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Post by wannabee on Jun 22, 2023 13:21:05 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 22, 2023 15:11:37 GMT
I honestly don’t know how they will solve these issues. I was reading a report on Al Jazeera the other day where several young men travelled legally from Pakistan through Libya and then onwards to Europe: www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/21/hopelessness-why-pakistanis-are-leaving-losing-lives-at-seaThe goal, even of single men, is to go out there, earn money, live as cheap as they can and send what they can spare back to enrich their families. People call them “economic migrants” and try to make it sound like a dirty word. I call them human beings looking to provide a better life for their families, as we all want to do. The loss of life on the submarine is a tragic, isolated event that shouldn’t have happened. These poor migrants are dying so regularly just to try and create a better life for their loved ones. |
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Post by wannabee on Jun 22, 2023 15:35:07 GMT
I honestly don’t know how they will solve these issues. I was reading a report on Al Jazeera the other day where several young men travelled legally from Pakistan through Libya and then onwards to Europe: www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/21/hopelessness-why-pakistanis-are-leaving-losing-lives-at-seaThe goal, even of single men, is to go out there, earn money, live as cheap as they can and send what they can spare back to enrich their families. People call them “economic migrants” and try to make it sound like a dirty word. I call them human beings looking to provide a better life for their families, as we all want to do. The loss of life on the submarine is a tragic, isolated event that shouldn’t have happened. These poor migrants are dying so regularly just to try and create a better life for their loved ones. Like you I have no idea how this problem can be fixed. If they are fleeing from impoverishment then that's something that can be worked on If it is a regime that also has conflict then those that are able I.e. Young men will get out if they can The piece I posted from Padraig O'Brien was an abbreviated version. The full clip was shown on Channel 4 last night. There were a number of men and woman entangled in fishing nets completely exhausted and these were the lucky ones that were snared and saved by them. Alongside were body bags which which the complete vacant looking people were standing guard over being their friends and relatives Tunisia has become a very unsafe place for Migrants with the Despotic leader having his ass kissed and bribed by EU if he can stop people getting to Europe It's quite despairing |
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 22, 2023 16:27:11 GMT
I honestly don’t know how they will solve these issues. I was reading a report on Al Jazeera the other day where several young men travelled legally from Pakistan through Libya and then onwards to Europe: www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/21/hopelessness-why-pakistanis-are-leaving-losing-lives-at-seaThe goal, even of single men, is to go out there, earn money, live as cheap as they can and send what they can spare back to enrich their families. People call them “economic migrants” and try to make it sound like a dirty word. I call them human beings looking to provide a better life for their families, as we all want to do. The loss of life on the submarine is a tragic, isolated event that shouldn’t have happened. These poor migrants are dying so regularly just to try and create a better life for their loved ones. Like you I have no idea how this problem can be fixed. If they are fleeing from impoverishment then that's something that can be worked on If it is a regime that also has conflict then those that are able I.e. Young men will get out if they can The piece I posted from Padraig O'Brien was an abbreviated version. The full clip was shown on Channel 4 last night. There were a number of men and woman entangled in fishing nets completely exhausted and these were the lucky ones that were snared and saved by them. Alongside were body bags which which the complete vacant looking people were standing guard over being their friends and relatives Tunisia has become a very unsafe place for Migrants with the Despotic leader having his ass kissed and bribed by EU if he can stop people getting to Europe It's quite despairing I think it will take generations of work. What countries need is opportunities. There’s no point sending in business if the workforce is also imported. That doesn’t benefit local people. As much as it’s horrible, the awful sweatshops do provide employment for villagers (though they should do A LOT better). On that note, I think that China will become a big player in equalizing opportunities (for its own gain/influence). It has spent fortunes in Africa already, looking at building infrastructure so that it can have a bigger voice in policy decisions later. Perhaps Europe, the US and China/Japan could look at policies that incentivize better public school access and higher quality education in underserved areas? I’m sure people would argue that domestic funding should come first but my counter to that is that there would be less threats of terrorism and less “economic migration” to contend with if less insular policies were considered. |
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Post by teenagefanclub on Jun 22, 2023 16:31:16 GMT
Genuine question, was there this much migrant boat action 20, 30 years ago?
