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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 29, 2023 18:52:58 GMT
I'm not sure what the alternative is to backing him fully this summer though. Given the scale of the rebuild needed, half-measures won't cut it and we can't be half pregnant. He either stays or goes. Has he done enough to earn the trust? No - but at least he knows where the dead bodies in the squad are buried (everywhere!) We have to back him, cross our fingers he knows what he's doing, and give him until Christmas at least.
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Post by FrankButcher on Apr 29, 2023 18:53:21 GMT
I’m not entirely confident or convinced in Neil I just fear that he’ll be another manager in a long list since relegation that have had a chance to rebuild and ends up being sacked a quarter of the way into the season then another manager has very little tools to work with and a squad that isn’t his. If the club had an identity and philosophy of how they want the team to play and what kind of players to recruit we’d be in a far better place to deal with these situations take brighton and brentford as examples they get managers poached and they are able to identify a target they come in and are able to build on what has already been done and doesn’t completely need to build from scratch. The whole club still has a malaise that continues to cripple it and will continue to do so until it’s remedied.
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Post by wakeypotter on Apr 29, 2023 18:56:00 GMT
I'm surprised that he seems to still get off scoff free and people still believe the "it's the players and everyone but me to blame" attitude. The 10 months prior to Alex Neil being appointed were diabolical. But somehow Alex Neil has managed to achieve less points in the 39 league games he's overseen compared to the 39 before. And if Watford win next week then the PPG from the 6 games before AN took over will be higher than the 40 games he's overseen this season. Standards have dropped significantly and it seems the managers still the last to be held accountable. He’s definitely accountable I mean he started with 5 at the back which I just don’t understand. Negative is a understatement
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Post by nonameface on Apr 29, 2023 18:56:52 GMT
Take a look at what a very bland Mowbray is doing at Sunderland. Today he played two centre midfielders at centre half and played a back four against Keinan Davis, and is on the verge of taking a side that has been without it's talisman for most of the season, and more recently most of it's centre halves into the play offs. Neil shits himself and plays a back 5 against Cardiff and QPR. Both managers are managing teams that 'arent theirs' but Mowbray didn't have the luxury of bringing in as many players as Neil did in January. He's massively, massively under performed. He certainly has underperformed but I really believe there is a culture problem from the previous regime and possibly players playing who have already been told to find another club. Now I’m not one to keep changing managers as in all walks of like it can take time to change a culture within a team and sometimes longer than you think. I have lots of personal experience in this field. Sometimes I’ve been able to change things in weeks and sometimes it’s been a year or more. I don’t think it’s a stretch to apply the same logic to a football team. So for me he gets 10-15 games next season then review it The poor performing culture where we finished higher, got more points, developed players to sell and where the players generally liked the manager? O'Neil was an excellent manager for us when the biggest priority was survival and improve to our FFP position. This window is a behemoth, we've as close to a restart of a football squad as you could get, but it's more change than you'd ideally like. If Neil gets this window (I feel he should get the window, the purple patch football was as dominant as I can remember us having in my lifetime), we need to give him 2-3 years to deliver. The risk is he's going to encourage the board to have more short termism, such is his conviction he can correct this. Which if the gets it wrong probably knocks us back 3 years.
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Post by iamstokie on Apr 29, 2023 18:57:12 GMT
I'm not sure what the alternative is to backing him fully this summer though. Given the scale of the rebuild needed, half-measures won't cut it and we can't be half pregnant. He either stays or goes. Has he done enough to earn the trust? No - but at least he knows where the dead bodies in the squad are buried (everywhere!) We have to back him, cross our fingers he knows what he's doing, and give him until Christmas at least. nooo , he’s proven he’s not the man to do it , we can’t carry on with the clueless idiot
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Post by stokerstayinup on Apr 29, 2023 18:57:56 GMT
After the last 4 home performances🤔 Our tactic seems to be to launch it diagonally to either wing back and hope for the best. The summer will be massive and I’d personally get rid of the majority of players and start from scratch Beginning!? Fuck me you've got some patience. Just fuck him off,the last thing we need is another Rowett situation.
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Post by desman2 on Apr 29, 2023 19:04:32 GMT
It seems that we had the purple patch when we could possibly still get a play off place but once that had gone its as though we just gave up altogether. Even the loan players still had a reason to perform well not just for their own clubs but for the chance to get a deal here or elsewhere. Something went seriously wrong and it needs rooting out.
