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Post by canadianmoose on Jun 11, 2023 12:35:33 GMT
In all areas of the club He even does meetings with security, reception staff etc demanding the highest standards. www.bbc.com/sport/football/65832657Of course the money is there but you can’t deny the man is supremely motivated about what he does. I hope Alex Neil is trying to do something similar with our reset opportunity albeit on a smaller scale….. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 11, 2023 12:48:55 GMT
The number of staff on the pitch was mind boggling another triumph of his management skills to get then joined up like that , slight issue for Alex is there is only him and tricky left
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Post by onlyonesirstan on Jun 11, 2023 12:57:35 GMT
Brilliant manager. Hated Fergie, hate Klopp, Howe and a few others, but Pep is very likeable
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Post by stokie1947 on Jun 11, 2023 13:06:52 GMT
see the owner managed to watch WOW!!!!!!
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Post by skip on Jun 11, 2023 13:10:03 GMT
The number of staff on the pitch was mind boggling Precisely my thoughts at the end of the game. Like, how many off-field staff do they have?! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2023 13:24:13 GMT
He is obviously a very good manager and he has proved this again and again and again at Barcelona, Bayern Munich and man city.
Nobody flukes success , followed by success , followed by success in football.
But he has massive resources to hand and someone from man city, man utd, Newcastle and Chelsea was always going to come out on top .
In very different circumstances, the success of Nathan Jones and Rob Edwards at Luton town is just as dazzling, given they were relying solely on good judgement, playing smart and working hard as a team, with no financial advantage over anybody in their league at all .
Pep is a top quality manager but I would love some one to come along like Brian Clough ( notts forest ) or Claudia ranieri ( Leicester) and upset the big boys , Luton style, through good judgement, great teamwork and smart play with out any financial advantage at all.
That would be truly impressive.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 11, 2023 13:48:54 GMT
I hope he goes away now and tries to do the same with PSG.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 11, 2023 13:56:40 GMT
Best way to be, Pulis was the same:
"I became a little bit obsessive with the club the longer I went on. I remember when the training ground had just been built and I was up at 6am and I was on the running machine and we’d got about 14 groundsmen, having started with one.
“You know what groundsmen are like, they were all together, herded together in a little huddle. It had just got light and they were having a chat, there was nothing wrong with the pitch but they’re forking it and then there’s all the grass around the outside of the training ground and fence that was long. I was thinking they’d taken their foot off the pedal.
“I get off the machine and ring Peter up and I said, ‘The club’s gone!’ He asked what I was on about and I said, ‘You’ve got about a million groundsmen and they’re not keeping it the way that two groundsmen kept it and once that starts coming into it all of a sudden that’ll drop off and that’ll drop off…’
“He said, ‘Steady down, I’ll come down and see you.’ He put the phone down and he came down and saw me and we walked around and I showed him what I was talking about and he said, ‘Tony, you’re getting obsessive, you’ve got to realise that.’
“I was saying it wasn’t obsessive, that people needed to do their jobs and realise this football club was paying them and we are what we are because people do their jobs and they do it properly and they have respect for doing it properly."