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Post by gawa on Jun 22, 2023 16:45:57 GMT
Genuine question, was there this much migrant boat action 20, 30 years ago? Most likely not. It would have been much more challenging without the communication and navigation technology we have nowadays to arrange. Especially as Africa is even further behind than the rest of the world. Technology has allowed them to connect with people across the world, read and share about experiences of immigrating, see what is possible in the west through social media and such. |
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 22, 2023 16:46:05 GMT
Genuine question, was there this much migrant boat action 20, 30 years ago? Yeah. Perhaps not on this scale, but it still happened frequently. “Reports of migrants attempting to enter the UK clandestinely by crossing the Channel go back at least twenty years. In the late 1990s, people began moving to Calais to try to reach the UK, and migrants camps began to form. In response, the French Red Cross built the Sangatte refugee camp near Calais in 1999. The camp was closed in 2002, but some migrants remained there, with the area continuing to attract migrants planning to reach the UK. The problem rose to prominence again in 2014. At that time, the focus was on people attempting to enter the UK without authorisation by stowing away on ships, such as passenger ferries, and on trucks, cars, and trains passing through the Channel Tunnel. In early 2015, another encampment began to form in Calais, which came to be known as the ‘Calais Jungle’. In October 2016, the Jungle was cleared, when it was estimated to be home to seven thousand migrants.” migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/commentaries/qa-migrants-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/ |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 22, 2023 17:43:59 GMT
It's a selfish ,uncaring world, in many ways. Perhaps in the same vein www.newvictheatre.org.uk/productions/a-play-for-the-living-in-a-time-of-extinction/My Thousand Year Old Land (A Song for BiH) Friday 7 July at 7.30pm and Saturday 8 July at 2.15pm and 7.30pm. Written by Aida Haughton MBE and New Vic Borderlines Director Sue Moffat, My Thousand Year Old Land is a story of the search for truth, justice and hope told through three generations of women. Based on survivor testimonies from the genocide and war crimes that took place in Bosnia and Herzegovina and featuring traditional folk songs and poetry, this play uses the words of real people to tell the stories of three women whose lives are changed forever by the deaths of their communities’ men, during the 1990s conflict in Bosnia and Herzegovina. www.newvictheatre.org.uk/productions/my-thousand-year-old-land-a-song-for-bih-3/ |
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Post by wannabee on Jun 22, 2023 18:44:25 GMT
Genuine question, was there this much migrant boat action 20, 30 years ago? I'd agree with a lot of the replies to your question A glib answer would be yes its being going on for 60,000+ years since Homo Erectus first decided to leave Africa and began to populate Europe At most barely 10% of Sub Saharan Migrants intend to move to Europe most move to a neighbouring Country Surprisingly Education is one of the main factors. By that I mean those that attempt to get Boats are generally more highly educated than those that move to a neighbouring Country. The frustration is that Education without opportunity. Nigeria is a classic example. Another pull factor to a particular country is undoubtedly having a relative or friend in that country It is also true to say that since 2010 the numbers have increased about threefold most likely as others have said via easier communication and exchange of information There are just some general observations as Cville said its a very complex multilayered issue |
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Post by OldStokie on Jun 22, 2023 19:31:36 GMT
Mankind is on a downward spiral. What we're seeing now will be dwarfed by what is to come. Some will say that the rich developed nations will have to spend trillions to boost the countries that are going to be feel the worst of climate change so that they don't have to leave their home countries but there are so many despotic and corrupt regimes around the world that much of that money will be siphoned off to those who control the countries involved. There will be many wars over vital needs such as water as the glaciers melt and either the people from those countries flee or they die in their homelands. It's pretty much unsolvable and the rule of nature that says the fittest (and wealthiest) survive and the rest perish is true.
I won't be here to see it and neither will many of you, but it will happen. The planet is overpopulated by humans and it has to rebalance. I just pity most of the wildlife that will perish too. The deadliest virus on the planet is human beings. But even virus's adapt to not kill off the hosts they occupy so maybe mankind will learn to do the same.
