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Post by bayernoatcake on May 8, 2023 21:31:22 GMT
It was 5/6 games. It’s exactly what a blip is. I can only refer you to what I’ve already said. That doesn’t happen. Why do you think it happened then, for those 5/6 games? Talk me through the ‘we got lucky’ in a bit more detail? How so? I genuinely think the reaction after Blackpool got their goats up and they thought “fuck them”. Laurent finally found some effort to put in against Swansea and changed from his gutless wonder act he’d been doing all season to that point. That garnered a bit of a momentum and they went with it.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 8, 2023 21:34:21 GMT
I think the club need to put their retained/released list out in the next 48 hours and get cracking in bringing a couple of players in immediately to give those contemplating a season ticket a reason to renew. There's no time to piss about this summer.......
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Post by peterthornesboots on May 8, 2023 21:34:47 GMT
We have got to get the recruitment right in the summer. If we get it wrong, then we are looking at a relegation battle.
I hope that AN knows what he is doing, because there is no room for error.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 8, 2023 21:35:08 GMT
Is it a stretch to include a couple of dodgy (but not disastrous) games in a good run of form? The fact that we lost away at Palace and West Brom doesn't mean that we weren't in outstanding form in Christmas 2015, nor does losing 2-0 at home to Watford in the middle of a run of five wins in seven games in the same season. I'm including a run where we scored ten goals across four consecutive home games and dismantled Swansea on their own turf after being utterly hopeless in the preceding months. That was the foundation of the continued progression through to March. Again, if it was just a couple of flukey wins where every shot on target went in, I wouldn't pay much attention. However, we're talking about a sustained period of executing a high-energy game, dominating matches in a way that I haven't seen us do for years and creating good quality chances for fun over a two to three month period. Furthermore, you can pretty easily account for the subsequent loss of form as: 1) The loss of Wilmot leaving us relying on paceless defenders, restricting our ability to play a high-pressing game. 2) The injury to Brown depriving us of our most effective presser and most effective attacker, pretty much ending the press there and then. 3) The referee-induced loss to West Brom absolutely knocking the stuffing out of the team and killing all momentum, along with any remote hopes of finishing near the play-offs. 4) Neil inherited a desperately unfit team that was hampered by persistent injury problems. He'd done a lot of work to build them up during the World Cup so that they were capable of playing a press, but you're only going to be able to keep that up for so long without a proper foundation in pre-season. 5) A complete lack of strength in depth. 6) The manager's strange desire to revert back to 3-5-2 whenever he can't play the exact system that he would like. I acknowledge that this is very much glass half full stuff, but I can genuinely see green shoots. It all depends on our recruitment this summer. It wasn’t a loss of form. We have been shit for most of the season bar 6 weeks. It was returning to the norm. Not trying to be arsey, but I don't really know what to tell you here. It wasn't six weeks, it was a two - three month period. That's just a fact that you can see in the numbers. Likewise, teams don't flukily dominate games and regularly register three and four goal scorelines - flukey teams tend to be rubbish and score jammy goals for a much shorter spell. Given that you normally take a more detailed view, I just don't get why you're just sticking to the most surface-level analysis of the period. The biggest change that followed the period was a loss of two key players in the system for whom there was no replacement. I can only refer you to what I’ve already said. That doesn’t happen. Why do you think it happened then, for those 5/6 games? Talk me through the ‘we got lucky’ in a bit more detail? How so? I genuinely think the reaction after Blackpool got their goats up and they thought “fuck them”. Laurent finally found some effort to put in against Swansea and changed from his gutless wonder act he’d been doing all season to that point. That garnered a bit of a momentum and they went with it. This is exactly what I mean! We absolutely battered Blackpool and subsequent results just followed performances in the preceding matches. The response from the our support was ridiculously over the top and didn't really make any difference. We were dominating games, creating chances and scoring goals before, during and after that game.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on May 8, 2023 21:36:23 GMT
Me, cuz I'm not renewing my season ticket!!! want a medal or something? People seem to take pride in not renewing, it’s actually quite funny. Don’t come back, Tra 👋 Didn't ask for an opinion, no....I was merely giving MY take on the topic of the thread, but seen as you're offering one, I'll file it under "I don't give a fuck what you think".... Ta'ra!!! 👋🏼😁
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 8, 2023 21:38:19 GMT
