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Post by Olgrligm on May 23, 2023 7:21:51 GMT
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Post by Northy on May 23, 2023 7:34:54 GMT
A false rumour and people on social media hyping it up again
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Post by somersetstokie on May 23, 2023 8:50:40 GMT
Whatever happened it won't be the young kids faults as they are struggling to deal with issues of social inequality and deprivation and come from broken homes and run down drug trafficking neighbourhoods, leaving them no option but to violently attack the Police as symbols of oppression and restriction.
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Post by Eggybread on May 23, 2023 8:54:13 GMT
Whatever happened it won't be the young kids faults as they are struggling to deal with issues of social inequality and deprivation and come from broken homes and run down drug trafficking neighbourhoods, leaving them no option but to violently attack the Police as symbols of oppression and restriction. Well one things for certain it wont be the fault of the police either,it never is. The estate in question has a long history of deprivation poverty and yes bread riots. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 23, 2023 9:05:25 GMT
We do have a terrible habit in this country of defending criminals if it means putting the boot into the police.
Of course there are cases where criticism is deserved but there are also incudents where those involved choose to lead a certain type of life that puts them at risk of being caught up with the police and when they do and the worst possible consequences take place they become a martyr or the “nicest person in the world.” in the eyes of MSM and social media.
Not sure what happened with this incident but if it was a police pursuit those riding the bike could always have the choice to pull over.
If they don’t and police call off the pursuit and they’re riding like lunatics what happens if they mow down an innocent person (as has happened on a few occasions in the past).
I’d imagine that the same people blaming them for the sad losses of life would be saying “where were the Police to stop them ?”
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Post by somersetstokie on May 23, 2023 9:07:54 GMT
Known facts so far:
1. The area involved is a very large Council Estate on the west side of Cardiff. It is a very poor area with a long and still developing history of drugs, anti social behaviour, car crime and violence.
2. There was an incident last night in which 2 teenagers died on a bike which hit a bus.
3. Social media use in the area brought the deaths to the attention of the wider community, but also suggested, without apparent justification, that the Police had been involved, or were the cause of the incident.
4. Many young people congregated in the immediate area, many drawn into the locality from other areas, by use of social media, and believing that some deaths may have been caused by the Police, proceeded to abuse and attack them with vigourous assaults.
5. Locals have said it was just bored kids who don't care about the area and property, who just used the incident as a means of letting off steam. To them it was little more than an impromtu Rave.
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Post by knype on May 23, 2023 9:14:57 GMT
More police bashing!
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 23, 2023 9:16:36 GMT
"What an earth happened in Cardiff last night?"
Well what we do know is two teenagers lost their lives which is tragic and a complete waste. And beyond that let's wait and see what facts come out over the next few days........
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 23, 2023 9:30:13 GMT
We do have a terrible habit in this country of defending criminals if it means putting the boot into the police. Of course there are cases where criticism is deserved but there are also incudents where those involved choose to lead a certain type of life that puts them at risk of being caught up with the police and when they do and the worst possible consequences take place they become a martyr or the “nicest person in the world.” in the eyes of MSM and social media. Not sure what happened with this incident but if it was a police pursuit those riding the bike could always have the choice to pull over. If they don’t and police call off the pursuit and they’re riding like lunatics what happens if they mow down an innocent person (as has happened on a few occasions in the past). I’d imagine that the same people blaming them for the sad losses of life would be saying “where were the Police to stop them ?” Aren't you the one who repeatedly urges us all to "wait for the full facts"? Bit confused here.... All we currently know is that two kids lost their lives last night. |
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Post by knype on May 23, 2023 9:34:18 GMT
We do have a terrible habit in this country of defending criminals if it means putting the boot into the police. Of course there are cases where criticism is deserved but there are also incudents where those involved choose to lead a certain type of life that puts them at risk of being caught up with the police and when they do and the worst possible consequences take place they become a martyr or the “nicest person in the world.” in the eyes of MSM and social media. Not sure what happened with this incident but if it was a police pursuit those riding the bike could always have the choice to pull over. If they don’t and police call off the pursuit and they’re riding like lunatics what happens if they mow down an innocent person (as has happened on a few occasions in the past). I’d imagine that the same people blaming them for the sad losses of life would be saying “where were the Police to stop them ?” Aren't you the one who repeatedly urges us all to "wait for the full facts"? Bit confused here.... All we currently know is that two kids lost their lives last night. So you immediately blame the police because 2 kids lost their lives in what seems like a tragic accident? |
