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Post by thevoid on May 15, 2023 13:14:20 GMT
They are better. The league table tells you they are better, in fact, they're far better. They are more effective and consistent than us but not necessarily better. Playing at our best we are better than any other Championship team but we can't do that for a prolonged run of games and can't find a way of winning when we are not at our best. I am praying for Luton preferably or Coventry to go up. We can't play against their levels of organisation and method of play. May sound a bit like Mowbray but I'd much rather have the teams who play like Sunderland and Middlesbrough rather than ones that rely on one player up front and sitting back like Coventry or teams like Luton who physically bully the opposition. The games are generally better and we are more likely to get a result if the opposition want the ball as much as we do. If we're as good as you make out surely we should be able to outfox any side regardless of how they set up? Seems an odd statement to make considering the best side in the division lost just three times all season and had ways of breaching packed defences.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 13:29:50 GMT
They are more effective and consistent than us but not necessarily better. Playing at our best we are better than any other Championship team but we can't do that for a prolonged run of games and can't find a way of winning when we are not at our best. I am praying for Luton preferably or Coventry to go up. We can't play against their levels of organisation and method of play. May sound a bit like Mowbray but I'd much rather have the teams who play like Sunderland and Middlesbrough rather than ones that rely on one player up front and sitting back like Coventry or teams like Luton who physically bully the opposition. The games are generally better and we are more likely to get a result if the opposition want the ball as much as we do. If we're as good as you make out surely we should be able to outfox any side regardless of how they set up? Seems an odd statement to make considering the best side in the division lost just three times all season and had ways of breaching packed defences. It's a very strange statement. I think what he's trying to say really is that on our day we are a match for any team in this division, but we only had our day 3 times all season. I think he's in that group of people who got ridiculously carried away by that ever so brief purple patch we had, where a load of loan players made us look a good side for a few games.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on May 15, 2023 14:01:45 GMT
If we're as good as you make out surely we should be able to outfox any side regardless of how they set up? Seems an odd statement to make considering the best side in the division lost just three times all season and had ways of breaching packed defences. It's a very strange statement. I think what he's trying to say really is that on our day we are a match for any team in this division, but we only had our day 3 times all season. I think he's in that group of people who got ridiculously carried away by that ever so brief purple patch we had, where a load of loan players made us look a good side for a few games. I admit to being one of those who got carried away by that purple patch as I genuinely believed we had turned a corner, it wasn't to be. Ultimately though a season is forty six games not three or four and over the course of the season Luton and Sunderland etc were far better than us as the table proves. It really is frustrating as hell as on our day we know what we are capable of, on the other hand we know just how pathetically shit we can be aswell. Hoping next year we have consistency which is key in this bloody league.
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Post by nottsover60 on May 15, 2023 14:52:41 GMT
If we're as good as you make out surely we should be able to outfox any side regardless of how they set up? Seems an odd statement to make considering the best side in the division lost just three times all season and had ways of breaching packed defences. It's a very strange statement. I think what he's trying to say really is that on our day we are a match for any team in this division, but we only had our day 3 times all season. I think he's in that group of people who got ridiculously carried away by that ever so brief purple patch we had, where a load of loan players made us look a good side for a few games. I am saying our players can be a match for anyone when all fit and playing their best. I did not get carried away by our purple patch as I was predicting that we would revert to being unable to play at our best against physical teams or ones that defended deeply before we did. For me the Bristol game proved we could do it against defensive teams when confidence is high. I just feel we lose confidence so quickly when things either don't start well or turn against us which is why we lose to teams who take an undeserved lead and then sit back. Our heads drop, we begin to doubt ourselves, we don't play in the way we were playing before the goal. Time and again we have carved teams open without scoring then fall behind and we can't create a thing. The opposition were defending deeply before they scored so it's not as if they change the way they play. It's all in the mind and winning breeds winners. I said in my original post that our biggest problem is scraping a 1-0 victory when we don't play well as Burnley did on several occasions. We can win 2-0, 3-0, 4-0 but not 1-0, 2-1. We even managed to make 3-0 a close run thing against Blackburn and had the game been any longer probably would not have won. It seems as soon as we concede heads drop, and we don't win. How many times did we concede a second within ten minutes of the first? If we could overcome that mental block we would be a much better team. Perhaps a total rebuild will see a team with greater self belief. That is why I say teams are better organised and more consistent but not particularly better than us. I think during our purple patch we played some of the best football produced in the Championship all season.