It wasn’t a loss of form. We have been shit for most of the season bar 6 weeks. It was returning to the norm. Not trying to be arsey, but I don't really know what to tell you here. It wasn't six weeks, it was a two - three month period. That's just a fact that you can see in the numbers. Likewise, teams don't flukily dominate games and regularly register three and four goal scorelines - flukey teams tend to be rubbish and score jammy goals for a much shorter spell. Given that you normally take a more detailed view, I just don't get why you're just sticking to the most surface-level analysis of the period. The biggest change that followed the period was a loss of two key players in the system for whom there was no replacement. It was 6 weeks. January was awful, as was most of February. And the Jan window was a disaster. We were lucky. The norm has been insipid shit and that’s what we got for 90% of the season. Wilmot and Brown have been garbage all season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 8, 2023 21:39:39 GMT
It wasn’t a loss of form. We have been shit for most of the season bar 6 weeks. It was returning to the norm. Not trying to be arsey, but I don't really know what to tell you here. It wasn't six weeks, it was a two - three month period. That's just a fact that you can see in the numbers. Likewise, teams don't flukily dominate games and regularly register three and four goal scorelines - flukey teams tend to be rubbish and score jammy goals for a much shorter spell. Given that you normally take a more detailed view, I just don't get why you're just sticking to the most surface-level analysis of the period. The biggest change that followed the period was a loss of two key players in the system for whom there was no replacement. I genuinely think the reaction after Blackpool got their goats up and they thought “fuck them”. Laurent finally found some effort to put in against Swansea and changed from his gutless wonder act he’d been doing all season to that point. That garnered a bit of a momentum and they went with it. This is exactly what I mean! We absolutely battered Blackpool and subsequent results just followed performances in the preceding matches. The response from the our support was ridiculously over the top and didn't really make any difference. We were dominating games, creating chances and scoring goals before, during and after that game. The Blackpool result and performance were abhorrent. The response was what months of shit lead to.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 8, 2023 21:41:05 GMT
I can only refer you to what I’ve already said. That doesn’t happen. Why do you think it happened then, for those 5/6 games? Talk me through the ‘we got lucky’ in a bit more detail? How so? I genuinely think the reaction after Blackpool got their goats up and they thought “fuck them”. Laurent finally found some effort to put in against Swansea and changed from his gutless wonder act he’d been doing all season to that point. That garnered a bit of a momentum and they went with it. It wasn’t like they came flying out of the traps in the next match though? They went a goal down to Swansea and only after that did they rouse themselves. The reaction has been like the Blackpool one in numerous games over the past few seasons and it hasn’t made a jot of difference beyond the odd ear cup.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 8, 2023 21:42:30 GMT
Not trying to be arsey, but I don't really know what to tell you here. It wasn't six weeks, it was a two - three month period. That's just a fact that you can see in the numbers. Likewise, teams don't flukily dominate games and regularly register three and four goal scorelines - flukey teams tend to be rubbish and score jammy goals for a much shorter spell. Given that you normally take a more detailed view, I just don't get why you're just sticking to the most surface-level analysis of the period. The biggest change that followed the period was a loss of two key players in the system for whom there was no replacement. It was 6 weeks. January was awful, as was most of February. And the Jan window was a disaster. We were lucky. The norm has been insipid shit and that’s what we got for 90% of the season. Wilmot and Brown have been garbage all season. No one’s denying that the norm has been insipid shit but that doesn’t make the intervening period lucky, they’re not mutually exclusive. As MD says, normally you look at things a lot more deeply than this?
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Post by theonlooker on May 8, 2023 21:43:23 GMT
Is anyone not worried about the toll that this summer could potentially take on the manager? I've just finished watching the post match presser where, being brutally honest, he looks completely and utterly washed out.
There he also talks about the effort required in the summer from him personally to get the squad up to shape for the new season. In his Radio Stoke interview he mentioned he was at the Training Ground until 11.30pm the other night.
I get the impression that by August he'll need a holiday rather than a 9 month graft.
That also adds weight to the argument that the club needs to modernise at the top end. It's really not healthy in my book to keep flogging managers like that. Yes, they get paid a fortune but seriously? Modern managers need more help than ever.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 8, 2023 21:43:52 GMT
I genuinely think the reaction after Blackpool got their goats up and they thought “fuck them”. Laurent finally found some effort to put in against Swansea and changed from his gutless wonder act he’d been doing all season to that point. That garnered a bit of a momentum and they went with it. It wasn’t like they came flying out of the traps in the next match though? They went a goal down to Swansea and only after that did they rouse themselves. The reaction has been like the Blackpool one in numerous games over the past few seasons and it hasn’t made a jot of difference beyond the odd ear cup. I don’t think it has? Not that vociferous. It woke them up.
