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Post by J-Roar on May 15, 2023 21:25:51 GMT
Was it Lewis Dunk, who went on to play for England, who legged Charlie over from behind as he stepped up to roll in the rebound? I rememebr my emotions 1. Charlie will score 2. Oh shit the keeper has parried the ball away 3. It's okay Charlie will just step up and roll the rebound in to an empty net 4. Then everything seemd to go in to slo-mo and the rest is history Here it is... As much as I dislike it VAR would have seen the penalty retaken and their player sent off!! We might not have got the penalty with var. It seemed soft from memory.
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Post by J-Roar on May 15, 2023 21:33:36 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on May 15, 2023 21:47:11 GMT
I'm sick, to fucking death, of our players from that period going into the media and talking about it all and what went wrong. Amongst other things it leads to history being rewritten and perspective being lost.
We all know the course of events. We all know errors were made. BUT it was five years ago. It's a closed book. Please, no more.
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 15, 2023 21:59:15 GMT
Biggest crime wasn't missing the penalty. That can happen to the best. It was the tap in from the rebound that he managed to waddle up to and be beaten to by the defender he had a 10yd head start on. He didn’t have a ten yard start though as the defender was in the peno box before Charlie kicked the ball. The kick should have been retaken on that basis well before the second peno and red card for the defenders tackle from behind that prevented Charlie scoring the rebound.
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Post by RF10 on May 15, 2023 22:05:14 GMT
I'm sick, to fucking death, of our players from that period going into the media and talking about it all and what went wrong. Amongst other things it leads to history being rewritten and perspective being lost. We all know the course of events. We all know errors were made. BUT it was five years ago. It's a closed book. Please, no more. Why can't you talk about past events? Maybe we should never mention getting promoted in 2008, beating Bolton 5-0 or even winning the Autoglass Trophy (two times).
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Post by marylandstoke on May 15, 2023 22:06:46 GMT
I don’t think I’m giving him shit but fair enough, we disagree. I didn’t say you were tbf, I meant historically. It wasn’t aimed at you👍🏻 Don’t start talking about historic shitting. Hampsta will be here all night.
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Post by mrrine on May 15, 2023 23:05:39 GMT
Imagine being fat and still completing 90mins of premier league football. He wasn’t athletic but was a good footballer, end of. For balance, see ripped Tyrese who is absolutely blowing after 30 minutes. You're making Tommy's point though...? Even with his middle aged spread CA could last 90 - what the fuck sort of animal would he have been if he put effort into being as fit as he could be!
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Post by scfc75 on May 16, 2023 1:46:46 GMT
It’s all semantics isn’t it? Our season didn’t hinge on one poor penalty, poor follow up and the ref missing another foul… we were awful pretty much all season, and this one incident wasn’t the reason that we were relegated.
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Post by oslostokie1 on May 16, 2023 5:36:50 GMT
Sorry but I still haven’t forgiven Charlie for THAT penalty miss. Yes imo, things would have been different if he hadn’t snatched the ball from (can’t remember?) and insisted on taking it. It was an accident waiting to happen and guess what, it did. Having said that we should have had an absolutely nailed on penalty in the fracas that followed) I’m sure we would have gone on to beat Everton that day and maybe, who knows, still be in the Prem. He was our penalty taker though, he was right to ‘insist’ on taking it. I don’t think he’d missed one before that for us. Would’ve been nice if he could’ve broken into so much as a light jog for the rebound, mind. I blame Lambert for picking him as he looked a million miles away from match fit at the time. We’d have beaten Everton in a different game if he hadn’t lunged into a brainless red card tackle in that game. Charlie said on the show that there was no designated penalty taker which is shocking from Lambert in itself. As Jesé earned the penalty, he probably felt he had earned the right to take it
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Post by lordb on May 16, 2023 6:54:37 GMT
Biggest crime wasn't missing the penalty. That can happen to the best. It was the tap in from the rebound that he managed to waddle up to and be beaten to by the defender he had a 10yd head start on. 10 yards?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 16, 2023 6:55:03 GMT
He was our penalty taker though, he was right to ‘insist’ on taking it. I don’t think he’d missed one before that for us. Would’ve been nice if he could’ve broken into so much as a light jog for the rebound, mind. I blame Lambert for picking him as he looked a million miles away from match fit at the time. We’d have beaten Everton in a different game if he hadn’t lunged into a brainless red card tackle in that game. Charlie said on the show that there was no designated penalty taker which is shocking from Lambert in itself. As Jesé earned the penalty, he probably felt he had earned the right to take it He'd always been Hughes' penalty taker though and hadn't missed one, so it was natural that he should take it.
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Post by owdestokie2 on May 16, 2023 8:21:53 GMT
Biggest crime wasn't missing the penalty. That can happen to the best. It was the tap in from the rebound that he managed to waddle up to and be beaten to by the defender he had a 10yd head start on. He didn’t have a ten yard start though as the defender was in the peno box before Charlie kicked the ball. The kick should have been retaken on that basis well before the second peno and red card for the defenders tackle from behind that prevented Charlie scoring the rebound. You’ve nailed it. In the run up to the penalty the goalkeeper and a couple of defenders should have been booked for delaying the kick being taken. Very poor by the referee
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Post by theonlooker on May 16, 2023 9:05:35 GMT
Just re-watching those highlights and it's stark as to how much quicker Brighton were all over the park. Shawcross looked like he was running in glue, Bauer and Allen were all over the place and Fletcher in one highlight got done square on. The players just looked generally unfit and from memory they were just that.
We were a very sick club, probably a lot sicker than we thought at the time and we still haven't recovered.