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 11, 2023 14:16:21 GMT
Best way to be, Pulis was the same: "I became a little bit obsessive with the club the longer I went on. I remember when the training ground had just been built and I was up at 6am and I was on the running machine and we’d got about 14 groundsmen, having started with one. “You know what groundsmen are like, they were all together, herded together in a little huddle. It had just got light and they were having a chat, there was nothing wrong with the pitch but they’re forking it and then there’s all the grass around the outside of the training ground and fence that was long. I was thinking they’d taken their foot off the pedal. “I get off the machine and ring Peter up and I said, ‘The club’s gone!’ He asked what I was on about and I said, ‘You’ve got about a million groundsmen and they’re not keeping it the way that two groundsmen kept it and once that starts coming into it all of a sudden that’ll drop off and that’ll drop off…’ “He said, ‘Steady down, I’ll come down and see you.’ He put the phone down and he came down and saw me and we walked around and I showed him what I was talking about and he said, ‘Tony, you’re getting obsessive, you’ve got to realise that.’ “I was saying it wasn’t obsessive, that people needed to do their jobs and realise this football club was paying them and we are what we are because people do their jobs and they do it properly and they have respect for doing it properly." That doesn’t sound like a great way to prove a point to be honest. That he was overly obsessed and complaining about things that he probably hadn’t the faintest idea about how to solve. There is definitely such a thing as spreading yourself too thin. I’m sure that Pep probably does get close to that, but it helps that he has the best of the best in every section of that business. They know their jobs. He can meet with security but he’s not going to improve their methods, is he? |
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Post by anchorman on Jun 11, 2023 14:20:04 GMT
It's all about standards. Being obsessed can be both a negative and a positive!
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Post by march4 on Jun 11, 2023 14:26:16 GMT
In all areas of the club He even does meetings with security, reception staff etc demanding the highest standards. www.bbc.com/sport/football/65832657Of course the money is there but you can’t deny the man is supremely motivated about what he does. I hope Alex Neil is trying to do something similar with our reset opportunity albeit on a smaller scale….. He is a proper leader. All organisations need one and only one leader. |
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Post by flea79 on Jun 11, 2023 14:57:07 GMT
He has built a team around him but I bet a lot of those staff were from the club shops and ticket offices and general back room support staff, I bet our staff is quite large if we count all of those guys too?
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 11, 2023 16:14:58 GMT
The number of staff on the pitch was mind boggling Precisely my thoughts at the end of the game. Like, how many off-field staff do they have?! as many as they want with their budget. |
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Post by Gods on Jun 11, 2023 16:29:29 GMT
Pep and Tony are lovely warm people.
Not sure you'd want the shiny topped, somewhat unhinged AN rocking up when you were trying to work.
And if his pal mad Ricky appeared you'd just naturally assume you were about to get sacked 😆
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Post by flash on Jun 11, 2023 22:27:26 GMT
I am sure thet Tony enjoyed Inter's Catenaccio last night and that Pep did not
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 11, 2023 22:38:15 GMT
Brilliant manager. Hated Fergie, hate Klopp, Howe and a few others, but Pep is very likeable Do you not remember those interviews he gave when he first came here, when he wasn't winning, couldnt take any sort of criticism and acted like a total bell end ? You think he's likeable because things are going his way, I'd suggest if he was put under any sort of pressure again for not delivering you'd see the bell end side of him again. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 11, 2023 23:01:28 GMT
He is obviously a very good manager and he has proved this again and again and again at Barcelona, Bayern Munich and man city. Nobody flukes success , followed by success , followed by success in football. But he has massive resources to hand and someone from man city, man utd, Newcastle and Chelsea was always going to come out on top . In very different circumstances, the success of Nathan Jones and Rob Edwards at Luton town is just as dazzling, given they were relying solely on good judgement, playing smart and working hard as a team, with no financial advantage over anybody in their league at all . Pep is a top quality manager but I would love some one to come along like Brian Clough ( notts forest ) or Claudia ranieri ( Leicester) and upset the big boys , Luton style, through good judgement, great teamwork and smart play with out any financial advantage at all. That would be truly impressive. I'd also like see someone come through the pack and disrupt the traditional victors. But plenty of supporters prefer it like this. |
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Post by apb1 on Jun 12, 2023 6:35:44 GMT
My eldest lad works for 'City Group' the holding company in charge of Man City and the umpteen other clubs they own or 'partner with'. All the staff who wanted got flown out to the final, hotel, tickets to the game, the lot. Nice. I did hint at some payback for all the times I dragged him to Luton, Colchester, etc. to watch Stoke. He just laughed, a hollow, mirthless laugh.
