whole, so I'm not sure on what basis the FA have come up with this 25% target. I wonder how many non-white British coaches have the necessary coaching qualifications? If the pool is too small, that’s not necessarily the fault of the clubs. With regards to the various ethnicities of the players in the English game, whilst there are things to be taken from playing the game into coaching, coaching is a different job. There could be various societal reasons why certain ethnicities don’t have as much interest or the ability to take up coaching roles, something that is beyond the game of football. |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jun 28, 2023 10:21:44 GMT
Personally, I'd prefer Stoke to employ somebody on merit rather than just box ticking!!!
If you're going to pay a wage to someone, you want him to be the best in that field you can afford, whether he's white, black, purple, green or blue!!!
That's the way I'd run my business anyhow!!!
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jun 28, 2023 10:31:07 GMT
I don't know a single Stoke fan , who could care less , what colour the first team coach, or youth team coach is . It's a total irrelevance . You might as well say ... oh, non of the first team coaches are vegan and ten per cent of the population are vegan. Or none of the youth team coaches are transgender and such a percentage of the population is transgender . I want to see better football at the bet 365 . I couldn't care less if the coach is black or white, transgender or straight, young or old. We simply want good coaches. If they are good, that's great and I couldn't care less what colour they are . While I'm not a fan of percentage targets, it's not irrelevant. For a start, children should have (or arguably need) role models to look up to whatever their skin colour, background, gender, or whether they have a disability. Thanks to England's success at the Euro's last year, tens of thousands more girls now know it's not just boys who can play football. Lewis Hamilton has been a massive role model - still the only black F1 driver but helping pave the way for future generations. There's still systemic racism in football (whether unconscious or otherwise) that means people of colour don't have the same opportunities when it comes to coaching. It happens on the playing side too - there have been very few British Asian footballers playing at the top level. |
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Post by Gods on Jun 28, 2023 10:41:57 GMT
It's not 'diversity' in the round is it?
It's really about colour, I think.
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Post by HarryTheHat on Jun 28, 2023 10:49:50 GMT
It's not 'diversity' in the round is it? It's really about colour, I think. Exactly this There are a multitude of protected characteristics when it comes to Equality and Inclusion but the whole agenda is repeatedly hijacked by just one of them - Ethnicity I work for a very large public sector employer that happens to currently have an ethnicity profile very closely aligned to the 2021 census (19% of the workforce being non-white) so therefore matching the population approximately However nobody seems in the slightest bit interested in tacking the gender imbalance - 66% of our workforce is female, that's not representative of the population but there is no focus nor initiatives in place around increasing male participation - everything and I mean everything around Equality and Inclusion is solely focussed on achieving ethnicity targets |
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Post by HarryTheHat on Jun 28, 2023 10:52:08 GMT
www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12910631/black-footballers-partnership-football-association-refusing-to-address-lack-of-black-coachesThe FA's Football Leadership Diversity Code sets targets for all football clubs, whereby 25 per cent of all new coaching hires and 10 per cent of senior coaching hires are from black, Asian or mixed heritage backgrounds. The new report shows only 10 of the 92 professional clubs in England are meeting that criteria. Only 10 clubs of the 92 in England are meeting the targets set out by the FA. Those are: Arsenal, Manchester United, Brentford, Burnley, Burton Albion, Doncaster Rovers, Fleetwood Town, Ipswich Town, QPR and Stoke City .... meanwhile on the pitch, we're a shambles |
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Post by Gods on Jun 28, 2023 10:55:32 GMT
It's not 'diversity' in the round is it? It's really about colour, I think. Exactly this There are a multitude of protected characteristics when it comes to Equality and Inclusion but the whole agenda is repeatedly hijacked by just one of them - Ethnicity I work for a very large public sector employer that happens to currently have an ethnicity profile very closely aligned to the 2021 census (19% of the workforce being non-white) so therefore matching the population approximately However nobody seems in the slightest bit interested in tacking the gender imbalance - 66% of our workforce is female, that's not representative of the population but there is no focus nor initiatives in place around increasing male participation - everything and I mean everything around Equality and Inclusion is solely focussed on achieving ethnicity targets Can you imagine...every interview short list must include at least one clapped out, middle aged, Caucasian, straight guy such as myself! 😆 |
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 28, 2023 11:01:20 GMT
It's not 'diversity' in the round is it? It's really about colour, I think. Generally, it’s hard to tick every box all at once. Initiatives often focus on one task before moving on once they feel that they have achieved their targets. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2023 11:18:43 GMT