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Post by wannabee on Jun 22, 2023 23:00:49 GMT
Mankind is on a downward spiral. What we're seeing now will be dwarfed by what is to come. Some will say that the rich developed nations will have to spend trillions to boost the countries that are going to be feel the worst of climate change so that they don't have to leave their home countries but there are so many despotic and corrupt regimes around the world that much of that money will be siphoned off to those who control the countries involved. There will be many wars over vital needs such as water as the glaciers melt and either the people from those countries flee or they die in their homelands. It's pretty much unsolvable and the rule of nature that says the fittest (and wealthiest) survive and the rest perish is true. I won't be here to see it and neither will many of you, but it will happen. The planet is overpopulated by humans and it has to rebalance. I just pity most of the wildlife that will perish too. The deadliest virus on the planet is human beings. But even virus's adapt to not kill off the hosts they occupy so maybe mankind will learn to do the same. OS. Besides agreeing with your post I was annoyed I got distracted and didn't include family size as a limiter to increased financial security and advancement as well as increased competition It's the plague of my old age The median family unit in Sub Saharan Africa is 5 which is exactly the same as UK in 19th Century It is now 2.4. In 1995 10 years into mobile phones 7% of UK had a mobile phone today more or less 100% Today 40% of the World has never heard any Telephone ring. The rapid advance in population, communication and expectation combined with a massive change in climate is a powder keg waiting to go off. Like you I won't be around to see it but I worry for my children and grandchildren Responses so far by Governments is similar to the little boy Peter sticking his finger in the Dike |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jun 22, 2023 23:41:50 GMT
Mankind is on a downward spiral. What we're seeing now will be dwarfed by what is to come. Some will say that the rich developed nations will have to spend trillions to boost the countries that are going to be feel the worst of climate change so that they don't have to leave their home countries but there are so many despotic and corrupt regimes around the world that much of that money will be siphoned off to those who control the countries involved. There will be many wars over vital needs such as water as the glaciers melt and either the people from those countries flee or they die in their homelands. It's pretty much unsolvable and the rule of nature that says the fittest (and wealthiest) survive and the rest perish is true. I won't be here to see it and neither will many of you, but it will happen. The planet is overpopulated by humans and it has to rebalance. I just pity most of the wildlife that will perish too. The deadliest virus on the planet is human beings. But even virus's adapt to not kill off the hosts they occupy so maybe mankind will learn to do the same. OS. You miserable git! 😘🤣 The problem is the third world War never happened* when all factors indicated it would/should have! *yet |
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Post by elystokie on Jun 23, 2023 9:29:10 GMT
Mankind is on a downward spiral. What we're seeing now will be dwarfed by what is to come. Some will say that the rich developed nations will have to spend trillions to boost the countries that are going to be feel the worst of climate change so that they don't have to leave their home countries but there are so many despotic and corrupt regimes around the world that much of that money will be siphoned off to those who control the countries involved. There will be many wars over vital needs such as water as the glaciers melt and either the people from those countries flee or they die in their homelands. It's pretty much unsolvable and the rule of nature that says the fittest (and wealthiest) survive and the rest perish is true. I won't be here to see it and neither will many of you, but it will happen. The planet is overpopulated by humans and it has to rebalance. I just pity most of the wildlife that will perish too. The deadliest virus on the planet is human beings. But even virus's adapt to not kill off the hosts they occupy so maybe mankind will learn to do the same. OS. We have a double whammy at the moment unfortunately regarding climate change. Firstly, we've outlawed the plant that takes more CO2 out of the atmosphere than pretty much any other, which wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the stone cold fact it also has 25,000 uses and can save many lives and cure many illnesses. That CO2 could reside in the cars we drive, the clothes we wear and the structures we build, all 3 of which would be FAR better quality and last far longer if made from hemp. That it currently doesn't is thanks to good old Reefer Madness, something that doesn't actually exist except in the minds of people suffering from prohibition psychosis. The second part is that, as explained by the undercover cop, a good number of governments, despite signing up to climate control measures, aren't in much of a position to implement them thanks to the overarching influence and financial backing of criminal drug cartels being more powerful than they are. Harry Anslinger was described as the most dangerous man ON the planet when he was alive, turns out he was also the most dangerous man TO the planet that's ever lived. Prohibition and it's supporters 1 - The planet and the rest of us 0 is the current scoreline. The narrative needed to change about 40/50 years ago when Jack Herer was incessantly banging on about it, it's probably too late now. |
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Post by wannabee on Jun 23, 2023 10:35:00 GMT
Old Harry was a "Strange Fruit" with many prejudices and peculiarities
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Post by elystokie on Jun 23, 2023 12:00:10 GMT
