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Post by Marc01 on Jun 17, 2023 8:14:56 GMT
Just stumbled on this article: www.mancity.com/features/lmydebut-trevorfrancis/Didn’t realise that it was not just in December 1988 that Man City brought so many to The Vic. Were they housed in Stoke End and Butler Street like in 88? Wonder if those two games are the biggest away ever followings at Stoke? |
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Post by roylandstoke on Jun 17, 2023 8:29:22 GMT
Was at the game and remember Francis being very good. There was a large Man City following but I don’t recall it being half the ground as suggested in the article.
Memory can be quite selective I suppose.
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Post by kevkj on Jun 17, 2023 8:30:16 GMT
Just thinking about large followings in the 70s at Stoke..
Sunderland in cup and again first game of season brought hordes .
Villa massive following 70s and again 80s year they won the league .
Obviously the two Manchester clubs.
As regards exact numbers someone else might know .
All over 7000 I would think.
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Post by Marc01 on Jun 17, 2023 8:31:13 GMT
Was at the game and remember Francis being very good. There was a large Man City following but I don’t recall it being half the ground as suggested in the article. Memory can be quite selective I suppose. Maybe they are getting their 81 & 88 wires crossed! 🙂 |
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Post by hinckpotter on Jun 17, 2023 8:35:01 GMT
Got a real dislike of Trevor, his commentary on Stoke was so bias it was unreal.
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Post by Marc01 on Jun 17, 2023 8:42:48 GMT
Got a real dislike of Trevor, his commentary on Stoke was so bias it was unreal. Yes, remember hearing clips in the PL days. Didn’t he incur the wrath of Stoke fans at Villa after commentary (in the 2-2 draw 08/09)? Chants of: “One Trevor Francis” 🤭 |
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Post by smokeyjoe on Jun 17, 2023 8:50:16 GMT
Always seemed to be injured in his Birmingham days against Stoke. He hated playing against Denis Smith 😆
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Post by mistergumby on Jun 17, 2023 8:56:22 GMT
Got a real dislike of Trevor, his commentary on Stoke was so bias it was unreal. Trevor was (and probably remains) a weapons grade throbber. Not quite in the same league as Chris 'Go back to your council house' Sutton, but getting there. I bought Trev's autobiography for 20p from a Leek Library clearout back in the day, in which he bracketed himself with the all time greats of the game and not only that, devoted a whole chapter to a microscopic critique of the music of the Electric Light Orchestra for some reason known only to himself. The sort of book where, once you put it down, you can't pick it up again. Again, not in same league as Tim Lovejoy's classic tome www.wsc.co.uk/the-archive/no-love-no-joy/ but getting there. |
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Post by Scouse on Jun 17, 2023 9:21:25 GMT
Just stumbled on this article: www.mancity.com/features/lmydebut-trevorfrancis/Didn’t realise that it was not just in December 1988 that Man City brought so many to The Vic. Were they housed in Stoke End and Butler Street like in 88? Wonder if those two games are the biggest away ever followings at Stoke? I remember them having decent numbers , but not 10-12000 Liverpool ( Easter game ) , the shit , Sunderland ( Cup ) and Villa are some of the truly huge away turnouts I remember .. others Man City and Everton included tended to be large as a percentage of the gate but not 5 figures looking back it’d be interesting if anyone can remember 48/9 ..in the FA cup we played Blackpool ( estimated attendance 45,000 ) and particularly Hull , before the game we were expected to break our attendance record of 51k ( in the end I’ve seen various attendances from 46700 - 48000+ ) ..official Arsenal still stands , but was Hull game swelled by large numbers from Hull or did less come than expected or a lockout ( always feel it’s important as the years go by and the club has such low regard to our own history that older fans help fill in the holes before it’s to late ) |
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Post by durbanscircus on Jun 17, 2023 10:04:41 GMT
Just thinking about large followings in the 70s at Stoke.. Sunderland in cup and again first game of season brought hordes . Villa massive following 70s and again 80s year they won the league . Obviously the two Manchester clubs. As regards exact numbers someone else might know . All over 7000 I would think. Man City only had the Stoke End for the Francis debut- the terrace was over full though and they had most of the seats- 8,000 I would guess- very similar to their following when we beat them 4-0 in 75 Sunderland in the Cup estimate 10,000 and the league 7,000 Villa I recall it being reported at 11,000 for the first game, I would say closer to 7,000 for the second Manchester United usually good for close to 10,000 apart from the sorry looking 5,000 when we effectively put them down and they set fire to their clothes in protest Biggest I saw was the game against Liverpool in 75 when the attendance was 47,000, there was only to or three thousand Stoke on the 15,000 capacity Stoke End Terrace and they were scattered through out the Butler Street seats and terrace- 15.000? |
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Post by thevoid on Jun 17, 2023 10:12:52 GMT
Trevor Francis is a twat
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Post by pushon on Jun 17, 2023 12:10:22 GMT
Always seemed to be injured in his Birmingham days against Stoke. He hated playing against Denis Smith 😆 I'm not so sure, I seem to remember seeing Francis play at the Victoria in a night game and he was brilliant and ran Stoke ragged. He could have caught pigeons. I've no idea if Dennis played or what the score was, but he was mightily impressive and still a teenager of course. |
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Jun 17, 2023 12:59:30 GMT
Always came across as being very anti Stoke on any commentary going & my own personal opinion is that Clever Trevor still is a complete & utter throb
Up there with another such great in that era as Tony Butler off Radio WM
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Post by J-Roar on Jun 17, 2023 13:40:20 GMT
How many did Everton bring during Holocaust season? They won the title that year I think and can remember they were all over the ground.
