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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 22, 2023 10:45:32 GMT
How is it weakening competitiveness - unless you mean weakening the ability of money to determine outcomes? Scrapping or extending the transfer window just allows money to talk louder than it does at the moment and the last thing the money men want is genuine competition - they are hell bent on stitching up a cartel. Imho it's the other way around the artificial window combined with the insane difference in income between pl and EFL (&between Champions League and the rest of the pl) sees pl clubs stockpile players they don't use (thus weakening the clubs below) and drives transfer fees up The transfer window is a charter for agents to make money, absolutely no one else benefits How does having a longer transfer window reduce the opportunity for the wealthy clubs to stockpile players and how does giving agents more time to operate give them less opportunity to make money? It's completely the other way round - in particular giving agents more time to tap up players will make things far worse than what they are. It is the smaller clubs with talented players who will suffer most - what better way to keep the small fry from rocking the boat than hoovering up their players mid season and putting them in your reserves than have them play against you. What you are proposing simply doesn't make sense in terms of making football more competitive. It will have the opposite effect. Reduce and enforce squad size and close the window before the season starts - that is way fairer and puts the breaks on what money can do to outcomes.
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Post by enuntio on May 22, 2023 12:31:45 GMT
Set a limit on the number of players that you can send out on loan.
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Post by lordb on May 22, 2023 13:44:25 GMT
Imho it's the other way around the artificial window combined with the insane difference in income between pl and EFL (&between Champions League and the rest of the pl) sees pl clubs stockpile players they don't use (thus weakening the clubs below) and drives transfer fees up The transfer window is a charter for agents to make money, absolutely no one else benefits How does having a longer transfer window reduce the opportunity for the wealthy clubs to stockpile players and how does giving agents more time to operate give them less opportunity to make money? It's completely the other way round - in particular giving agents more time to tap up players will make things far worse than what they are. It is the smaller clubs with talented players who will suffer most - what better way to keep the small fry from rocking the boat than hoovering up their players mid season and putting them in your reserves than have them play against you. What you are proposing simply doesn't make sense in terms of making football more competitive. It will have the opposite effect. Reduce and enforce squad size and close the window before the season starts - that is way fairer and puts the breaks on what money can do to outcomes. It reduces the need Why spend money stockpiling when you can but a player anytime Thats how it used to be, clubs didn't have 25 first teamers 'just in case' Look at transfer fees, time and time again the big fees are spent at the end of the window The transfer window creates a paranoid mindset re transfer policy Agents benefit, football does not
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Post by stokiejoe on May 22, 2023 15:05:03 GMT
Agreed. In my opinion, it should be open up until 24 hours before the first game. Or better still, just have a one month period before pre-season starts. Or better still get rid of it altogether Sadly that could lead to teams poaching the players that were performing well either to improve their squad or weaken a rival team. Best solution for me is a short sharp window allowing 4 weeks-ish for preseason. Good players are likely to wait until the last moment to get best offers, doesn't always work but usually does.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 22, 2023 17:34:18 GMT
How does having a longer transfer window reduce the opportunity for the wealthy clubs to stockpile players and how does giving agents more time to operate give them less opportunity to make money? It's completely the other way round - in particular giving agents more time to tap up players will make things far worse than what they are. It is the smaller clubs with talented players who will suffer most - what better way to keep the small fry from rocking the boat than hoovering up their players mid season and putting them in your reserves than have them play against you. What you are proposing simply doesn't make sense in terms of making football more competitive. It will have the opposite effect. Reduce and enforce squad size and close the window before the season starts - that is way fairer and puts the breaks on what money can do to outcomes. It reduces the need Why spend money stockpiling when you can but a player anytime Thats how it used to be, clubs didn't have 25 first teamers 'just in case' Look at transfer fees, time and time again the big fees are spent at the end of the window The transfer window creates a paranoid mindset re transfer policy Agents benefit, football does not So in effect you would also have to scrap squad lists: 1 Either there is a numeric cap so if a club buy a player at anytime they would have to delist a player who would still remain on their books if they couldn't sell them which is still in effect stockpiling 2 There is no numeric cap - in which case clubs will simply hoover up as many players as they can and play the ones in form. It will make stockpiling worse If transfers could happen at any time competitions would become a joke with players swapping and changing allegiances and the team winning a competition bearing no resemblance to the one starting it. And how do you stop an unscrupulous owner from buying a rivals star player towards the end of a competition just to prevent them playing for that rival? You can't - it would make the game a farce. You can't just hark back to the good old days. It worked then because the wasn't nearly so much money sloshing around - transfers didn't happen so much because there wasn't the money. That simply isn't the case now - there are no constraints. The simple way if stopping stockpiling is enforcing smaller squads - maybe 25 per club per competition with a reserve list of 5 for emergencies on the condition of 1 in 1 out for the rest of the competition. That would actually address stockpiling - getting rid of the transfer window won't.