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Post by topcat on May 15, 2023 19:13:06 GMT
Indeed. Not what I expected to see when I logged on. Feels too early to go up, but you can't choose when you go up and if we somehow win the next 2 am trying not to think of how horrific it will be getting pumped by the likes of Man City, Scousers and the mags every week. hey ho. probs get done by Coventry at Wembley - we never beat those twats Think the only thing that stops Ross Stewart signing for you lot in the summer is promotion
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Post by topcat on May 15, 2023 19:13:45 GMT
Really pleased they have made the playoffs,, good young team and with the injuries they have had what a excellent season just one more push Fuck Sunderland. That's more like it
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Post by zommbee on May 16, 2023 21:58:09 GMT
That's more like it See you next season old chum I'll bring some loose change to put into those transfer fund collection buckets if they're still going at the SOL.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 16, 2023 23:19:07 GMT
Hard on Sunderland. Great club with amazing fans but Luton are on to something special and there was no stopping then tonight. As are Coventry. Fascinating few days ahead.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 17, 2023 5:50:54 GMT
If only we could get in to them we'd piss the playoffs! 😂😂😂
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 17, 2023 8:14:24 GMT
A lot of talk on their forum that Moanbray will be replaced and now this
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Post by RF10 on May 17, 2023 8:19:30 GMT
Bit harsh that. He's done a great job at getting them in playoffs.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 17, 2023 8:24:27 GMT
To be fair, the people behind the scenes at Sunderland haven't made many mistakes recently.
But apparently serious talk of chopping Mowbray looks ridiculous.
They will be a different team next year without Diallo though.
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Post by LGH87 on May 17, 2023 8:44:22 GMT
If they appoint Jaissle I'm off for a bath in the trent.
I bet the Coates family have never even heard of Jaissle.
Stuber would be underwhelming but Farioli is an ex coach of De Zerbi's who could still be anything at 34 having only managed in Turkey. He's one of these new wave coaches who never played professionally but did the University thing and went in as a goalkeeping coach originally and worked his way up.
Exciting times for Sunderland, whilst we plod along with yet another dour British manager.
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Post by theonlooker on May 17, 2023 8:46:05 GMT
If they appoint Jaissle I'm off for a bath in the trent. I bet the Coates family have never even heard of Jaissle. Stuber would be underwhelming but Farioli is an ex coach of De Zerbi's who could still be anything at 34 having only managed in Turkey. He's one of these new wave coaches who never played professionally but did the University thing and went in as a goalkeeping coach originally and worked his way up. Exciting times for Sunderland, whilst we plod along with yet another dour British manager. "Why does every thread turn into a Stoke bashing thread?" I wonder...
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Post by LGH87 on May 17, 2023 8:47:59 GMT
Sick of seeing clubs who have been below us for the last 10 years, now overtaking us and being very forward thinking and innovative.
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Post by topcat on May 17, 2023 8:48:55 GMT
That's more like it See you next season old chum I'll bring some loose change to put into those transfer fund collection buckets if they're still going at the SOL. Away supporters are banned from bringing coins into the stadium, but I appreciate the sentiment
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Post by topcat on May 17, 2023 8:50:31 GMT
To be fair, the people behind the scenes at Sunderland haven't made many mistakes recently. But apparently serious talk of chopping Mowbray looks ridiculous. They will be a different team next year without Diallo though. Aye, it's a worrying situation for the fans - the vast majority love Mowbray, he's an excellent fit for the club but it appears they are looking longer term. It has the potential to back fire massively We will definitely miss Amad Diallo, but we've won games without him and it's a chance for others to step up.
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Post by topcat on May 17, 2023 8:52:03 GMT
Hard on Sunderland. Great club with amazing fans but Luton are on to something special and there was no stopping then tonight. As are Coventry. Fascinating few days ahead. We just couldn't live with their physicality - 6'4" lads up against midget midfielders being asked to play in defence. Credit to them, they know their jobs and they execute their gameplan. I wouldn't want to watch that style of hoofball every week, but it's working for them and fair play. might have been a different game if Batth, Ballard & Stewart had been available
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Post by lordb on May 17, 2023 9:26:26 GMT
Hard on Sunderland. Great club with amazing fans but Luton are on to something special and there was no stopping then tonight. As are Coventry. Fascinating few days ahead. We just couldn't live with their physicality - 6'4" lads up against midget midfielders being asked to play in defence. Credit to them, they know their jobs and they execute their gameplan. I wouldn't want to watch that style of hoofball every week, but it's working for them and fair play. might have been a different game if Batth, Ballard & Stewart had been available This is a key reason I think Luton will lose at Wembley Boro and Cov have centre backs available Simply pumping it in, which is all Luton did(or needed to do) isn't going to be enough
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Post by mattythestokie on May 17, 2023 10:29:19 GMT
We just couldn't live with their physicality - 6'4" lads up against midget midfielders being asked to play in defence. Credit to them, they know their jobs and they execute their gameplan. I wouldn't want to watch that style of hoofball every week, but it's working for them and fair play. might have been a different game if Batth, Ballard & Stewart had been available This is a key reason I think Luton will lose at Wembley Boro and Cov have centre backs available Simply pumping it in, which is all Luton did(or needed to do) isn't going to be enough Would be amazed if they weren’t hugely exposed. Their lack of actual quality will surely be there to see at Wembley.
