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Post by riverman on Jun 21, 2023 7:03:03 GMT
I've only just picked up on this story, and that was exactly my first thought........ I also had a similar thought. But I think the story is getting the attention it is in the UK, is because there are 3 British people on board. I might be wrong, but that’s my thought. It's also the perfect distraction to all the other shit that's going on.
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Post by Gods on Jun 21, 2023 7:05:25 GMT
It's a f*cking huge story, there are so many elements to it.
It literally gets down to what it says about the human race, the way we treat our sacred tombs, hope, despair, adventure, wealth, family, the very nature of death itself and its utterly gripping.
I don't wonder why the news channels are leading with it.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Jun 21, 2023 7:26:51 GMT
It's a f*cking huge story, there are so many elements to it. It literally gets down to what it says about the human race, the way we treat our sacred tombs, hope, despair, adventure, the very nature of death itself and its utterly gripping. I don't wonder why the news channels are leading with it. Indeed - like it or not in 2 years it's on at the cinema...
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Post by henry on Jun 21, 2023 7:46:11 GMT
Most threads end up getting political on here, usually by the same faces as seen in this thread. It is a tragic story that almost certainly won't end well. It's also perfectly acceptable to point out that this story has dominated the headlines for 2/3 days now while the UK continues to slide down the shitter. You also cannot disagree that people from certain backgrounds are treated differently than others by the media. Take the Shannon Matthews story v the McCanns and you see exactly what I mean. Then start a thread on the imbalance of media coverage 🙄
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 21, 2023 7:49:50 GMT
It is a tragic story that almost certainly won't end well. It's also perfectly acceptable to point out that this story has dominated the headlines for 2/3 days now while the UK continues to slide down the shitter. You also cannot disagree that people from certain backgrounds are treated differently than others by the media. Take the Shannon Matthews story v the McCanns and you see exactly what I mean. Then start a thread on the imbalance of media coverage 🙄 Irony klaxon....
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Post by flea79 on Jun 21, 2023 7:52:12 GMT
It's a f*cking huge story, there are so many elements to it. It literally gets down to what it says about the human race, the way we treat our sacred tombs, hope, despair, adventure, the very nature of death itself and its utterly gripping. I don't wonder why the news channels are leading with it. it could be one of those incredible ends too you just never know
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Post by starkiller on Jun 21, 2023 7:52:41 GMT
I've only just picked up on this story, and that was exactly my first thought........ I also had a similar thought. But I think the story is getting the attention it is in the UK, is because there are 3 British people on board. I might be wrong, but that’s my thought. I'm guessing if those people on the migrant boat were heading for Titanic, they would get equal coverage. Titanic is the news draw, here.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jun 21, 2023 7:55:07 GMT
"At the meeting Lochridge discovered why he had been denied access to the viewport information from the Engineering department—the viewport at the forward of the submersible was only built to a certified pressure of 1,300 meters, although OceanGate intended to take passengers down to depths of 4,000 meters. Lochridge learned that the viewport manufacturer would only certify to a depth of 1,300 meters due to experimental design of the viewport supplied by OceanGate, which was out of the Pressure Vessels for Human Occupancy (“PVHO”) standards. OceanGate refused to pay for the manufacturer to build a viewport that would meet the required depth of 4,000 meters. For reference, the Titanic is estimated to sit on the ocean floor at a depth of nearly 13,000 feet. Paying passengers wouldn’t know or be informed about Lochridge’s concerns, according to his complaints. They also wouldn’t be informed “that hazardous flammable materials were being used within the submersible.” Lochridge expressed concerns about the Titan again. But OceanGate didn’t address those concerns, and Lockridge was fired. The case between Lochridge and OceanGate didn’t advance much further, and a few months later the two parties settled." newrepublic.com/post/173802/missing-titanic-sub-faced-lawsuit-depths-safely-travel-oceangateI think this is entirely disingenuous to think a couple of adrenaline junkies, one a Billionaire, who were required to sign a waiver before the journey didn't understand the risks involved is poppycock I'm quite certain there will be all sorts of conspiracy theories and random people trying to make money out of this event in the days, weeks, years to come. I can't explain what compels people to push the boundaries of rational behaviour in ever more risky "adventures" Having too much money and no sense seems inadequate I wasn't implying otherwise. The article is quite clear in that they buried information and still took money. They might have totally understood the risks but, if the article is accurate, the company knew that not only had they not carried out adequate testing, but went out of their way to sack employees who raised concerns, then still took money. "Consent" on the part of the costumers does not alleviate that they neglected to fulfil their responsibility of care.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 21, 2023 7:59:17 GMT
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Post by Gods on Jun 21, 2023 8:04:08 GMT
It's a f*cking huge story, there are so many elements to it. It literally gets down to what it says about the human race, the way we treat our sacred tombs, hope, despair, adventure, the very nature of death itself and its utterly gripping. I don't wonder why the news channels are leading with it. Indeed - like it or not in 2 years it's on at the cinema... Yes, that's where its headed, what if there is a miracle and they can add in a happy ending...