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Post by lordb on May 22, 2023 17:53:32 GMT
It reduces the need Why spend money stockpiling when you can but a player anytime Thats how it used to be, clubs didn't have 25 first teamers 'just in case' Look at transfer fees, time and time again the big fees are spent at the end of the window The transfer window creates a paranoid mindset re transfer policy Agents benefit, football does not So in effect you would also have to scrap squad lists: 1 Either there is a numeric cap so if a club buy a player at anytime they would have to delist a player who would still remain on their books if they couldn't sell them which is still in effect stockpiling 2 There is no numeric cap - in which case clubs will simply hoover up as many players as they can and play the ones in form. It will make stockpiling worse If transfers could happen at any time competitions would become a joke with players swapping and changing allegiances and the team winning a competition bearing no resemblance to the one starting it. And how do you stop an unscrupulous owner from buying a rivals star player towards the end of a competition just to prevent them playing for that rival? You can't - it would make the game a farce. You can't just hark back to the good old days. It worked then because the wasn't nearly so much money sloshing around - transfers didn't happen so much because there wasn't the money. That simply isn't the case now - there are no constraints. The simple way if stopping stockpiling is enforcing smaller squads - maybe 25 per club per competition with a reserve list of 5 for emergencies on the condition of 1 in 1 out for the rest of the competition. That would actually address stockpiling - getting rid of the transfer window won't. Transfer system worked for how long without a transfer window very very simply it is not better now
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Post by march4 on May 22, 2023 18:34:09 GMT
So in effect you would also have to scrap squad lists: 1 Either there is a numeric cap so if a club buy a player at anytime they would have to delist a player who would still remain on their books if they couldn't sell them which is still in effect stockpiling 2 There is no numeric cap - in which case clubs will simply hoover up as many players as they can and play the ones in form. It will make stockpiling worse If transfers could happen at any time competitions would become a joke with players swapping and changing allegiances and the team winning a competition bearing no resemblance to the one starting it. And how do you stop an unscrupulous owner from buying a rivals star player towards the end of a competition just to prevent them playing for that rival? You can't - it would make the game a farce. You can't just hark back to the good old days. It worked then because the wasn't nearly so much money sloshing around - transfers didn't happen so much because there wasn't the money. That simply isn't the case now - there are no constraints. The simple way if stopping stockpiling is enforcing smaller squads - maybe 25 per club per competition with a reserve list of 5 for emergencies on the condition of 1 in 1 out for the rest of the competition. That would actually address stockpiling - getting rid of the transfer window won't. Transfer system worked for how long without a transfer window very very simply it is not better now Correct. No transfer window led to Wolves, Burnley, Ipswich, Everton, Portsmouth, Derby, Forest, Spurs, etc winning the league in the post war years. Since the introduction of FFP and transfer windows, the league title has been the sole preserve of a small elite group of clubs (Leicester and Blackburn excepted). And yet we are led to believe the current rules are better.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 22, 2023 20:29:59 GMT
Transfer system worked for how long without a transfer window very very simply it is not better now Correct. No transfer window led to Wolves, Burnley, Ipswich, Everton, Portsmouth, Derby, Forest, Spurs, etc winning the league in the post war years. Since the introduction of FFP and transfer windows, the league title has been the sole preserve of a small elite group of clubs (Leicester and Blackburn excepted). And yet we are led to believe the current rules are better. The league being the sole preserve of a small elite of clubs has absolutely nothing to do with the transfer window and everything to do with money. If anything the transfer window has constrained the effect money can have - get rid of it and money and agents have more time to impact outcomes. Scrapping the transfer window will help solidify the position of the elite clubs - who the hell will spend more and recruit more if the window is scrapped? The clubs with less money to spend?
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Post by J-Roar on May 22, 2023 22:55:12 GMT
Clean bath?
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