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Post by peterthornesboots on May 8, 2023 21:46:37 GMT
Not trying to be arsey, but I don't really know what to tell you here. It wasn't six weeks, it was a two - three month period. That's just a fact that you can see in the numbers. Likewise, teams don't flukily dominate games and regularly register three and four goal scorelines - flukey teams tend to be rubbish and score jammy goals for a much shorter spell. Given that you normally take a more detailed view, I just don't get why you're just sticking to the most surface-level analysis of the period. The biggest change that followed the period was a loss of two key players in the system for whom there was no replacement. It was 6 weeks. January was awful, as was most of February. And the Jan window was a disaster. We were lucky. The norm has been insipid shit and that’s what we got for 90% of the season. Wilmot and Brown have been garbage all season. The good run of form was the exception, rather than the norm.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 8, 2023 21:47:45 GMT
It was 6 weeks. January was awful, as was most of February. And the Jan window was a disaster. We were lucky. The norm has been insipid shit and that’s what we got for 90% of the season. Wilmot and Brown have been garbage all season. No one’s denying that the norm has been insipid shit but that doesn’t make the intervening period lucky, they’re not mutually exclusive. As MD says, normally you look at things a lot more deeply than this? It was a total blip I think it’s that simple. It can happen and does happen. They got a bit of momentum and went with that. They’re not good and it’s why we need 8 new players from those that started in most of those games. Smallbone is awful but he had a good 6 weeks. That was luck.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 8, 2023 22:16:09 GMT
It wasn’t like they came flying out of the traps in the next match though? They went a goal down to Swansea and only after that did they rouse themselves. The reaction has been like the Blackpool one in numerous games over the past few seasons and it hasn’t made a jot of difference beyond the odd ear cup. I don’t think it has? Not that vociferous. It woke them up. If it was that simple they’d have reacted to the various tongue lashings they’ve had from supporters before now. You’ve said yourself before that it isn’t a matter of the players not caring.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 8, 2023 22:17:33 GMT
I don’t think it has? Not that vociferous. It woke them up. If it was that simple they’d have reacted to the various tongue lashings they’ve had from supporters before now. You’ve said yourself before that it isn’t a matter of the players not caring. I have but that against Blackpool was some next level vitriol. They had a point to prove.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 8, 2023 22:17:42 GMT
No one’s denying that the norm has been insipid shit but that doesn’t make the intervening period lucky, they’re not mutually exclusive. As MD says, normally you look at things a lot more deeply than this? It was a total blip I think it’s that simple. It can happen and does happen. They got a bit of momentum and went with that. They’re not good and it’s why we need 8 new players from those that started in most of those games. Smallbone is awful but he had a good 6 weeks. That was luck. When else does it happen? Give me some examples? We’re not good, no argument there, but the new signings made a difference. Smallbone benefited from Pearson freeing him up, and from his pressing suiting the style against that kind of opposition away from home. It doesn’t happen by magic.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 8, 2023 22:20:42 GMT
It was a total blip I think it’s that simple. It can happen and does happen. They got a bit of momentum and went with that. They’re not good and it’s why we need 8 new players from those that started in most of those games. Smallbone is awful but he had a good 6 weeks. That was luck. When else does it happen? Give me some examples? We’re not good, no argument there, but the new signings made a difference. Smallbone benefited from Pearson freeing him up, and from his pressing suiting the style against that kind of opposition away from home. It doesn’t happen by magic. Blips happen all the time. Did they? Pearson did but the Jan window has been a disaster overall. Nothing changed from Smallbone. He ran around like an idiot, missed lots of chances and got 3 assists in one game that skewed a lot of shit. He made a few more passes and learned how to take corners being the biggest noticeable differences.