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Post by Gods on Jun 21, 2023 8:04:56 GMT
It's a f*cking huge story, there are so many elements to it. It literally gets down to what it says about the human race, the way we treat our sacred tombs, hope, despair, adventure, the very nature of death itself and its utterly gripping. I don't wonder why the news channels are leading with it. it could be one of those incredible ends too you just never know Doh, I just added that before I read your post :-)
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Post by shakermaker on Jun 21, 2023 8:11:57 GMT
I think this is entirely disingenuous to think a couple of adrenaline junkies, one a Billionaire, who were required to sign a waiver before the journey didn't understand the risks involved is poppycock I'm quite certain there will be all sorts of conspiracy theories and random people trying to make money out of this event in the days, weeks, years to come. I can't explain what compels people to push the boundaries of rational behaviour in ever more risky "adventures" Having too much money and no sense seems inadequate I wasn't implying otherwise. The article is quite clear in that they buried information and still took money. They might have totally understood the risks but, if the article is accurate, the company knew that not only had they not carried out adequate testing, but went out of their way to sack employees who raised concerns, then still took money. "Consent" on the part of the costumers does not alleviate that they neglected to fulfil their responsibility of care. Whatever happens, Stockton Rush and the OceanGate company are now surely finished. Should there be a miracle and they all survive, Rush will be facing a massive lawsuit and possible jail time.
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Post by flea79 on Jun 21, 2023 8:27:01 GMT
it could be one of those incredible ends too you just never know Doh, I just added that before I read your post :-) imagine the scenes as international rescue finally surface and save the day!
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Post by stiggerstackle on Jun 21, 2023 8:31:10 GMT
Indeed - like it or not in 2 years it's on at the cinema... Yes, that's where its headed, what if there is a miracle and they can add in a happy ending... Casting agents on the phone to Tom Hanks as we speak...
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 21, 2023 8:31:26 GMT
Hard to imagine how terrifying it must be for them, knowing they are so close to am inevitable death. The total panic, fear and ultimate acceptance of death via lack of oxygen must be too unbearable to imagine.
What I'm confused about with these tourist Submarines is do they not drop you in the ocean right above the Titanic or do they leave you some miles out to find it?
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Post by stiggerstackle on Jun 21, 2023 8:38:47 GMT
Hard to imagine how terrifying it must be for them, knowing they are so close to am inevitable death. The total panic, fear and ultimate acceptance of death via lack of oxygen must be too unbearable to imagine. What I'm confused about with these tourist Submarines is do they not drop you in the ocean right above the Titanic or do they leave you some miles out to find it? I was reading that they drop you right above, but then you are at the mercy of underwater currents (at multiple levels) in the ocean that can drag you miles and miles off course - apparently their guidance / propellence system is operated via an X-box controller?!? Madness.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 21, 2023 8:43:28 GMT
Hard to imagine how terrifying it must be for them, knowing they are so close to am inevitable death. The total panic, fear and ultimate acceptance of death via lack of oxygen must be too unbearable to imagine. What I'm confused about with these tourist Submarines is do they not drop you in the ocean right above the Titanic or do they leave you some miles out to find it? I was reading that they drop you right above, but then you are at the mercy of underwater currents (at multiple levels) in the ocean that can drag you miles and miles off course - apparently their guidance / propellence system is operated via an X-box controller?!? Madness. That's bonkers isn't it! One thing when you're inexperienced in a sub in comparatively shallow waters but 4000 metres with an xbox controller?! Death trap.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jun 21, 2023 9:11:16 GMT
I think this is entirely disingenuous to think a couple of adrenaline junkies, one a Billionaire, who were required to sign a waiver before the journey didn't understand the risks involved is poppycock I'm quite certain there will be all sorts of conspiracy theories and random people trying to make money out of this event in the days, weeks, years to come. I can't explain what compels people to push the boundaries of rational behaviour in ever more risky "adventures" Having too much money and no sense seems inadequate I wasn't implying otherwise. The article is quite clear in that they buried information and still took money. They might have totally understood the risks but, if the article is accurate, the company knew that not only had they not carried out adequate testing, but went out of their way to sack employees who raised concerns, then still took money. "Consent" on the part of the costumers does not alleviate that they neglected to fulfil their responsibility of care. I read another article on Al Jazeera News website that said Lochridge also questioned the companies flaw detection techniques using ultrasound looking for minute cracks in the carbon fibre hull. I know enough about NDT to understand that ultra sound isn’t infallible in flaw detection. Industrial radiology is by far the best but much more expensive.
