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Post by Kingswaystokie on Apr 29, 2023 15:02:58 GMT
And not ONE shot, beggars belief.
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Post by hardcastle on Apr 29, 2023 18:31:36 GMT
Three shots l think. Smallbone freekick, Tymon from the left and Campbell over the bar.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Apr 29, 2023 18:33:04 GMT
Effort and application of the players, end of
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Post by stokeuk474 on Apr 29, 2023 19:15:26 GMT
I'm sick to the back teeth of pass, pass, pass just for the sake of it. We go nowhere, it isn't progressive and gets people wound up.
It's got to the point now where people are scared to pass forward for fear of giving it away. So they pass it sideways or back instead. Cowards.
We need people who are prepared to be brave and get on the ball.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Apr 29, 2023 19:22:06 GMT
They wouldn’t break down a kids sandcastle
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 29, 2023 19:30:21 GMT
We had 2 shots on target.
The Laurent header that was saved and the Campbell toe poked follow up that was blocked.
Still rubbish for 80% possession.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Apr 29, 2023 19:31:47 GMT
82% possession.
80% of that was between Fox, Taylor and Jagielka
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Post by redstriper on Apr 29, 2023 21:04:05 GMT
that game epitomises the season and should have removed any remaining doubts about what the problem is.
80% possession and the worst dribbling starts in the division, we simply have nobody who can make something happen or in most cases, is willing to even try.
one other stat from this game, QPR had 8 of their starting 11 causing delays in the match through "injury" - cynical, shocking anti football, anti entertainment, something needs to be done.
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Post by numpty40 on Apr 29, 2023 21:11:38 GMT
that game epitomises the season and should have removed any remaining doubts about what the problem is. 80% possession and the worst dribbling starts in the division, we simply have nobody who can make something happen or in most cases, is willing to even try. one other stat from this game, QPR had 8 of their starting 11 causing delays in the match through "injury" - cynical, shocking anti football, anti entertainment, something needs to be done. Absolutely agree with this. The sheer blatant time wasting in most games I've seen this season really needs a major assessment before next season, it's genuinely ruining the game. |
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Post by loosestools on Apr 29, 2023 21:14:52 GMT
that game epitomises the season and should have removed any remaining doubts about what the problem is. 80% possession and the worst dribbling starts in the division, we simply have nobody who can make something happen or in most cases, is willing to even try. one other stat from this game, QPR had 8 of their starting 11 causing delays in the match through "injury" - cynical, shocking anti football, anti entertainment, something needs to be done. Absolutely agree with this. The sheer blatant time wasting in most games I've seen this season really needs a major assessment before next season, it's genuinely ruining the game. They were making sure that they stayed up. That's shite Championship football for you. We need to go out and smash teams before it gets to that inevitable stage. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2023 21:47:24 GMT
We have too much possession because we move the ball too slowly and are too negative.
If we move the ball even slower and with even more negative intent , we could get up to 90 per cent and lose 5 nil
Just before the goal , smallbone has the ball in their half , doesn't look over his shoulder, doesn't spin his man ...an easy slow no pressure pass back to a Stoke player to pass it back to another Stoke player to pass in back to Bonham... yawn yawn
We are slowly slowly moving the ball away from the goal we are meant to be attacking to the one QPR are attacking
And they happily let us do that .
If we play even more cautious negative slow football we can probably get up to 90 per cent possession and get relegated
Our football is stupid , tedious and losing.
We are heading for gates of about ten thousand if we keep this up .