Oh and now I feel miffed that Pep has never popped into his office! What's he doing wrong.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jun 12, 2023 6:48:53 GMT
He is obviously a very good manager and he has proved this again and again and again at Barcelona, Bayern Munich and man city. Nobody flukes success , followed by success , followed by success in football. But he has massive resources to hand and someone from man city, man utd, Newcastle and Chelsea was always going to come out on top . In very different circumstances, the success of Nathan Jones and Rob Edwards at Luton town is just as dazzling, given they were relying solely on good judgement, playing smart and working hard as a team, with no financial advantage over anybody in their league at all . Pep is a top quality manager but I would love some one to come along like Brian Clough ( notts forest ) or Claudia ranieri ( Leicester) and upset the big boys , Luton style, through good judgement, great teamwork and smart play with out any financial advantage at all. That would be truly impressive. Most if not all recent successful managers have massive financial resources behind them. Wonder how these managers would fair at unfashionable clubs in lower leagues. Luton have achieved wonders over the last few years but the Premier League is a level I doubt they will survive in for long. |
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 12, 2023 6:52:24 GMT
He is obviously a very good manager and he has proved this again and again and again at Barcelona, Bayern Munich and man city. Nobody flukes success , followed by success , followed by success in football. But he has massive resources to hand and someone from man city, man utd, Newcastle and Chelsea was always going to come out on top . In very different circumstances, the success of Nathan Jones and Rob Edwards at Luton town is just as dazzling, given they were relying solely on good judgement, playing smart and working hard as a team, with no financial advantage over anybody in their league at all . Pep is a top quality manager but I would love some one to come along like Brian Clough ( notts forest ) or Claudia ranieri ( Leicester) and upset the big boys , Luton style, through good judgement, great teamwork and smart play with out any financial advantage at all. That would be truly impressive. He works as hard as any manager, has amazing judgement, and his teams play smart. Just because you have more resource doesn't mean it comes easy, it doesn't. I mean, Nathan Jones????? He had more resource at Stoke and Southampton and basically shit the bed. Clough had resource at Forest... first million pound player. Successful teams spend money, always have. |
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Post by scfc75 on Jun 12, 2023 6:52:44 GMT
He is obviously a very good manager and he has proved this again and again and again at Barcelona, Bayern Munich and man city. Nobody flukes success , followed by success , followed by success in football. But he has massive resources to hand and someone from man city, man utd, Newcastle and Chelsea was always going to come out on top . In very different circumstances, the success of Nathan Jones and Rob Edwards at Luton town is just as dazzling, given they were relying solely on good judgement, playing smart and working hard as a team, with no financial advantage over anybody in their league at all . Pep is a top quality manager but I would love some one to come along like Brian Clough ( notts forest ) or Claudia ranieri ( Leicester) and upset the big boys , Luton style, through good judgement, great teamwork and smart play with out any financial advantage at all. That would be truly impressive. Most if not all recent successful managers have massive financial resources behind them. Wonder how these managers would fair at unfashionable clubs in lower leagues. Luton have achieved wonders over the last few years but the Premier League is a level I doubt they will survive in for long. This is what I’d love to see. A true test of a managers ability - Pep to go to somebody like Burton or Fleetwood, with no money to spend, having to truly wheel and deal and to get the best out of a limited group of players. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 12, 2023 7:16:06 GMT
Good insight into a giant of modern football. BUT when things aren't going well the same methods will be dismissed as the actions of a control freak.