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Post by theoptimist on May 16, 2023 9:10:53 GMT
Biggest crime wasn't missing the penalty. That can happen to the best. It was the tap in from the rebound that he managed to waddle up to and be beaten to by the defender he had a 10yd head start on. 10 yards? Yes. Opposition are not allowed within 10 yards from free kick/penalty restart.
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Post by hoppo96 on May 16, 2023 9:35:56 GMT
We should have moved him on in 2016. it wasn't just the missed penalty, he made quite a few mistakes in those months leading up to promotion.
The 'good footballer' stuff means much much less when he didn't look after himself better. Was quite frankly sick of the halfway line goal attempts and hollywood passes at the end.
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Post by Pugsley on May 16, 2023 11:49:26 GMT
Like the rest of them, Adam can go fuck himself. Unprofessional.
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Post by LphPotter on May 16, 2023 13:59:14 GMT
As much as I dislike it VAR would have seen the penalty retaken and their player sent off!! We might not have got the penalty with var. It seemed soft from memory. Yeah it was never a penalty in the first place
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Post by mowcopphil1 on May 16, 2023 18:06:43 GMT
At least something happened when Charlie was on the field, fantastic pass, horrendous tackle, ridiculous shot from miles out. A far cry from the beige footballers we’ve had to watch recently.
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Post by Pugsley on May 16, 2023 18:10:41 GMT
As complicit as anyone in our demise, maybe even more so. He should just keep his trap shut.
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Post by fazza90 on May 16, 2023 18:24:32 GMT
A lot happening in the last 10 seconds of that clip that I'd completely forgotten about. I remembered it as an awful penalty when it looks more like a brilliant save. 100% should have been re-taken as half the Brighton team were in the area before Charlie kicks it. Definite penalty from their guy scything Charlie down off the rebound despite the commentator saying it's a great tackle. But all in all it was probably fair as it doesn't look like a penalty in the first place, I'd have been fuming if a ref gave that against us.
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Post by wuzza on May 16, 2023 18:37:57 GMT
For me Charlie was always a bit of throwback to the 70s which is always a big tick in the box for any player. He had flair , character , ability and a mean streak. Greatly enjoyed his contribution at SCFC and for what it’s worth I think he speaks well on the game now.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on May 16, 2023 18:43:24 GMT
Sorry but I still haven’t forgiven Charlie for THAT penalty miss. Yes imo, things would have been different if he hadn’t snatched the ball from (can’t remember?) and insisted on taking it. It was an accident waiting to happen and guess what, it did. Having said that we should have had an absolutely nailed on penalty in the fracas that followed) I’m sure we would have gone on to beat Everton that day and maybe, who knows, still be in the Prem. Eh? It was against Brighton, the score was 1-1 and it was literally the last kick of the game on 96 mins! Yes you’re quite correct it was Brighton (but does it really matter who it was against?) the fact remains he lost us two precious points with his petulance and to compound matters it was against EVERTON that the daft twat got himself (almost deliberately?) sent off losing us another 3 points.
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Post by PotterLog on May 16, 2023 18:45:23 GMT
I've never thought a second pen should have been given. The angles in those highlights aren't that conclusive but the fact that Charlie didn't remotely appeal for anything makes me think he probably just nicked the ball away fairly.
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Post by ParaPsych on May 16, 2023 19:42:24 GMT
He was 32 that season, does being past your sell by date count for nothing before we unleash all our bile on someone? He played 11 games, and it probably should have been less.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on May 16, 2023 20:13:59 GMT
I'm sick, to fucking death, of our players from that period going into the media and talking about it all and what went wrong. Amongst other things it leads to history being rewritten and perspective being lost. We all know the course of events. We all know errors were made. BUT it was five years ago. It's a closed book. Please, no more. Ex-footballers who work in the media are bound to be asked about their career. And I'd be interested in reading a Charlie Adam autobiography.
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Post by lordb on May 16, 2023 21:23:11 GMT
I've never thought a second pen should have been given. The angles in those highlights aren't that conclusive but the fact that Charlie didn't remotely appeal for anything makes me think he probably just nicked the ball away fairly. He took his legs away, absolutely clear as day Sonko type challenge
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Post by mickstupp on May 16, 2023 21:35:31 GMT
Jesus Christ. How slow was Charlie to react to that rebound from his penalty? I’ve seen tectonic plates move quicker.
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Post by PotterLog on May 16, 2023 23:26:30 GMT
I've never thought a second pen should have been given. The angles in those highlights aren't that conclusive but the fact that Charlie didn't remotely appeal for anything makes me think he probably just nicked the ball away fairly. He took his legs away, absolutely clear as day Sonko type challenge I can understand why you think so but if you really watch it as dispassionately as possible, there’s nowt in it. Charlie even gets his feet down and takes a slow, stuttering step or two after the initial challenge before lumbering down.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 16, 2023 23:33:53 GMT
Just re-watching those highlights and it's stark as to how much quicker Brighton were all over the park. Shawcross looked like he was running in glue, Bauer and Allen were all over the place and Fletcher in one highlight got done square on. The players just looked generally unfit and from memory they were just that. We were a very sick club, probably a lot sicker than we thought at the time and we still haven't recovered. I agree but I did and tbh I think it’s why I find it so hard to compute with a lot of other fans tbh. I thought it was so obvious and still do. Yet people are still oblivious to that real issue. I just don’t get it.
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Post by scfc75 on May 16, 2023 23:35:46 GMT
He took his legs away, absolutely clear as day Sonko type challenge I can understand why you think so but if you really watch it as dispassionately as possible, there’s nowt in it. Charlie even gets his feet down and takes a slow, stuttering step or two after the initial challenge before lumbering down. We’d probably have missed the retake 😂
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