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Post by bloodtypered on May 3, 2023 19:35:00 GMT
....for a team going up to the prem.  Looking back, 10yrs was great achievement, when you look at forest etc....wish we could have evolved like Brighton though..... the new benchmark |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on May 3, 2023 19:38:00 GMT
I don't think Brighton (or Brentford) will stay uninterrupted in the Premier League for as long as we did.
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Post by scfc75 on May 3, 2023 19:40:39 GMT
....for a team going up to the prem. Looking back, 10yrs was great achievement, when you look at forest etc....wish we could have evolved like Brighton though..... the new benchmark We were the benchmark… no, it was Southampton… no, Leicester… or was it Swansea… or Palace…? I think for a time it was Wolves… what’s sure as shit, is that the current crop of Brentford and Brighton will be relegated at some point and the next ‘benchmark’ club will overtake them. |
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Post by bloodtypered on May 3, 2023 19:41:13 GMT
I don't think Brighton (or Brentford) will stay uninterrupted in the Premier League for as long as we did. I thought brighton had been in the prem longer than 2017  |
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Post by bloodtypered on May 3, 2023 19:44:34 GMT
....for a team going up to the prem. Looking back, 10yrs was great achievement, when you look at forest etc....wish we could have evolved like Brighton though..... the new benchmark We were the benchmark… no, it was Southampton… no, Leicester… or was it Swansea… or Palace…? I think for a time it was Wolves… what’s sure as shit, is that the current crop of Brentford and Brighton will be relegated at some point and the next ‘benchmark’ club will overtake them. It was more noticeable then that stoke were the benchmark in the media, for some reason |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on May 3, 2023 19:48:43 GMT
I don't think Brighton (or Brentford) will stay uninterrupted in the Premier League for as long as we did. I thought brighton had been in the prem longer than 2017 I thought it was less actually.  Still, they need 5 more seasons to beat us, which I don't think they'll do without a lot of luck. Even if they don't get relegated, I think they'll be down there battling to stay in the league. Maybe even next season, perhaps moreso if they progress in Europe. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 3, 2023 19:50:06 GMT
I thought brighton had been in the prem longer than 2017 I thought it was less actually. Still, they need 5 more seasons to beat us, which I don't think they'll do without a lot of luck. Even if they don't get relegated, I think they'll be down there battling to stay in the league. Maybe even next season, perhaps moreso if they progress in Europe. They’re an excellently run club that make correct decisions. They’ll be in the prem way longer than we were |
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Post by jokker on May 3, 2023 19:51:06 GMT
I think we were the blueprint more than the benchmark.
The reason was that the Coates family's involvement in business matters were considered top notch and the virtually no involvement in football matters was seen equally so. At least that's how certain journos saw it. But there were no clubs or owners who were able to adopt the blueprint, as it were.
Of course the minute the board did interfere with football matters (sacking Pulis) is when it all started going wrong. For a while Hughes' relative success papered over the cracks that occured, but he was just the writing on the wall.
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Post by chigstoke on May 3, 2023 19:51:39 GMT
Don't worry, we'll be a benchmark again soon.
Because on the current trajectory we're headed, it'll be a benchmark in how quickly you can relegate yourself to League 1 in a 46 game season.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2023 19:53:22 GMT
It's true. We were the first club ever to do a Charlton, apart from Birmingham & Middlesbrough of course.
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Post by Gods on May 3, 2023 19:58:22 GMT
We're now a benchmark for anyone aspiring to a lower mid-table championship finish.
'Want your season over before Xmas? Just check out what Stoke City are doing.'
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Post by PotterLog on May 3, 2023 20:33:05 GMT
I thought it was less actually. Still, they need 5 more seasons to beat us, which I don't think they'll do without a lot of luck. Even if they don't get relegated, I think they'll be down there battling to stay in the league. Maybe even next season, perhaps moreso if they progress in Europe. They’re an excellently run club that make correct decisions. They’ll be in the prem way longer than we were They'd be seriously bucking a trend if they do, the number of clubs (outside the obvious) that stay in the Prem more than ten years at a time is minuscule. The key is having a structure in place to be in a position to bounce back (which they probably do and we certainly didn't) |
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 3, 2023 20:40:09 GMT
....for a team going up to the prem. Looking back, 10yrs was great achievement, when you look at forest etc....wish we could have evolved like Brighton though..... the new benchmark Yeah, then it was Southampton. Then Leicester. Now it’s Brentford and Brighton. Let’s see how long their good spell lasts. We got 9-10 years and had a better run at it than most clubs our size. The fact we spunked it all away so easily and seemingly so willingly is the frustrating bit. |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on May 3, 2023 21:08:33 GMT
Seems a fucking lifetime ago to be honest.