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Post by wilcopotter on May 8, 2023 22:33:28 GMT
I wouldn’t say excited, but surely you have to have abit of optimism. The manager has a lot to prove, but he’s got a really good opportunity to clear the decks and get a proper squad built instead of this bunch of wasters. I don’t find Neil all that likeable & tactically he hasn’t impressed, but I believe that 75% of this squad is lower championship level & that’s where we’ve finished. His CV shows he’s a solid championship manager & with backing you’d expect us to be in the hunt for promotion next season. It’s a massive summer ahead. Stop talking sense man you’ll get removed from the forum.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 8, 2023 22:47:38 GMT
Not trying to be arsey, but I don't really know what to tell you here. It wasn't six weeks, it was a two - three month period. That's just a fact that you can see in the numbers. Likewise, teams don't flukily dominate games and regularly register three and four goal scorelines - flukey teams tend to be rubbish and score jammy goals for a much shorter spell. Given that you normally take a more detailed view, I just don't get why you're just sticking to the most surface-level analysis of the period. The biggest change that followed the period was a loss of two key players in the system for whom there was no replacement. It was 6 weeks. January was awful, as was most of February. And the Jan window was a disaster. We were lucky. The norm has been insipid shit and that’s what we got for 90% of the season. Wilmot and Brown have been garbage all season. Not trying to be arsey, but I don't really know what to tell you here. It wasn't six weeks, it was a two - three month period. That's just a fact that you can see in the numbers. Likewise, teams don't flukily dominate games and regularly register three and four goal scorelines - flukey teams tend to be rubbish and score jammy goals for a much shorter spell. Given that you normally take a more detailed view, I just don't get why you're just sticking to the most surface-level analysis of the period. The biggest change that followed the period was a loss of two key players in the system for whom there was no replacement. This is exactly what I mean! We absolutely battered Blackpool and subsequent results just followed performances in the preceding matches. The response from the our support was ridiculously over the top and didn't really make any difference. We were dominating games, creating chances and scoring goals before, during and after that game. The Blackpool result and performance were abhorrent. The response was what months of shit lead to. I really don't know what to add here. Without going full Rafa, you're just plain arguing against facts. We were playing a different system and thrashing teams before the Blackpool game. That's just a fact. The first shoots of our good run started in mid-January when the loan players went back. That fact is demonstrated by the high-scoring wins that immediately followed. We battered Blackpool, created countless chances, should have scored at least a couple and conceded a silly goal. What metric do you need? We had 69% possession, 25 shots, 2.3 xG to 0.8 (I know you find xG very convincing), a Gayle miss from a couple of yards out. The reaction was hysterical, unwarranted and irrelevant in the wider context of results and performances. It would have been more justifiable two months earlier or three months later. The January window was a low key 8/10 window that allowed us to move on from the awful 3-5-2, move on the loanees and bring in the sorely missing defensive midfielder that we've craved for years. It directly led to the upturn in performances because it enabled us to change system. We score more goals, concede fewer and get more points with Brown on the pitch than any other player in the team by some distance. The manager repeatedly talks about how Wilmot's pace enabled the press. You don't luckily dominate and methodically tear apart teams that finish in the top six. We were annihilating teams by every metric imaginable and getting results to match. I really can't fathom why you're arguing the toss over basic facts. There's not a lot else to add from either side so far as I can see, barring a Damascene conversion, so we may as well stop there for the night. Have a lovely evening.