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Post by iglugluk on Jun 12, 2023 7:54:39 GMT
Pep and Tony are lovely warm people. Not sure you'd want the shiny topped, somewhat unhinged AN rocking up when you were trying to work. And if his pal mad Ricky appeared you'd just naturally assume you were about to get sacked 😆 I'd be highly surprised if any successful football club manager, particularly one as successful as Guardiola, is lovely and warm. I suspect he is considerably more complicated in his approach than that. |
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 12, 2023 7:54:44 GMT
Most if not all recent successful managers have massive financial resources behind them. Wonder how these managers would fair at unfashionable clubs in lower leagues. Luton have achieved wonders over the last few years but the Premier League is a level I doubt they will survive in for long. This is what I’d love to see. A true test of a managers ability - Pep to go to somebody like Burton or Fleetwood, with no money to spend, having to truly wheel and deal and to get the best out of a limited group of players. Clearly not true. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2023 8:15:59 GMT
Most if not all recent successful managers have massive financial resources behind them. Wonder how these managers would fair at unfashionable clubs in lower leagues. Luton have achieved wonders over the last few years but the Premier League is a level I doubt they will survive in for long. This is what I’d love to see. A true test of a managers ability - Pep to go to somebody like Burton or Fleetwood, with no money to spend, having to truly wheel and deal and to get the best out of a limited group of players. My guess is, he would absolutely smash it, and he would take whichever club he took over through the leagues. He is am elite manager/coach and will go down as one of the greatest ever once he decides he's had enough. Do people really believe he couldn't manage at a lower level? Makes me laugh, the thought that people actually believe this rubbish. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 12, 2023 8:25:46 GMT
Asking Pep to go to a club with fewer resources is like asking a Michelin Star chef if they can make a microwave meal.
He’s been in 3 of the most high profile jobs in the world, has never been sacked and has won multiple European Cups and dominating domestically playing a very unique and influential brand of football. Most of the key members of the Barca team where he cut his teeth were home grown with him, (incidentally he got Barca B promoted after a relegation).
I really don’t think he has anything to prove because he’s not managed Oldham.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 12, 2023 8:36:50 GMT
Most if not all recent successful managers have massive financial resources behind them. Wonder how these managers would fair at unfashionable clubs in lower leagues. Luton have achieved wonders over the last few years but the Premier League is a level I doubt they will survive in for long. This is what I’d love to see. A true test of a managers ability - Pep to go to somebody like Burton or Fleetwood, with no money to spend, having to truly wheel and deal and to get the best out of a limited group of players. Alternatively, a test of managerial credentials, get a lower league manager and see how they cope with half a billion pounds worth of talent and a cavalcade of monstrous egos. |
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 12, 2023 8:39:57 GMT
This is what I’d love to see. A true test of a managers ability - Pep to go to somebody like Burton or Fleetwood, with no money to spend, having to truly wheel and deal and to get the best out of a limited group of players. Alternatively, a test of managerial credentials, get a lower league manager and see how they cope with half a billion pounds worth of talent and a cavalcade of monstrous egos. ...and huge expectations. Pep wins trophies, his teams play great football and he improves players. |
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Post by scfc75 on Jun 12, 2023 9:58:27 GMT
This is what I’d love to see. A true test of a managers ability - Pep to go to somebody like Burton or Fleetwood, with no money to spend, having to truly wheel and deal and to get the best out of a limited group of players. My guess is, he would absolutely smash it, and he would take whichever club he took over through the leagues. He is am elite manager/coach and will go down as one of the greatest ever once he decides he's had enough. Do people really believe he couldn't manage at a lower level? Makes me laugh, the thought that people actually believe this rubbish. I’m not saying he couldn’t. I’d like to see it as an experiment, a totally different way of managing and coaching than he’s used to. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jun 12, 2023 11:12:39 GMT
He is without doubt one of the greatest managers ever and has changed the game mainly for the better. Theres more possession based football (not always a good thing) and more goals in European and English football which is partly down to him.
I do wonder though if he is coaching out the natural flair and brilliance of footballers. Its all about organisation and pass and move, but football is also about dribbling, crossing, and wonder strikes.
Grealish is a great example of this. He has changed his game massively to fit in with city, but he was way more interesting to watch at Villa where he regularly dribbled and created chances.
Obviously he has managed Messi as well and he still scored a ton of goals under Guardiola. But I do wonder if football will soon have no more room for another genius like Maradona, Messi or Ronaldo if they dont buy into the "team ethos" ?
Ibramhimovic was one who hated playing for Pep.
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