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 29, 2023 23:54:47 GMT
We had 2 shots on target. The Laurent header that was saved and the Campbell toe poked follow up that was blocked. Still rubbish for 80% possession. And the Tymon shot which the gk got his fingers to to stop going in but the ref gave a gk. Not that we'd have scored from a corner so perhaps he was just saving us the wasted time of taking one. Not complaining about the officials today at all though they were about the best things on the pitch. |
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Post by march4 on Apr 30, 2023 0:03:03 GMT
We had 2 shots on target. The Laurent header that was saved and the Campbell toe poked follow up that was blocked. Still rubbish for 80% possession. And the Tymon shot which the gk got his fingers to to stop going in but the ref gave a gk. Not that we'd have scored from a corner so perhaps he was just saving us the wasted time of taking one. Not complaining about the officials today at all though they were about the best things on the pitch. Exactly - best officials we’ve had all season. |
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 30, 2023 0:25:55 GMT
82% possession. 80% of that was between Fox, Taylor and Jagielka It’s why I don’t like “possession football”. Your midfielders should have more of the ball than your defenders. They should look to pass forwards, not backwards. As soon as QPR came out in the second half, I just knew we’d lose. They came out looking interested in scoring and we never understand how to deal with that after the break. |
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Post by fraybentos on Apr 30, 2023 4:48:52 GMT
And not ONE shot, beggars belief. I knew the outcome when the ball kept going to Fox and he was our outlet from the back |
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Post by callas12 on Apr 30, 2023 6:26:33 GMT
I'd be interested to see how much of that 82% possession was actually in our own half?! 🤔🤔
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Post by raythesailor on Apr 30, 2023 9:34:44 GMT
We consistently have better possession stats but they are no value when we have such a poor attacking threat.
As mentioned elsewhere it's just awful.
If these rumors about Campbell and Everton are true we should snap their hand off and include Gayle for free.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 30, 2023 9:36:54 GMT
We had 2 shots on target. The Laurent header that was saved and the Campbell toe poked follow up that was blocked. Still rubbish for 80% possession. And the Tymon shot which the gk got his fingers to to stop going in but the ref gave a gk. Not that we'd have scored from a corner so perhaps he was just saving us the wasted time of taking one. Not complaining about the officials today at all though they were about the best things on the pitch. Yes I forgot about the Tymon ‘effort’. The BBC obviously didn’t count it as the ref gave a goal kick so technically it wasn’t on target. Either way it wasn’t ‘not one shot’ as the OP stated. Not that I’m claiming three is good you understand just factually accurate. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 30, 2023 9:41:01 GMT
82% possession. 80% of that was between Fox, Taylor and Jagielka It’s why I don’t like “possession football”. Your midfielders should have more of the ball than your defenders. They should look to pass forwards, not backwards. As soon as QPR came out in the second half, I just knew we’d lose. They came out looking interested in scoring and we never understand how to deal with that after the break. How many times has Neil said exactly that this season though? "We have to move the ball forward quickly" is one of the things he always says which implies that for the last six games they have not been following his demands. It also probably shows how important Wilmot is to moving the ball forward. I am sorry but Taklor still doesn't convince me. He can carry the ball forward but then tries to block the ball past defenders and he dither on every pass he makes. I felt sorry for him at times because he was obviously looking for a pass and nothing was on. Unlike Wilmot he won't try a low percentage pass so yesterday he started trying to turn towards his own goal, a very dangerous manoeuvre, if a forward nicks it you are immediately wrong side. I said out loud after twenty minutes that we were going to lose because we had loads of space and loads of possession but hadn't created anything and we always lose those games 1 - 0. I felt it after ten minutes to be honest. Unless we get an early goal against these type of teams we just go deeper and deeper as the game progresses. I kept shouting at Tymon in front of us to just run with it like he used to but he kept passing back to Fox to put in a diagonal cross. QPR were loving it. I had hoped that the dread of going on a lap of appreciation around an empty or angry stadium might galvanise them but they weren't bothered. I'm glad Neil made them do it - about the best decision he made all afternoon. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 30, 2023 9:48:49 GMT
