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Post by norters on Jun 27, 2023 10:38:31 GMT
First and foremost, I think the Coates family have been great for the club 2nd time around but our decline mirrors Jon's ascendency in the hierarchy..
We simply lack any strategic direction under his leadership..
Jon is undoubtedly a devoted fan which is a huge positive but he has proved that he is incapable of filling the role required with forward planning/clear decision making/hiring/firing/marketing/people development - He's simply a lawyer in his sisters extremely successful business.
We're back for training at the end of June with a threadbare squad and only just employed someone to oversee player recruitment.
With the financial resources available, I have no idea why they just don't pay an experienced football club business manager to oversee the operation.
I'm fearful this season.
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Post by march4 on Jun 27, 2023 10:54:24 GMT
The plan is to clear the decks and hope that AN is the right man to rebuild it all.
A lot of pressure on that rebuild.
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Post by grovepotter on Jun 27, 2023 10:58:55 GMT
High risk but most certainly needed, this year will be steady at best. I have no problem with that, we have been promised promotion pushes numerous times and it has not materialised. As a fan I have fallen into the hysteria of preseason many times, but this year feels different and I like it.
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Post by DC1863 on Jun 27, 2023 10:59:31 GMT
We're in the process of another rebuild/restructure with the playing, coaching and recruitment staff being completely overhauled, plus the work on the training ground and stadium.
Time will tell if the decisions were correct but JC has clearly decided on a change of process.
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Post by questionable on Jun 27, 2023 11:05:19 GMT
Exactly what is his track record since taking over, I’ll start massive decline and no forward planning whatsoever
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jun 27, 2023 15:24:46 GMT
In all fairness contracts of players dont end till end of June, players take their holidays in June.. things start happening from July onwards..
I can't remember any stoke manager doing their transfer business early into the summer - even Pulis used to talk about waiting for the apples to drop. In fact the only time we did a fair bit of summer deals early was under Nathon Jones, and look at the state that got us into.
This is a summer of clear outs and rebuild, sometimes you have to clear the decks and start again this includes the head of recruitment...maybe he was under contract. Maybe he was on a family holiday, maybe it took a while to agree with him to move his family again and start another job miles away from where he is based..
For all the stick jc gets...and yes the last 5 seasons have Been dire. But they've had the clear out the majority of fans were calling for - including encouraging Scholes and many more to leave without being sued for unfair dismissal.. I would say this is the summer of a new era, new blocks are being put in place..it just takes time..
As a wise old man once said- patience is a virtue, possess it if you can, seldom found in women but always in a man..
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Post by loosestools on Jun 27, 2023 15:38:16 GMT
I'm tired of the Coates bashing fraternity.
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Post by fraybentos on Jun 27, 2023 15:59:10 GMT
Competitive and aggressive in the market they all said
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Post by thevoid on Jun 27, 2023 16:03:42 GMT
I'm tired of the Coates bashing fraternity. I'm tired of the Stoke decline fraternity |
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Post by innercitysumo on Jun 27, 2023 16:06:42 GMT
I'm tired of the Coates bashing fraternity. I'm tired of the Stoke decline fraternity I’m tired of both |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 27, 2023 16:17:33 GMT
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Jun 27, 2023 16:27:03 GMT
Exactly what is his track record since taking over, I’ll start massive decline and no forward planning whatsoever It's not massive decline, its just 'no improvement' from when he took over, really. He's done no better than MON did, but then you could say that at least MON had chance to build his own squad, to an extent. Neil has a monumental task on his hands & I really want him to succeed. He has to. |
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Post by iglugluk on Jun 27, 2023 16:39:30 GMT
In all fairness contracts of players dont end till end of June, players take their holidays in June.. things start happening from July onwards.. I can't remember any stoke manager doing their transfer business early into the summer - even Pulis used to talk about waiting for the apples to drop. In fact the only time we did a fair bit of summer deals early was under Nathon Jones, and look at the state that got us into. This is a summer of clear outs and rebuild, sometimes you have to clear the decks and start again this includes the head of recruitment...maybe he was under contract. Maybe he was on a family holiday, maybe it took a while to agree with him to move his family again and start another job miles away from where he is based.. For all the stick jc gets...and yes the last 5 seasons have Been dire. But they've had the clear out the majority of fans were calling for - including encouraging Scholes and many more to leave without being sued for unfair dismissal.. I would say this is the summer of a new era, new blocks are being put in place..it just takes time.. As a wise old man once said- patience is a virtue, possess it if you can, seldom found in women but always in a man.. seldom found in women, never in a man is the correct iteration of that phrase |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jun 27, 2023 16:59:49 GMT