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 23, 2023 9:40:42 GMT
We do have a terrible habit in this country of defending criminals if it means putting the boot into the police. Of course there are cases where criticism is deserved but there are also incudents where those involved choose to lead a certain type of life that puts them at risk of being caught up with the police and when they do and the worst possible consequences take place they become a martyr or the “nicest person in the world.” in the eyes of MSM and social media. Not sure what happened with this incident but if it was a police pursuit those riding the bike could always have the choice to pull over. If they don’t and police call off the pursuit and they’re riding like lunatics what happens if they mow down an innocent person (as has happened on a few occasions in the past). I’d imagine that the same people blaming them for the sad losses of life would be saying “where were the Police to stop them ?” Aren't you the one who repeatedly urges us all to "wait for the full facts"? Bit confused here.... All we currently know is that two kids lost their lives last night. If you read what I’ve posted I’m not commenting on the specific incident I’m discussing a general consensus around the difficult judgements that police have to make in relation to pursuits (not this one) and the fact that whatever option they choose they’re open to criticism. Maybe you need to pop down to Wales and tell that to those rioting.  |
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Post by somersetstokie on May 23, 2023 9:43:29 GMT
I assume that we will have a couple of days of claim and counter claim, about social problems, and alleged Police Brutality, and I assume that there will be some sort of enquiry.
From my cynical point of view it would seem that a "small minority" were just waiting for an excuse to have some "harmless fun" and a bit of group action against the Police. There were widespread reports of fireworks being thrown at the Police, so where did they come from? You don't just have a stash of big bang fireworks
conveniently to hand, in case some sort of riot was anticipated. This may to some extent have been a planned community activity for some hoped for summer evening of rioteous assembly.
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Post by foster on May 23, 2023 9:48:24 GMT
Can't wait until my car gets set on fire by rowdy teenagers and I can blame the police.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 23, 2023 9:50:26 GMT
Aren't you the one who repeatedly urges us all to "wait for the full facts"? Bit confused here.... All we currently know is that two kids lost their lives last night. If you read what I’ve posted I’m not commenting on the specific incident I’m discussing a general consensus around the difficult judgements that police have to make in relation to pursuits (not this one) and the fact that whatever option they choose they’re open to criticism. Maybe you need to pop down to Wales and tell that to those rioting. Looks very much like you are mate. |
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Post by milton58 on May 23, 2023 9:53:40 GMT
Aren't you the one who repeatedly urges us all to "wait for the full facts"? Bit confused here.... All we currently know is that two kids lost their lives last night. So you immediately blame the police because 2 kids lost their lives in what seems like a tragic accident? where did he blame ob |
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Post by knype on May 23, 2023 9:54:56 GMT
So you immediately blame the police because 2 kids lost their lives in what seems like a tragic accident? where did he blame ob He liked Eggybread's post, therefore agreeing |
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Post by wagsastokie on May 23, 2023 10:00:04 GMT
Neglectful
By the Welsh Labour Government they should of had the foresight to have purchased boris’s water cannons
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 23, 2023 10:00:19 GMT
If you read what I’ve posted I’m not commenting on the specific incident I’m discussing a general consensus around the difficult judgements that police have to make in relation to pursuits (not this one) and the fact that whatever option they choose they’re open to criticism. Maybe you need to pop down to Wales and tell that to those rioting. Looks very much like you are mate. Well if that’s how you want to see it. I won’t go over the same point again. As Prestwich said RIP to those who’ve lost their lives and to those hurt in the aftermath. |
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Post by foster on May 23, 2023 10:08:23 GMT
We do have a terrible habit in this country of defending criminals if it means putting the boot into the police. Of course there are cases where criticism is deserved but there are also incudents where those involved choose to lead a certain type of life that puts them at risk of being caught up with the police and when they do and the worst possible consequences take place they become a martyr or the “nicest person in the world.” in the eyes of MSM and social media. Not sure what happened with this incident but if it was a police pursuit those riding the bike could always have the choice to pull over. If they don’t and police call off the pursuit and they’re riding like lunatics what happens if they mow down an innocent person (as has happened on a few occasions in the past). I’d imagine that the same people blaming them for the sad losses of life would be saying “where were the Police to stop them ?” Aren't you the one who repeatedly urges us all to "wait for the full facts"? Bit confused here....All we currently know is that two kids lost their lives last night. Is that what others on here refer to a modus operandi?  I know the BBC article has a longer word count than a typical tweet mate, but I'm sure you can navigate through it to find some other facts, if you try really hard. |
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Post by cheadlepotter on May 23, 2023 10:12:41 GMT
Have they not used the horrible death of someone to rob a few TVs yet?