It’s why I don’t like “possession football”. Your midfielders should have more of the ball than your defenders. They should look to pass forwards, not backwards. As soon as QPR came out in the second half, I just knew we’d lose. They came out looking interested in scoring and we never understand how to deal with that after the break. How many times has Neil said exactly that this season though? "We have to move the ball forward quickly" is one of the things he always says which implies that for the last six games they have not been following his demands. It also probably shows how important Wilmot is to moving the ball forward. I am sorry but Taklor still doesn't convince me. He can carry the ball forward but then tries to block the ball past defenders and he dither on every pass he makes. I felt sorry for him at times because he was obviously looking for a pass and nothing was on. Unlike Wilmot he won't try a low percentage pass so yesterday he started trying to turn towards his own goal, a very dangerous manoeuvre, if a forward nicks it you are immediately wrong side. I said out loud after twenty minutes that we were going to lose because we had loads of space and loads of possession but hadn't created anything and we always lose those games 1 - 0. I felt it after ten minutes to be honest. Unless we get an early goal against these type of teams we just go deeper and deeper as the game progresses. I kept shouting at Tymon in front of us to just run with it like he used to but he kept passing back to Fox to put in a diagonal cross. QPR were loving it. I had hoped that the dread of going on a lap of appreciation around an empty or angry stadium might galvanise them but they weren't bothered. I'm glad Neil made them do it - about the best decision he made all afternoon. The ridiculous thing about Tymon for me was that after about 10 minutes their right back (who was shit and slow btw) was on a yellow card. At no point after that did Tymon (or anyone else for that matter) run at him to try and commit him into making a tackle of any sort to lure him into other fouls or pull out because he was frightened of a second booking. NOT ONCE. The ball should have gone to Tymon high up the pitch every time we had it. We are either brain dead or don’t give a shit. Or probably both. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 30, 2023 9:54:36 GMT
that game epitomises the season and should have removed any remaining doubts about what the problem is. 80% possession and the worst dribbling starts in the division, we simply have nobody who can make something happen or in most cases, is willing to even try. one other stat from this game, QPR had 8 of their starting 11 causing delays in the match through "injury" - cynical, shocking anti football, anti entertainment, something needs to be done. Pity it can't proved that a player is time wasting,so if he is down for say 6 mins,he must leave the field for 6 mins. |
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Post by a on Apr 30, 2023 9:58:27 GMT
627 passes vs 161
523 completed vs 75
Funny how playing fucking 5 at the back only yields 2 shots on target out of all that.
Learn the lesson Alex Neil!
Never again!
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 30, 2023 10:02:04 GMT
How many times has Neil said exactly that this season though? "We have to move the ball forward quickly" is one of the things he always says which implies that for the last six games they have not been following his demands. It also probably shows how important Wilmot is to moving the ball forward. I am sorry but Taklor still doesn't convince me. He can carry the ball forward but then tries to block the ball past defenders and he dither on every pass he makes. I felt sorry for him at times because he was obviously looking for a pass and nothing was on. Unlike Wilmot he won't try a low percentage pass so yesterday he started trying to turn towards his own goal, a very dangerous manoeuvre, if a forward nicks it you are immediately wrong side. I said out loud after twenty minutes that we were going to lose because we had loads of space and loads of possession but hadn't created anything and we always lose those games 1 - 0. I felt it after ten minutes to be honest. Unless we get an early goal against these type of teams we just go deeper and deeper as the game progresses. I kept shouting at Tymon in front of us to just run with it like he used to but he kept passing back to Fox to put in a diagonal cross. QPR were loving it. I had hoped that the dread of going on a lap of appreciation around an empty or angry stadium might galvanise them but they weren't bothered. I'm glad Neil made them do it - about the best decision he made all afternoon. The ridiculous thing about Tymon for me was that after about 10 minutes their right back (who was shit and slow btw) was on a yellow card. At no point after that did Tymon (or anyone else for that matter) run at him to try and commit him into making a tackle of any sort to lure him into other fouls or pull out because he was frightened of a second booking. NOT ONCE. The ball should have gone to Tymon high up the pitch every time we had it. We are either brain dead or don’t give a shit. Or probably both. I'd not realised that, making Tymon's display even more puzzling unless they were deliberately not doing what Neil had asked of them. Tymon's natural game is to run to the line and cross or cut in and shoot not always effectively but he did neither yesterday. I think possession football has it's place against teams that an hurt you with the ball but if anyone can explain to me why we would choose to play it against a team willing to give us as much possession as we like I would be grateful. Do we think that because they are waiting for us to make a mistake we should go safe rather than risk losing the ball. The only way to beat these teams in my opinion is to attack quickly, running and trying to get past the first man to pull another player out of position. Campbell, Tymon and Hoever can all do that but only tried it on the very odd occasion. |
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 30, 2023 10:04:24 GMT