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Post by march4 on May 8, 2023 22:51:42 GMT
I don’t think a blip where you just batter teams for a few games out of nowhere for no reason is a thing. That’s not how blips work. It was the germ of how Neil wants us to play long term. It happened because he’s made some signings who enabled that and because we were playing teams who enabled it - away from home teams came at us and gave us space to hit them hard on the counter. Blackburn at home came at us the same way. We faltered I think because we had a few homes games in a row and we can’t break teams down at home. And then when it became clear we were safe but weren’t going to sneak into the play offs, players and, more worryingly, manager seemed to write the whole thing off. Obviously the above is pretty bad, and the inability to sort things at home is frustrating/worrying. I think we did briefly see the blueprint for what Neil wants though. The right signings and a few tweaks and we’ll see more of that. A blip is a short term thing. It was exactly that. We got lucky for a time and then went back to the norm. Wrong again.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 8, 2023 22:54:22 GMT
It was 6 weeks. January was awful, as was most of February. And the Jan window was a disaster. We were lucky. The norm has been insipid shit and that’s what we got for 90% of the season. Wilmot and Brown have been garbage all season. The Blackpool result and performance were abhorrent. The response was what months of shit lead to. I really don't know what to add here. Without going full Rafa, you're just plain arguing against facts. We were playing a different system and thrashing teams before the Blackpool game. That's just a fact. The first shoots of our good run started in mid-January when the loan players went back. That fact is demonstrated by the high-scoring wins that immediately followed. We battered Blackpool, created countless chances, should have scored at least a couple and conceded a silly goal. What metric do you need? We had 69% possession, 25 shots, 2.3 xG to 0.8 (I know you find xG very convincing), a Gayle miss from a couple of yards out. The reaction was hysterical, unwarranted and irrelevant in the wider context of results and performances. It would have been more justifiable two months earlier or three months later. The January window was a low key 8/10 window that allowed us to move on from the awful 3-5-2, move on the loanees and bring in the sorely missing defensive midfielder that we've craved for years. It directly led to the upturn in performances because it enabled us to change system. We score more goals, concede fewer and get more points with Brown on the pitch than any other player in the team by some distance. The manager repeatedly talks about how Wilmot's pace enabled the press. You don't luckily dominate and methodically tear apart teams that finish in the top six. We were annihilating teams by every metric imaginable and getting results to match. I really can't fathom why you're arguing the toss over basic facts. There's not a lot else to add from either side so far as I can see, barring a Damascene conversion, so we may as well stop there for the night. Have a lovely evening. There was the Reading result that was totally out of the blue. And that was about it. The Blackpool game was awful and they got the response they deserved. January was shit. A tubby DM was the best and the rest have done very little. Hoever can’t defend. Tuanzebe and Sarkic are crocks. Celina is useless and was there another one? Selling Souttar and having no plan to replace him bar someone who can’t stay fit was just awful business. Pearson the only decent transfer and he’s not been as good as I’d expected but that’s a me issue I guess. Absolutely it was luck. We’ve been shit for 90% of the season. It was a blip of 6 games and we went back to the norm. It was nothing to get excited over when the context of the rest of the season is applied to that blip.
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Post by datguy on May 8, 2023 23:03:46 GMT
Is anyone not worried about the toll that this summer could potentially take on the manager? I've just finished watching the post match presser where, being brutally honest, he looks completely and utterly washed out. There he also talks about the effort required in the summer from him personally to get the squad up to shape for the new season. In his Radio Stoke interview he mentioned he was at the Training Ground until 11.30pm the other night. I get the impression that by August he'll need a holiday rather than a 9 month graft. That also adds weight to the argument that the club needs to modernise at the top end. It's really not healthy in my book to keep flogging managers like that. Yes, they get paid a fortune but seriously? Modern managers need more help than ever. Come on mate. Employed man earning hundreds of thousands of pounds a year has a lot of work on his plate shocker. Employed man earning hundreds of thousands of pounds a year is facing the pressure shocker. Employed man earning hundreds of thousands of pounds a year has a stressful job shocker. Agree with the modernising the club part, obviously. But come on, no one should be concerned about his workload. If he can't do it, he should resign. Until then, there's only one judgment. Not the man's workload. But the man's output. And on that judgment ... well, yeah, we should be a bit concerned. And btw, during the small period we were turning teams over and during the QnA night, he was looking just fine... If anything, a bit smug.
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Post by Block 26 on May 8, 2023 23:04:07 GMT
I’m optimistic but I wouldn’t say excited. AN has a massive job on his hands this summer & we can only hope that he will turn us into a decent side. We all saw the squad at the start of the season & the majority of us knew what we were in for. Give him chance to get his own squad in, then we can judge.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 9, 2023 5:24:50 GMT
When else does it happen? Give me some examples? We’re not good, no argument there, but the new signings made a difference. Smallbone benefited from Pearson freeing him up, and from his pressing suiting the style against that kind of opposition away from home. It doesn’t happen by magic. Blips happen all the time. Did they? Pearson did but the Jan window has been a disaster overall. Nothing changed from Smallbone. He ran around like an idiot, missed lots of chances and got 3 assists in one game that skewed a lot of shit. He made a few more passes and learned how to take corners being the biggest noticeable differences. Blips where teams suddenly batter teams for no reason don’t. Happy for you to demonstrate otherwise? Pearson and Hoever, for all his defensive shortcomings, plus the return to full fitness of Sterling definitely made a difference. Sarkic made a difference. There was some purpose to Smallbone’s passing and movement in that run as well. I agree he’s not the answer and those games suited him but he was still a factor in things clicking.