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Post by stokeuk474 on May 23, 2023 10:47:36 GMT
As a side note, there's loads of nob head chavs that ride around where I live on these electric bikes/scooters ridiculously dangerously, swerving in and out of traffic, going through red lights, even through the town centre when people are walking about with kids trying to enjoy their afternoon. They often wear balaclavas or things to cover their face.
It's only a matter of time before there's another incident, either a crash or a member of the public decides to take matters into their own hands.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 23, 2023 10:50:14 GMT
Looks very much like you are mate. Well if that’s how you want to see it. I won’t go over the same point again. As Prestwich said RIP to those who’ve lost their lives and to those hurt in the aftermath. I said more or less the same as PP. No response from you to him. Almost like you have an agenda mate, just saying. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 23, 2023 10:51:13 GMT
So you immediately blame the police because 2 kids lost their lives in what seems like a tragic accident? where did he blame ob I didn't and I wouldn't. Sadly Knype is a bit thick. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 23, 2023 10:51:39 GMT
Aren't you the one who repeatedly urges us all to "wait for the full facts"? Bit confused here....All we currently know is that two kids lost their lives last night. Is that what others on here refer to a modus operandi? I know the BBC article has a longer word count than a typical tweet mate, but I'm sure you can navigate through it to find some other facts, if you try really hard. Not at all mate-not at all. |
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Post by foster on May 23, 2023 10:54:28 GMT
Well if that’s how you want to see it. I won’t go over the same point again. As Prestwich said RIP to those who’ve lost their lives and to those hurt in the aftermath. I said more or less the same as PP. No response from you to him. Almost like you have an agenda mate, just saying. Stop crying mate. PP didn't reply directly to Cobham like you did. If you don't want to get into a discussion with someone then the logical thing would be not to reply to them. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 23, 2023 10:59:36 GMT
I said more or less the same as PP. No response from you to him. Almost like you have an agenda mate, just saying. Stop crying mate. PP didn't reply directly to Cobham like you did. If you don't want to get into a discussion with someone then the logical thing would be not to reply to them. I'm not crying ya daft bugger. |
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Post by elystokie on May 23, 2023 11:14:38 GMT
Aren't you the one who repeatedly urges us all to "wait for the full facts"? Bit confused here....All we currently know is that two kids lost their lives last night. Is that what others on here refer to a modus operandi? I know the BBC article has a longer word count than a typical tweet mate, but I'm sure you can navigate through it to find some other facts, if you try really hard. What if the BBC made it bigger and added some animation or something? 😉 |
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Post by cvillestokie on May 23, 2023 11:17:01 GMT
Sucks for the residents of this area. Those not involved must have been terrified.
What a crap thing to have to deal with when it all dies down.
Cost of living crisis and people have to figure out how to sort out the damage to their homes or figure out how to get to work without a car. Feel sorry for them.
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Post by foster on May 23, 2023 11:17:01 GMT
Is that what others on here refer to a modus operandi? I know the BBC article has a longer word count than a typical tweet mate, but I'm sure you can navigate through it to find some other facts, if you try really hard. What if the BBC made it bigger and added some animation or something? 😉 Well that certainly might help haha |
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Post by elystokie on May 23, 2023 11:17:32 GMT
What if the BBC made it bigger and added some animation or something? 😉 Well that certainly might help haha 😂 |
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