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Post by shakermaker on Jun 21, 2023 9:25:58 GMT
Less than 24 hours of oxygen left now. Let's hope these banging sounds are the people trapped in the capsule and that it's not on the seabed.
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Post by felonious on Jun 21, 2023 9:54:25 GMT
I wasn't implying otherwise. The article is quite clear in that they buried information and still took money. They might have totally understood the risks but, if the article is accurate, the company knew that not only had they not carried out adequate testing, but went out of their way to sack employees who raised concerns, then still took money. "Consent" on the part of the costumers does not alleviate that they neglected to fulfil their responsibility of care. I read another article on Al Jazeera News website that said Lochridge also questioned the companies flaw detection techniques using ultrasound looking for minute cracks in the carbon fibre hull. I know enough about NDT to understand that ultra sound isn’t infallible in flaw detection. Industrial radiology is by far the best but much more expensive. From the BBC this morning. A submarine expert who worked for OceanGate – the company that operates the missing submersible – warned of potential safety problems in 2018, according to US court documents. David Lochridge moved from Scotland to Washington state to work for the firm. In a BBC interview in 2017 he enthused about the mission and said it was "destined for the sea". But less than a year later he warned his bosses that flaws in the Titan's carbon hull might go undetected without more stringent testing, and urged the company to have an outside agency certify the vessel. He said his verbal warnings were ignored until he wrote a report and was called into a meeting with several officials - including OceanGate chief executive Stockton Rush, who is aboard the missing submersible. OceanGate responded by firing Lochridge. The company sued him for revealing confidential information, and the submarine expert countersued for unfair dismissal. The lawsuit was later settled. Through his lawyer, Lochridge declined to comment. Court documents also state that Lochridge learned that the manufacturers of the Titan’s forward viewport only certified it to a depth of 1,300 metres. The Titanic wreck lies 3,800 metres below the ocean surface.
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Post by elystokie on Jun 21, 2023 10:04:39 GMT
In the Navy they paid quite a premium to anyone in the submarine service, forget the figures but it was a good whack, particularly for the nuclear qualified engineers. Submariners used to throw coins on the floor in bars in Gib just to try to wind up us 'skimmers', to be fair it worked quite often 😜 They could have offered me quadruple the money and it wouldn't have been enough to persuade me to volunteer, I had mates that got sent to the submarine service without volunteering and they left the RN as soon as they could. We were on holiday in Mauritius and booked a sub marine trip and in all honesty, it was one of the best things I've ever done. There was me, the missus, two kids and the pilot (a fantastically funny South African) sat in this vessel with a 180 degrees, floor to ceiling windscreen, that looked like something out of a James Bond movie. We went right down to the sea bed and saw some absolutely phenomenal sea life, as well as darting in out of the hulls of ship wrecks and following deep sea tunnels, it was utterly gobsmacking. And at no time did it even cross our minds (possibly naively) that we might be in danger and I would certainly have highly recommended doing it to anybody. The missus just said to me ... that poor business in Maritius, I bet they're about to go out of business! We went on some sort of submarine thing with the kids at Disney years ago, that was quite fun, I'd probably be happy enough to go on the one you describe. I've been on 3 military subs, HMS Alliance (an old RN diesel sub) in Gosport, U-boat 434 in Hamburg, both museums now obviously. The other one was a nuclear sub in Plymouth that a mate was serving on, I went on for a couple of pints, of the 3 obviously the nuke was a far more comfortable proposition, the other two were horrific (the U-boat worse by some margin) but I've never been comfortable with the notion of being just a few yards away from a nuclear reactor, in a big tin can, underwater, for 6-12 weeks at a stretch. A shift team leader at the last power station I worked at spent his whole career on nukes, he was always bemoaning the fact that his foreign visits whilst in the RN were only a fraction of the places us 'skimmers' went to. He also developed bowel and then lung cancer, survived both thankfully, I'm not convinced there's no connection between that and his service and I don't expect to see a study anytime soon if I'm honest. There's a U-boat in Birkenhead of all places, worth a trip if you're in Liverpool, used to get free tickets when you bought a ferry ticket don't know if it's still the same. howtofixauboat.com/
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Post by flea79 on Jun 21, 2023 10:39:27 GMT
simpsons sort of predicted this! (for those who dont know of this phenomena google it)
former simpsons showrunner Mike Reiss went on this sub last year and visited the titanic
his last episode of the simpsons that he produced was Simpson Tide where homer and his pals got stuck on a damaged sub at the bottom of the sea!