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Post by danceswithclams on May 3, 2023 21:37:28 GMT
I think we were the blueprint more than the benchmark. The reason was that the Coates family's involvement in business matters were considered top notch and the virtually no involvement in football matters was seen equally so. At least that's how certain journos saw it. But there were no clubs or owners who were able to adopt the blueprint, as it were. Of course the minute the board did interfere with football matters (sacking Pulis) is when it all started going wrong. For a while Hughes' relative success papered over the cracks that occured, but he was just the writing on the wall. Prince Andrew 'Best Selective Memory' Award winner 2023. |
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Post by Goonie on May 3, 2023 21:52:22 GMT
So we're Leicester
Unforgiving league if you have one poor season
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Post by thevoid on May 3, 2023 22:58:42 GMT
I'm almost certain that one of the reasons The Family started preaching self sufficiency was them seeing Brighton, Burnley and Huddersfield being promoted and thinking 'these wunna last'.
(OK Huddersfield didn't last long term but they survived the year we went down).
Leicester is a really strange one, I knew they wouldn't keep challenging for top four but I didn't expect them to become relegation contenders so quickly. But before anyone has a dig at their foreign owners, no one will ever take those trophies and memories off them, relegation or not
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Post by PotterLog on May 3, 2023 23:48:15 GMT
So we're Leicester Unforgiving league if you have one poor season Unfortunately we never have “one poor season”. We have inexorable, years- (or even decades-) long slides. There’s a reason we never yo-yo, we’re an oil tanker that takes 15 years to turn around while speedboats like Brighton, Brentford, Fulham, Burnley etc dip and dive around us |
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Post by leicspotter on May 4, 2023 8:54:13 GMT
Brighton, when they made the PL, stated that Stoke City were the side they wanted to emulate...they may have revised that objective more recently  |
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Post by nottsover60 on May 4, 2023 9:15:36 GMT
I'm almost certain that one of the reasons The Family started preaching self sufficiency was them seeing Brighton, Burnley and Huddersfield being promoted and thinking 'these wunna last'. (OK Huddersfield didn't last long term but they survived the year we went down). Leicester is a really strange one, I knew they wouldn't keep challenging for top four but I didn't expect them to become relegation contenders so quickly. But before anyone has a dig at their foreign owners, no one will ever take those trophies and memories off them, relegation or not Leicester relied for far too long on Vardy. He was almost unstoppable the year they were champions. Even now their hopes of avoiding relegation rest on keeping him fit enough to play every game. He is irreplaceable and they did well or were lucky to find him and for him to become such a good player and stick with him. |
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Post by thevoid on May 4, 2023 10:21:26 GMT
Brighton, when they made the PL, stated that Stoke City were the side they wanted to emulate...they may have revised that objective more recently They could quite easily have stuck with Chris Hughton for a season or two more while they bedded in but they took the plunge. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2023 10:52:57 GMT
We got there by spending money and stayed there by a mixture of spending money and luck for the most part.
The 'Stoke are the benchmark' as I remember it was more aimed at play style at the time, the theory that playing shithouse football and staying solid defensively was the best way to stay in the league.
Things move on, and the longevity of Brighton and Brentford will be entirely dependent on whether they move with the times and adapt their models, or do what we do and keep trying the same thing forever.
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Post by banksy1art on May 4, 2023 11:47:00 GMT
10 years was a fantastic although we could have kicked on with the money we have
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Post by kerouac on May 4, 2023 12:16:03 GMT
From benchmark to skidmark in the blink of an eye…..
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Post by thevoid on May 4, 2023 13:33:08 GMT
I think we were the blueprint more than the benchmark. The reason was that the Coates family's involvement in business matters were considered top notch and the virtually no involvement in football matters was seen equally so. At least that's how certain journos saw it. But there were no clubs or owners who were able to adopt the blueprint, as it were. Of course the minute the board did interfere with football matters (sacking Pulis) is when it all started going wrong. For a while Hughes' relative success papered over the cracks that occured, but he was just the writing on the wall. Revisionist bollocks |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on May 4, 2023 15:21:01 GMT
I thought it was less actually. Still, they need 5 more seasons to beat us, which I don't think they'll do without a lot of luck. Even if they don't get relegated, I think they'll be down there battling to stay in the league. Maybe even next season, perhaps moreso if they progress in Europe. They’re an excellently run club that make correct decisions. They’ll be in the prem way longer than we were Stoke were perceived to be a very well-run club for a long time (and actually still are in many circles). I don't think it's as simple as "correct" decisions either, but we'll see! |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on May 4, 2023 15:26:01 GMT
Palace seem to be managing very well
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Post by palerider on May 4, 2023 18:32:44 GMT
Our benchmark now is to finish above 14th
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Post by bloodtypered on May 5, 2023 8:04:22 GMT
Palace seem to be managing very well Yes, theyve scraped it a few times....dont know how long theyve been in the prem? |
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Post by matelot1996 on May 5, 2023 14:42:29 GMT
I don't think Brighton (or Brentford) will stay uninterrupted in the Premier League for as long as we did. You could have also said the same about Leeds. Most thought they would go on to restore some of their previous glories. Now they are on the verge of relegation again. I would not of predicted that last year! A season is a very long time. |
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