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Post by lordb on Jun 17, 2023 13:43:20 GMT
How many did Everton bring during Holocaust season? They won the title that year I think and can remember they were all over the ground. More than Man City did Had all of Stoke End and Butler St and a good portion of the main stand |
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Post by jestershat on Jun 17, 2023 15:12:47 GMT
The match in '75 that Durbanscircus refers to above.....is that the match where the Man City fans ran the length of the pitch towards the Boothen End, realised their mistake, and then buggered off back to the Stoke End with their tails between their legs?
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Post by marwood on Jun 17, 2023 16:30:58 GMT
agree on the anti-Stoke commentary
I remember one of those Central TV live matches on Sunday afternoon with Saint and or Greavsie in the 1990s, he was co-commentating on an early Stoke appearance of Mark Stein.
Mark had a slight mis-hit or something, Trevor opined that he would never make it at this level as he had consigned him to QPR reserves when he managed them.
As others have said, weapons grade Throbber
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Post by Scouse on Jun 17, 2023 16:36:25 GMT
The match in '75 that Durbanscircus refers to above.....is that the match where the Man City fans ran the length of the pitch towards the Boothen End, realised their mistake, and then buggered off back to the Stoke End with their tails between their Man C 76/7 going for the league ( unsuccessfully) us heading for relegation ( successfully ) From memory , having legged across the pitch before KO they stopped on the edge of the 18 yard box ..as many on the Boothen moved forward , they turned and ran Everton 84/5 ..going for the league ( successfully ) us heading for relegation ( successfully ) did indeed bring big numbers that day |
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Jun 17, 2023 16:38:02 GMT
agree on the anti-Stoke commentary I remember one of those Central TV live matches on Sunday afternoon with Saint and or Greavsie in the 1990s, he was co-commentating on an early Stoke appearance of Mark Stein. Mark had a slight mis-hit or something, Trevor opined that he would never make it at this level as he had consigned him to QPR reserves when he managed them. As others have said, weapons grade Throbber Forest vs Stoke 93/94 (which is on Youtube) has only 2 mins or so of coverage, worth it for the Steino 3rd goal. Trev doesn't say a lot after that! |
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Post by lordb on Jun 17, 2023 17:43:31 GMT
Class footballer
Very dull man
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Post by hamsta2 on Jun 17, 2023 19:48:49 GMT
I was there. God I feel old
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Post by J-Roar on Jun 17, 2023 22:15:00 GMT
His assistant when he was Wednesday manager was Richie Barker.
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Post by Gods on Jun 17, 2023 22:20:42 GMT
Just thinking about large followings in the 70s at Stoke.. Sunderland in cup and again first game of season brought hordes . Villa massive following 70s and again 80s year they won the league . Obviously the two Manchester clubs. As regards exact numbers someone else might know . All over 7000 I would think. Good shouts above, I'm fully aligned with this! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2023 23:46:27 GMT
Class footballer Very dull man How good was he? He played in a period where England were wank, always wondered how good he actually was? |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 17, 2023 23:58:30 GMT
Class footballer Very dull man How good was he? He played in a period where England were wank, always wondered how good he actually was? Above average but certainly not great. Never understood the love in for him TBH. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2023 0:05:12 GMT
How good was he? He played in a period where England were wank, always wondered how good he actually was? Above average but certainly not great. Never understood the love in for him TBH. First million pound player.... Were there better players about? I reckon there was. |
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Post by crowey on Jun 18, 2023 0:37:56 GMT
….. love the Cloughie quote after Francis had signed for Citeh and was taking shots v Shilton after his last training session with Forest. “Oi Francis, go & find your own keeper to take shots at. He’s mine!”
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Post by Dutchpeter on Jun 18, 2023 7:57:51 GMT
How many did Everton bring during Holocaust season? They won the title that year I think and can remember they were all over the ground. More than Man City did Had all of Stoke End and Butler St and a good portion of the main stand Yes, I think the only time Stoke may have been genuinely outnumbered at home. |
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Post by Gods on Jun 18, 2023 8:42:24 GMT
How many did Everton bring during Holocaust season? They won the title that year I think and can remember they were all over the ground. Liverpool win the title in our holocaust season and Everton finished 7th. They were getting on a roll though, won the title the following season. We played them twice in our holocaust season and they swamped the Vic both times. By the way the gate for the league game on 14 Jan was only 7,935!!! 16,462 for the FA Cup game Funny looking back, felt like we were under siege, for both games. |
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Post by Dutchpeter on Jun 18, 2023 8:45:30 GMT
How many did Everton bring during Holocaust season? They won the title that year I think and can remember they were all over the ground. Liverpool win the title in our holocaust season and Everton finished 7th. They were getting on a role though, won the title the following season. We played them twice in our holocaust season and they swamped the Vic both times. By the way the gate for the league game on 14 Jan was only 7,935!!! 16,462 for the FA Cup game We played them twice in the 83-84 season, one week apart. The swamping of the Victoria Ground by their fans was the season after. |
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