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Post by theonlooker on May 9, 2023 5:28:12 GMT
Is anyone not worried about the toll that this summer could potentially take on the manager? I've just finished watching the post match presser where, being brutally honest, he looks completely and utterly washed out. There he also talks about the effort required in the summer from him personally to get the squad up to shape for the new season. In his Radio Stoke interview he mentioned he was at the Training Ground until 11.30pm the other night. I get the impression that by August he'll need a holiday rather than a 9 month graft. That also adds weight to the argument that the club needs to modernise at the top end. It's really not healthy in my book to keep flogging managers like that. Yes, they get paid a fortune but seriously? Modern managers need more help than ever. Come on mate. Employed man earning hundreds of thousands of pounds a year has a lot of work on his plate shocker. Employed man earning hundreds of thousands of pounds a year is facing the pressure shocker. Employed man earning hundreds of thousands of pounds a year has a stressful job shocker. Agree with the modernising the club part, obviously. But come on, no one should be concerned about his workload. If he can't do it, he should resign. Until then, there's only one judgment. Not the man's workload. But the man's output. And on that judgment ... well, yeah, we should be a bit concerned. And btw, during the small period we were turning teams over and during the QnA night, he was looking just fine... If anything, a bit smug. I'm not impressed with what we've seen so far. Infact I'm furious and couldn't give a fig if he left today. I really couldn't give a shit. However what I am concerned about is the welfare of our club and regardless of how much money our managers earn, I'm concerned with how much of their energy is reserved and being used and abused for tasks that should be taken up by someone else in the food chain. Nathan Jones arrived as a fresh faced kid on the block and left a disheveled, washed up juddering mess that looked like he was on his last legs. Michael O'Neill aged about 10 years in his time here. It can't be a coincidence surely? Whether people feel sorry for them against their salaries or whether they take the hardline stance of whether they should resign or not if they can't handle it is missing the point I feel, even though I understand it. Football is football and unlike any other industry. Managers working until late into the night on a regular basis in this weird world they live in can only end one way I fear. I get the impression we put more responsibility on their shoulders than most and is it a coincidence that all of them end up in this mess more than not, and more than most? I remember Mark Hughes saying he'd never been at a club where the manager was tasked with doing so much before and that's surely got to be the worry? 2+2=5 or are we really burning them out with stuff they shouldn't be doing in relation to other managers at other clubs?
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Post by musik on May 9, 2023 6:41:50 GMT
I remember Mark Hughes saying he'd never been at a club where the manager was tasked with doing so much before and that's surely got to be the worry? 2+2=5 or are we really burning them out with stuff they shouldn't be doing in relation to other managers at other clubs? I wonder what that would have been.
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Post by swinny on May 9, 2023 8:19:33 GMT
It'll be a miserable summer for those that cling onto any and all information. But Stoke fans are quite simple, the club will release a new kit and the excitement and false hope will begin all over again.
Unless there's a big summer, Neil will be sacked by October and we'll probably be relegated. I've been saying it since 2017, but something must change drastically.
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Post by philb on May 9, 2023 8:28:08 GMT
I think the club need to put their retained/released list out in the next 48 hours and get cracking in bringing a couple of players in immediately to give those contemplating a season ticket a reason to renew. There's no time to piss about this summer....... Yet they undoubtedly will piss about like they’ve done for the last 6 seasons.
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Post by philb on May 9, 2023 8:29:00 GMT
It'll be a miserable summer for those that cling onto any and all information. But Stoke fans are quite simple, the club will release a new kit and the excitement and false hope will begin all over again. Unless there's a big summer, Neil will be sacked by October and we'll probably be relegated. I've been saying it since 2017, but something must change drastically. Nothing drastic really, just bring someone in who knows how to run a football club 👍
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Post by dutchstokie on May 9, 2023 9:20:50 GMT
It'll be a miserable summer for those that cling onto any and all information. But Stoke fans are quite simple, the club will release a new kit and the excitement and false hope will begin all over again. Unless there's a big summer, Neil will be sacked by October and we'll probably be relegated. I've been saying it since 2017, but something must change drastically. Nothing drastic really, just bring someone in who knows how to run a football club 👍 ....Then drop John Coates off at that ball pit at Normid in Talke Pits - he can play to his hearts content there....then get him an ice cream after
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