I don't know a single Stoke fan , who could care less , what colour the first team coach, or youth team coach is . It's a total irrelevance . You might as well say ... oh, non of the first team coaches are vegan and ten per cent of the population are vegan. Or none of the youth team coaches are transgender and such a percentage of the population is transgender . I want to see better football at the bet 365 . I couldn't care less if the coach is black or white, transgender or straight, young or old. We simply want good coaches. If they are good, that's great and I couldn't care less what colour they are . While I'm not a fan of percentage targets, it's not irrelevant. For a start, children should have (or arguably need) role models to look up to whatever their skin colour, background, gender, or whether they have a disability. Thanks to England's success at the Euro's last year, tens of thousands more girls now know it's not just boys who can play football. Lewis Hamilton has been a massive role model - still the only black F1 driver but helping pave the way for future generations. There's still systemic racism in football (whether unconscious or otherwise) that means people of colour don't have the same opportunities when it comes to coaching. It happens on the playing side too - there have been very few British Asian footballers playing at the top level. lewis Hamiliton is not black , he is mixed race . Lewis Hamilton's mum is white ( from stevenage i think ?) and his dad is black , which makes him mixed race . He is definately not black , because his mum is definitely white , no matter what his PR says . He also comes from a middle class ( his dad was an IT consultant and his mum worked ) family , that owns their own house. With his parents mortgaging their house and spending a large chunk of their wages on setting up with Lewis his own professional karting team when he was very young ( good on them ) , he enjoyed the sort of advantages and breaks a white working class kid from a council house in Fenton is never going to get . Lewis Hamiliton is massively talented but he is not black and had far more opportunity than a white working class kid from a council house in Stoke . |
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Post by femark on Jun 28, 2023 11:20:40 GMT
I don't know a single Stoke fan , who could care less , what colour the first team coach, or youth team coach is . It's a total irrelevance . You might as well say ... oh, non of the first team coaches are vegan and ten per cent of the population are vegan. Or none of the youth team coaches are transgender and such a percentage of the population is transgender . I want to see better football at the bet 365 . I couldn't care less if the coach is black or white, transgender or straight, young or old. We simply want good coaches. If they are good, that's great and I couldn't care less what colour they are . While I'm not a fan of percentage targets, it's not irrelevant. For a start, children should have (or arguably need) role models to look up to whatever their skin colour, background, gender, or whether they have a disability. Thanks to England's success at the Euro's last year, tens of thousands more girls now know it's not just boys who can play football. Lewis Hamilton has been a massive role model - still the only black F1 driver but helping pave the way for future generations. There's still systemic racism in football (whether unconscious or otherwise) that means people of colour don't have the same opportunities when it comes to coaching. It happens on the playing side too - there have been very few British Asian footballers playing at the top level. The problem is the percentage targets are looking for equality of outcome and not equality of opportunity. We already have equality of opportunity as there is no barrier to completing coaching badges. The statistics that actually matter are either not being investigated or are unable to be quantified. It would be interesting to know how many black players have actually completed the relevant coaching badges. The data also fails to interpret the number of black coaches that played in the english leagues but have gone to coach in other national leagues. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2023 11:22:46 GMT
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Post by Eggybread on Jun 28, 2023 11:22:59 GMT
I bet we are bottom of the ethnic/minority supporters .We have hardly any,but we dont embrace,cultures,beliefs other religions in Stoke so its not surprising in the least.I mean we even sing about the IRA for christs sake.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jun 28, 2023 11:28:18 GMT
Why doesn't this apply to the Board? Start at the top etc.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jun 28, 2023 13:21:40 GMT
While I'm not a fan of percentage targets, it's not irrelevant. For a start, children should have (or arguably need) role models to look up to whatever their skin colour, background, gender, or whether they have a disability. Thanks to England's success at the Euro's last year, tens of thousands more girls now know it's not just boys who can play football. Lewis Hamilton has been a massive role model - still the only black F1 driver but helping pave the way for future generations. There's still systemic racism in football (whether unconscious or otherwise) that means people of colour don't have the same opportunities when it comes to coaching. It happens on the playing side too - there have been very few British Asian footballers playing at the top level. The problem is the percentage targets are looking for equality of outcome and not equality of opportunity. We already have equality of opportunity as there is no barrier to completing coaching badges. The statistics that actually matter are either not being investigated or are unable to be quantified. It would be interesting to know how many black players have actually completed the relevant coaching badges. The data also fails to interpret the number of black coaches that played in the english leagues but have gone to coach in other national leagues. Are you completely sure there is equal opportunity? Even if there was equal opportunity in getting coaching badges, there is much less percentage of black coaches than black people who've completed the relevant coaching qualifications over the past 20 years than there is professional coaches. www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12541719/les-ferdinand-criticises-fa-initiatives-as-report-shows-glass-ceiling-for-black-coaches |
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jun 28, 2023 13:35:01 GMT
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