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Post by onepara on May 17, 2023 10:48:22 GMT
Yes, Sunderland are definitely the better footballing team. They just got bullied by a bigger team. That's what's needed in this Division, some football & some bullying. Recruit the footballers once you are promoted, & going to the Prem.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2023 10:52:43 GMT
This is a key reason I think Luton will lose at Wembley Boro and Cov have centre backs available Simply pumping it in, which is all Luton did(or needed to do) isn't going to be enough Would be amazed if they weren’t hugely exposed. Their lack of actual quality will surely be there to see at Wembley. I wish we were as good as them.
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Post by theonlooker on May 17, 2023 11:01:12 GMT
Injuries aside, Mowbray just can't deal with direct sides and hasn't been able to for years at this level. Last night no different.
Just like last night after the match, his stock position is to bemoan how another team plays, criticise their direct play then drops in the usual "we don't like to play that way" bullshit.
If he dropped his faux nu-football arsehole routine he'd be a good bloke to have on your side. I'd be embarrassed with some of the utter horseshit he comes out with.
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Post by wuzza on May 17, 2023 11:04:23 GMT
I rarely watch non Stoke football these days but both these ties managed to capture my attention and I think both sets of supporters have plenty to be proud of and feel optimistic about. Luton’s rise is phenomenal and their team play with a strength and commitment that is a pleasure to witness. Sunderland are quite easy on the eye and have plenty of players who could have PL potential (I can’t remember thinking that about them for decades - if ever). Today’s developments probably display why AN wasn’t comfortable in the set up but there is a definite hint that their ownership have something about them and will be able to reset for next season. I hope Luton go on to complete the story - it would be good to see a few PL superstars having to toil their way around Kenilworth Road.
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Post by spiderpuss on May 17, 2023 11:06:07 GMT
To be fair, the people behind the scenes at Sunderland haven't made many mistakes recently. But apparently serious talk of chopping Mowbray looks ridiculous. They will be a different team next year without Diallo though. Don't suppose the crazy world of football should surprise us anymore. A 70+ year old replacing an up and coming manager at Palace, some old boy holding the reigns at Chelsea and Watford sacking somebody because there's a vowel in the month. Still crazy though and not very genuine. Most owners are coming across as knuts nowadays it has to be said.
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Post by flea79 on May 17, 2023 11:38:56 GMT
To be fair, the people behind the scenes at Sunderland haven't made many mistakes recently. But apparently serious talk of chopping Mowbray looks ridiculous. They will be a different team next year without Diallo though. Aye, it's a worrying situation for the fans - the vast majority love Mowbray, he's an excellent fit for the club but it appears they are looking longer term. It has the potential to back fire massively We will definitely miss Amad Diallo, but we've won games without him and it's a chance for others to step up. Saw this the other day being reported, makes you wonder if it wasn’t always the plan at the end of this season and maybe explains even more Alex Neil jumping ship
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Post by lordb on May 17, 2023 11:41:50 GMT
Would be amazed if they weren’t hugely exposed. Their lack of actual quality will surely be there to see at Wembley. I wish we were as good as them. Yes of course but this thread isn't about Stoke
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2023 12:18:47 GMT
I wish we were as good as them. Yes of course but this thread isn't about Stoke I get that. Just think it's a bit much Stoke fans talking about their lack of quality when they finished 3rd in the league and have been superb all season. A properly organised football team where everyone knows their jobs, no frills, just high tempo football which has got them punching above their weight. We can dream I suppose
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2023 12:37:05 GMT
I wish we were as good as them. Yes of course but this thread isn't about Stoke Admin needs to get a grip of these threads that are started as veiled attempts to slag Stoke off. In reality hardly any Stoke supporter I know gives a flying fuck about Sunderland or Luton. Most of the comments on these threads are basically look how bad we are compared to them. Look how well run they are, look how they run through a brick wall for the club...blah blah blah. Sunderland were a basket case not so long ago and Luton will vanish into obscurity again in the not to distant future. It's becoming really tedious. We all know it's been a shit show for about six seasons but saying the same things over and over again isn't going to solve anything.
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Post by mattythestokie on May 17, 2023 14:00:23 GMT
Yes of course but this thread isn't about Stoke I get that. Just think it's a bit much Stoke fans talking about their lack of quality when they finished 3rd in the league and have been superb all season. A properly organised football team where everyone knows their jobs, no frills, just high tempo football which has got them punching above their weight. We can dream I suppose You just said two different things there though haven’t you. One about quality and one about team work and effort. You can have a side without the most quality in a team and still finish high in the table of course. It’s just an observation that they’re not the team with the most quality in the side. It’s a compliment to there side and manager if anything. Look at Millwall when they played us this season at home. Arguably the worst team I’ve watched but it was coupled with a manager who knew what to do with the players he had to grind the win.
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