In all fairness contracts of players dont end till end of June, players take their holidays in June.. things start happening from July onwards.. I can't remember any stoke manager doing their transfer business early into the summer - even Pulis used to talk about waiting for the apples to drop. In fact the only time we did a fair bit of summer deals early was under Nathon Jones, and look at the state that got us into. This is a summer of clear outs and rebuild, sometimes you have to clear the decks and start again this includes the head of recruitment...maybe he was under contract. Maybe he was on a family holiday, maybe it took a while to agree with him to move his family again and start another job miles away from where he is based.. For all the stick jc gets...and yes the last 5 seasons have Been dire. But they've had the clear out the majority of fans were calling for - including encouraging Scholes and many more to leave without being sued for unfair dismissal.. I would say this is the summer of a new era, new blocks are being put in place..it just takes time.. As a wise old man once said- patience is a virtue, possess it if you can, seldom found in women but always in a man.. seldom found in women, never in a man is the correct iteration of that phrase Doesn't have the same effect though when winding the good lady up...so I'll stick to my version handed down through generation's of wise divorced men |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jun 27, 2023 17:01:52 GMT
Exactly what is his track record since taking over, I’ll start massive decline and no forward planning whatsoever I would of thought this summers complete overhaul had some planning to it.. Why fo people want is to sign players and coaches in early June....so we can pay them a month's money to go on holiday before they start? |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jun 27, 2023 17:05:28 GMT
Fast forward to Feb 2024 in mid table ‘ this season was always going to be about rebuilding a team for the future.’
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 27, 2023 17:13:05 GMT
Maybe just wait and see what's happened by the end of the window to judge.
What's the point in moaning now or predicting utter garbage without seeing the type of players we do bring in when no one knows what's going on behind the scenes.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 27, 2023 17:14:46 GMT
Exactly what is his track record since taking over, I’ll start massive decline and no forward planning whatsoever It's not massive decline, its just 'no improvement' from when he took over, really. He's done no better than MON did, but then you could say that at least MON had chance to build his own squad, to an extent. Neil has a monumental task on his hands & I really want him to succeed. He has to. He's referring to John Coates not AN I think? |
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Post by hamptonpig on Jun 27, 2023 17:20:21 GMT
What's the plan? I'd argue this is the one time we've had a plan since relegation, rather than just chuck money at it. Clear the decks, remove anything that wasn't working (within reason - players, coaches, recruitment staff), get people in you're going to trust, and let them rebuild. That's where we are now isn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2023 17:27:31 GMT
Wibble Wobble.
Come look at this jelly Dad.
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Jun 27, 2023 17:29:26 GMT
It's not massive decline, its just 'no improvement' from when he took over, really. He's done no better than MON did, but then you could say that at least MON had chance to build his own squad, to an extent. Neil has a monumental task on his hands & I really want him to succeed. He has to. He's referring to John Coates not AN I think? Oh dear 🤣 |
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Post by loosestools on Jun 27, 2023 18:03:45 GMT
No Coates - No Stoke City?
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Post by stokeson on Jun 27, 2023 18:43:43 GMT
No Coates - No Stoke City? Might be the most silly post ive seen on here for a long time. Im a Stoke supporter not a Coates supporter.They ARE NOT THE SAME THING.... pS I know youre not stupid LS. |
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Post by marcofstoke on Jun 27, 2023 18:50:49 GMT
I don’t suppose he’s fussed on answering you if you can’t even spell his name correctly!
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Post by danceswithclams on Jun 27, 2023 18:57:46 GMT
I'm tired of the Coates bashing fraternity. I'm tired of the Coates family and this torrid fucking football club in general. |
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Post by victoria on Jun 27, 2023 19:28:30 GMT
The plan is for the academy to be a sucess. For us to be a selling club. A cheap successful 1st team. After a waste of millions spent on unsuccessful plsyers.
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Post by wilcopotter on Jun 27, 2023 19:36:20 GMT
Heard Jon is cost cutting and enquired to ellisons to see if they can provide a mini bus for the players this season. This may shed some light on the recruitment policy 😊
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Post by swampySCFC on Jun 27, 2023 21:42:54 GMT
Jon needs to get his finger out. Not sure he knows his arse from his elbow. Only thing you can say is its his fucking money hes pissing away
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Post by stokesupporter on Jun 28, 2023 6:29:21 GMT
*John Coates
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 28, 2023 6:31:02 GMT
No Coates - No Stoke City? What, as in we wouldn’t exist? Feel free to show your working. |
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