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 29, 2023 19:07:10 GMT
We have to back him, cross our fingers he knows what he's doing, and give him until Christmas at least. nooo , he’s proven he’s not the man to do it , we can’t carry on with the clueless idiot To be fair, given the garbage that constitutes our squad, I honestly don't think Pep would get us much higher in the table. Neil isn't to blame for the pile of absolute horse manure we have on the books, and the players he's brought in have generally been better than what's already in the building (not hard, admittedly).
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Post by sealion100 on Apr 29, 2023 19:07:55 GMT
Agree, if he left or got sacked tomorrow I couldn’t care either way, however...... the players for me have got to shoulder most of the blame Utterly useless..... from start to finish , ALL have been disappointing (Mainly the strikers for me)
Would keep Wilmot and Laurent out of current players and add Pearson of the loanees
20 new players and a new coach Please
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Apr 29, 2023 19:08:14 GMT
I’m still minded to give him a chance to get in his own players but fuck me watching this is torturous
Terrible formation shite subs and leaving that donkey Tymon on the pitch makes it increasingly difficult to see positives
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Apr 29, 2023 19:11:35 GMT
I would sack him this week & offer Graham Potter the job give him what he wants & let him build the club up. It needs to be done quick as he will not be short of offers come the summer.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Apr 29, 2023 19:13:19 GMT
Most home defeats in a season since the infamous '85 season and people are happy giving him 20m+ to spend. We had 87% possession in the 1st half today and didn't have 1 fkn shot.
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Post by stokesaint1 on Apr 29, 2023 19:16:10 GMT
I'm afraid I have reached the point of zero confidence in Neil's ability to turn this situation around. We can make all the excuses for him but the home form alone has been so bad that I am amazed he is still in a job. I can only think that Coates is too embarassed to get rid of another manager and admitting he got it wrong once again. Without the five game purple patch, we would be fighting it out for that third relegation spot. Unfortunately the season is 46 games long and playing well in 5 of them is just totally unacceptable. Blame the players but a manager reverting to a 5 at the back system, that we are totally incapable of and not equipped to play, is just plain barmy. I gave him a D in my end of term report last week, after witnessing the same old home form crap again today, I'd like to revise that to an E. I said must do better, now I genuinely worry that he cannot. I know he isn't going anywhere, I just pray I am wrong and that the club and particularly Neil can sort it all out over the next 3 months or so, ready for next season. And just an editted post script. We are still 2 points short of our worst ever points haul since being relegated back to the Championship, with just an away trip at Watford to go.
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 29, 2023 19:16:48 GMT
Most home defeats in a season since the infamous '85 season and people are happy giving him 20m+ to spend. We had 87% possession in the 1st half today and didn't have 1 fkn shot. Must admit a few weeks ago (like most people) I was getting quite excited. I'm now confused.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 29, 2023 19:21:56 GMT
The option is backing him or ripping it all up and starting again.
The latter option on the face seems the better one as things stand.
But it’s not going to happen and he does need a full season really I guess.
But he left tomorrow who would care?
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 29, 2023 19:22:54 GMT
I would sack him this week & offer Graham Potter the job give him what he wants & let him build the club up. It needs to be done quick as he will not be short of offers come the summer. Potter certainly needs cheering up after everything he's been through. Us offering him a job will give him a right old chuckle, no doubt.
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Post by chad on Apr 29, 2023 19:23:37 GMT
We’ve got to be sceptical but I look at what we did in that purple patch and say we just have to give him a full season
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Post by bunnyscfc on Apr 29, 2023 19:23:54 GMT
The club needs to rip it up and start again - a five year plan to get promotion and be sustainable. Instead, we'll appoint a new dour, UK manager again, with zero accountability, and we keep repeating the cycle until we go down to Div 1
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Post by jeycov on Apr 29, 2023 19:24:06 GMT
A good pre season with 5 or 6 decent signings and we’ll be pissing this tin pot League. Dunna werrit and enjoy the summer😀 Yeah, dunner werrit, he's got 10 mint loan signings lined up. Who’ll want to come here?