Old Harry was a "Strange Fruit" with many prejudices and peculiarities A very poignant film and obviously, in it's day, a nuclear bomb of a song. Quite ironically he's buried in a place called Hollidaysburg and towards the end of his life was being treated with the very substance he hounded Billie Holliday to her death over. I think it's clear he suffered from some sort of mental illness his whole life and it eventually got too much for him to effectively control. From his wiki - 'In his later years Anslinger also suffered a mental breakdown characterized by intense paranoia and irrational thoughts, such as believing that addiction was 'contagious' and addicts had to be 'quarantined' or talking about 'secret plots' throughout the world; he was eventually hospitalized because of this breakdown' |
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Post by Eggybread on Jun 23, 2023 12:45:36 GMT
Genuine question, was there this much migrant boat action 20, 30 years ago? There has been mass migrations throughout human history.In the past 20 -30 years there were not as many (boats) coming in our country but world migration was still happening just not on our doorstep. You can blame the Americans and the Iraq war predominantly for the mass migration happening on our shores now.The Arab/Muslim world hasn't been the same since,but they ignored the warnings.I believe it suits the Americans for Asia/Africa and Europe to be in such turmoil without a doubt. On top of climatic changes and economic foreign policies. |
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Post by Eggybread on Jun 23, 2023 12:49:41 GMT
Mankind is on a downward spiral. What we're seeing now will be dwarfed by what is to come. Some will say that the rich developed nations will have to spend trillions to boost the countries that are going to be feel the worst of climate change so that they don't have to leave their home countries but there are so many despotic and corrupt regimes around the world that much of that money will be siphoned off to those who control the countries involved. There will be many wars over vital needs such as water as the glaciers melt and either the people from those countries flee or they die in their homelands. It's pretty much unsolvable and the rule of nature that says the fittest (and wealthiest) survive and the rest perish is true. I won't be here to see it and neither will many of you, but it will happen. The planet is overpopulated by humans and it has to rebalance. I just pity most of the wildlife that will perish too. The deadliest virus on the planet is human beings. But even virus's adapt to not kill off the hosts they occupy so maybe mankind will learn to do the same. OS. We have a double whammy at the moment unfortunately regarding climate change. Firstly, we've outlawed the plant that takes more CO2 out of the atmosphere than pretty much any other, which wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the stone cold fact it also has 25,000 uses and can save many lives and cure many illnesses. That CO2 could reside in the cars we drive, the clothes we wear and the structures we build, all 3 of which would be FAR better quality and last far longer if made from hemp. That it currently doesn't is thanks to good old Reefer Madness, something that doesn't actually exist except in the minds of people suffering from prohibition psychosis. The second part is that, as explained by the undercover cop, a good number of governments, despite signing up to climate control measures, aren't in much of a position to implement them thanks to the overarching influence and financial backing of criminal drug cartels being more powerful than they are. Harry Anslinger was described as the most dangerous man ON the planet when he was alive, turns out he was also the most dangerous man TO the planet that's ever lived. Prohibition and it's supporters 1 - The planet and the rest of us 0 is the current scoreline. The narrative needed to change about 40/50 years ago when Jack Herer was incessantly banging on about it, it's probably too late now. "That it currently doesn't is thanks to good old Reefer Madness, something that doesn't actually exist except in the minds of people suffering from prohibition psychosis." Reefer Madness does exist  Ive seen the film and heeded the warnings.  |
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Post by elystokie on Jun 23, 2023 13:07:26 GMT
We have a double whammy at the moment unfortunately regarding climate change. Firstly, we've outlawed the plant that takes more CO2 out of the atmosphere than pretty much any other, which wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the stone cold fact it also has 25,000 uses and can save many lives and cure many illnesses. That CO2 could reside in the cars we drive, the clothes we wear and the structures we build, all 3 of which would be FAR better quality and last far longer if made from hemp. That it currently doesn't is thanks to good old Reefer Madness, something that doesn't actually exist except in the minds of people suffering from prohibition psychosis. The second part is that, as explained by the undercover cop, a good number of governments, despite signing up to climate control measures, aren't in much of a position to implement them thanks to the overarching influence and financial backing of criminal drug cartels being more powerful than they are. Harry Anslinger was described as the most dangerous man ON the planet when he was alive, turns out he was also the most dangerous man TO the planet that's ever lived. Prohibition and it's supporters 1 - The planet and the rest of us 0 is the current scoreline. The narrative needed to change about 40/50 years ago when Jack Herer was incessantly banging on about it, it's probably too late now. "That it currently doesn't is thanks to good old Reefer Madness, something that doesn't actually exist except in the minds of people suffering from prohibition psychosis." Reefer Madness does exist Ive seen the film and heeded the warnings. I believe there are some at the Daily Mail HQ that still think it was a documentary 🤦 |
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Post by marylandstoke on Jun 24, 2023 12:30:32 GMT
"That it currently doesn't is thanks to good old Reefer Madness, something that doesn't actually exist except in the minds of people suffering from prohibition psychosis." Reefer Madness does exist Ive seen the film and heeded the warnings. I believe there are some at the Daily Mail HQ that still think it was a documentary 🤦 There are even more at The ATF (and E) |
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Ive seen the film and heeded the warnings. 