another weird weird one
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 21, 2023 11:42:15 GMT
It’s kind of amazing how much coverage this story has got. A group of rich people decided to take a big risk and now can’t be found. It’s sad for them and I feel sorry for their families but if it were a group of working class people, this may not even make one of their local papers. So your belief is that the reason the media and the public find this story particularly compelling is that the people involved are rich? No other possible reasons or nuances, just poor people don’t matter, rich people do? That’s how people generally feel? I’m using the same kind of reasoning as is used (and has been shown to be true) about which kidnapped children stories are picked up and carried on in the media. If the kid is photogenic and/or from a wealthy family, they get more air time. Here, a bunch of wealthy people did something stupid and it’s EVERYWHERE all day.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2023 12:29:52 GMT
I don’t disagree with many of the general political observations being made, and I don’t disagree that the media use certain stories as distraction techniques (government decision to officially acknowledge UFOs in recent years makes me cynical about “why now?”) …..
but jesus cunting christ do you fuckers ever take a day off? It’s staggering how many threads become politicised. It doesn’t matter the disparity between the peg and the hole, if it’s at all possible then this forum will find a way to jam it in there…(and the same applies to political points from the other side)
Honestly, I think this is a huge story simply because it’s morbidly fascinating. It’s a disaster and horror flick playing out in real time. It’s the perfect story for modern 24hr news cycles. Occam’s Razor. Media organisations are businesses and they’re responding to clicks.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 21, 2023 12:38:09 GMT
Someone at Netflix is already well on their way to making a documentary.
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Post by Eggybread on Jun 21, 2023 12:41:08 GMT
One of my favorite songs by my avatar is about midget submarines but Ill leave it there.
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Post by salopstick on Jun 21, 2023 12:42:26 GMT
I don’t disagree with many of the general political observations being made, and I don’t disagree that the media use certain stories as distraction techniques (government decision to officially acknowledge UFOs in recent years makes me cynical about “why now?”) ….. but jesus cunting christ do you fuckers ever take a day off? It’s staggering how many threads become politicised. It doesn’t matter the disparity between the peg and the hole, if it’s at all possible then this forum will find a way to jam it in there…(and the same applies to political points from the other side) Honestly, I think this is a huge story simply because it’s morbidly fascinating. It’s a disaster and horror flick playing out in real time. It’s the perfect story for modern 24hr news cycles. Occam’s Razor. Media organisations are businesses and they’re responding to clicks. plus even now after all these years the titanic disaster, all the plots, sub plots etc makes for fascinating reading. You can spend hours on the wikipedia rabbit hole reading more and more. Its a huge story
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Post by OldStokie on Jun 21, 2023 12:50:17 GMT
Hard to imagine how terrifying it must be for them, knowing they are so close to am inevitable death. The total panic, fear and ultimate acceptance of death via lack of oxygen must be too unbearable to imagine. What I'm confused about with these tourist Submarines is do they not drop you in the ocean right above the Titanic or do they leave you some miles out to find it? If they've panicked they'll be dead by now. I know it's difficult - massively so - but they need to have rested as much as they can and slept for as long as they can. When you're asleep you only use half the oxygen as when you're doing stuff. I know they're all rich folk but my heart goes out to them. They'll be experiencing the same things that many of the submariners suffered from during WW2. It's horrible. OS.
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 21, 2023 12:57:52 GMT
So your belief is that the reason the media and the public find this story particularly compelling is that the people involved are rich? No other possible reasons or nuances, just poor people don’t matter, rich people do? That’s how people generally feel? I’m using the same kind of reasoning as is used (and has been shown to be true) about which kidnapped children stories are picked up and carried on in the media. If the kid is photogenic and/or from a wealthy family, they get more air time. Here, a bunch of wealthy people did something stupid and it’s EVERYWHERE all day. Do you, by any chance, remember the story about the trapped Chilean miners 15 or so years ago? Live coverage dominated every major news outlet in the world for hours and days on end. They were 33 dirt-poor workers from cursed little South American towns that nobody had ever heard of. (subsequently portrayed by Antonio Banderas and the like in Hollywood movies) What makes a story particularly captivating is… the story. Not the bank balances or social status of the unfortunate wretches involved.
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Post by felonious on Jun 21, 2023 13:07:49 GMT
I’m using the same kind of reasoning as is used (and has been shown to be true) about which kidnapped children stories are picked up and carried on in the media. If the kid is photogenic and/or from a wealthy family, they get more air time. Here, a bunch of wealthy people did something stupid and it’s EVERYWHERE all day. Do you, by any chance, remember the story about the trapped Chilean miners 15 or so years ago? Live coverage dominated every major news outlet in the world for hours and days on end. They were 33 dirt-poor workers from cursed little South American towns that nobody had ever heard of. (subsequently portrayed by Antonio Banderas and the like in Hollywood movies) What makes a story particularly captivating is… the story. Not the bank balances or social status of the unfortunate wretches involved. Hang the rich
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