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Post by onepara on Apr 29, 2023 19:24:17 GMT
I was hoping that this Manager was going to be the one to get us moving. Watching that today, plus his negative mindset, I'm not sure. He seems frightened of losing, so he sets the team up to defend, but still loses. The only positive to keeping him, is as someone said, he knows who to move out of the Club. So there is an argument for letting him build his own squad. Quandary, I'm 86, & I've been following this Club since the 1940's. How long do I have to wait to see this team of ours successful again? I can't afford the time it takes to rebuild. But then again, what's the choice? It's in the blood, so I've renewed again. Stick with it lads. It'll come good.
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Post by matelot1996 on Apr 29, 2023 19:25:51 GMT
I have said it many times before. SCFC is a safe haven for players, managers, coaches, CEOs who (if they feel like) are allowed to fester, tread water, embarrass themselves or even down tools. There is simply no tangible ethos or value system at this club. There is no requirement to be a good player or ambassador for the club in order to get a shirt. Low standards or no standards at all are acceptable and even shielded from criticism. This is a club in steady but definite decline. I am not looking forward to next Season with or without AN.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Apr 29, 2023 19:26:24 GMT
Most home defeats in a season since the infamous '85 season and people are happy giving him 20m+ to spend. We had 87% possession in the 1st half today and didn't have 1 fkn shot. Must admit a few weeks ago (like most people) I was getting quite excited. I'm now confused. That 5 game spell was joyous and looking back,utterly bizarre. As a big backer of horses back in the day,part of me is holding out that Neil is doing a Prescott and getting us right under the radar.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 29, 2023 19:26:42 GMT
The option is backing him or ripping it all up and starting again. The latter option on the face seems the better one as things stand. But it’s not going to happen and he does need a full season really I guess. But he left tomorrow who would care? In a nutshell. I don't think many would be against opening the mystery box and blowing it all up again, and Neil couldn't have any massive complaints in this bonkers environment. But it's so obviously not going to happen here, and it is only fair to give him the chance to see what he can do with a focal point who isn't Dwight Gayle and a few of his own players.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Apr 29, 2023 19:26:52 GMT
A culture of back slappers, mates, and those who don't mind losing
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 29, 2023 19:27:03 GMT
Whoever is manager during the transfer window must be given the season to show what he can do with them. After today I am convinced that manager should not be Alex Neil. What has he done since August to prove he is the man to build a squad and then get them playing? I get the same vibes from the players that I got when Jones was manager - they don't like playing for him and are not sure that his tactics work. It is very strange that a team which looked to have found it's confidence two months ago is so bereft of confidence now and that is down to Neil. Why has he changed formation since Wilmot got injured? Why have Tymon and Gayle been given so much playing time? Why when Sarcic is allegedly fit have we persisted with Bonham? What on earth has happened to Tuanzebe who managed three consecutive appearances in March, picked up a minor injury in training and hasn't been seen since?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2023 19:28:05 GMT
He's clearly lost this group of players. The question is. is it by design
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 29, 2023 19:28:55 GMT
Yeah, dunner werrit, he's got 10 mint loan signings lined up. Who’ll want to come here? I was taking the mickey. We had more loanees after the Jan window than we could play. 10 would leave half of them sitting in the stands each week.
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Post by bloodtypered on Apr 29, 2023 19:32:25 GMT
Still believe hes one of the best managers ....certainly in the championship. He hasnt had the players to do what he wants...you can see on the sidelines hes frustrated with the players too.
Im confident next season will be a lot better if he gets his players in (and out)
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Post by loosestools on Apr 29, 2023 19:33:16 GMT
I am definitely not looking forward to next season. A manager who continues to play World War One trench warfare against machine guns. Barmy.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 29, 2023 19:34:03 GMT
I have said it many times before. SCFC is a safe haven for players, managers, coaches, CEOs who (if they feel like) are allowed to fester, tread water, embarrass themselves or even down tools. There is simply no tangible ethos or value system at this club. There is no requirement to be a good player or ambassador for the club in order to get a shirt. Low standards or no standards at all are acceptable and even shielded from criticism. This is a club in steady but definite decline. I am not looking forward to next Season with or without AN. Agree today had all the Halmarks of an absolutely catastrophic season to come no plan , load of players leaving , no engagement between manager and players and supporters .Tailspin accelerating is all one can see on the horizon
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