It’s why I don’t like “possession football”. Your midfielders should have more of the ball than your defenders. They should look to pass forwards, not backwards. As soon as QPR came out in the second half, I just knew we’d lose. They came out looking interested in scoring and we never understand how to deal with that after the break. How many times has Neil said exactly that this season though? "We have to move the ball forward quickly" is one of the things he always says which implies that for the last six games they have not been following his demands. It also probably shows how important Wilmot is to moving the ball forward. I am sorry but Taklor still doesn't convince me. He can carry the ball forward but then tries to block the ball past defenders and he dither on every pass he makes. I felt sorry for him at times because he was obviously looking for a pass and nothing was on. Unlike Wilmot he won't try a low percentage pass so yesterday he started trying to turn towards his own goal, a very dangerous manoeuvre, if a forward nicks it you are immediately wrong side. I said out loud after twenty minutes that we were going to lose because we had loads of space and loads of possession but hadn't created anything and we always lose those games 1 - 0. I felt it after ten minutes to be honest. Unless we get an early goal against these type of teams we just go deeper and deeper as the game progresses. I kept shouting at Tymon in front of us to just run with it like he used to but he kept passing back to Fox to put in a diagonal cross. QPR were loving it. I had hoped that the dread of going on a lap of appreciation around an empty or angry stadium might galvanise them but they weren't bothered. I'm glad Neil made them do it - about the best decision he made all afternoon. He can say it all he likes but if he can’t get the team to do it then he’s managing them poorly. I’m not surprised that Tymon looked poor. He’s not really played that much this season, has been in and out of the team, and was probably struggling for confidence. If someone offers any money for him next season, I expect him to leave. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 30, 2023 13:21:25 GMT
How many times has Neil said exactly that this season though? "We have to move the ball forward quickly" is one of the things he always says which implies that for the last six games they have not been following his demands. It also probably shows how important Wilmot is to moving the ball forward. I am sorry but Taklor still doesn't convince me. He can carry the ball forward but then tries to block the ball past defenders and he dither on every pass he makes. I felt sorry for him at times because he was obviously looking for a pass and nothing was on. Unlike Wilmot he won't try a low percentage pass so yesterday he started trying to turn towards his own goal, a very dangerous manoeuvre, if a forward nicks it you are immediately wrong side. I said out loud after twenty minutes that we were going to lose because we had loads of space and loads of possession but hadn't created anything and we always lose those games 1 - 0. I felt it after ten minutes to be honest. Unless we get an early goal against these type of teams we just go deeper and deeper as the game progresses. I kept shouting at Tymon in front of us to just run with it like he used to but he kept passing back to Fox to put in a diagonal cross. QPR were loving it. I had hoped that the dread of going on a lap of appreciation around an empty or angry stadium might galvanise them but they weren't bothered. I'm glad Neil made them do it - about the best decision he made all afternoon. He can say it all he likes but if he can’t get the team to do it then he’s managing them poorly. I’m not surprised that Tymon looked poor. He’s not really played that much this season, has been in and out of the team, and was probably struggling for confidence. If someone offers any money for him next season, I expect him to leave. I'd let him go for nowt,along with Gayle,Fox, Bonham,Jags,Thomson, & Powell, |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2023 13:48:58 GMT
I'd be similarly annoyed with how slow our build-up was but at the end of the day, what more can we do against a solid block when we're building through a back line of a league 1 keeper, a 40 year old, a technically poor squad player and a young kid in his first Championship season?
Our best build up this season was with similarly patient play, but Wilmot and Tuanzebe can pick passes that others can't. While they play switches or line-breaking passes, Fox does yet another 10 yard pass to a double-marked Tymon and expects him to somehow do something with it.
Laurent, Smallbone, and even Campbell got into positions to receive through the lines and they simply can't play or see those passes.
Not much point hoofing it, either, when they have 3 big defenders and we have only 2 strikers fit and available, both under 6 foot tall.
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Post by Veritas on Apr 30, 2023 15:06:58 GMT
I'd be similarly annoyed with how slow our build-up was but at the end of the day, what more can we do against a solid block when we're building through a back line of a league 1 keeper, a 40 year old, a technically poor squad player and a young kid in his first Championship season? Our best build up this season was with similarly patient play, but Wilmot and Tuanzebe can pick passes that others can't. While they play switches or line-breaking passes, Fox does yet another 10 yard pass to a double-marked Tymon and expects him to somehow do something with it. Laurent, Smallbone, and even Campbell got into positions to receive through the lines and they simply can't play or see those passes. Not much point hoofing it, either, when they have 3 big defenders and we have only 2 strikers fit and available, both under 6 foot tall. Very true which highlights how thin our squad is at the moment |
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Post by numpty40 on Apr 30, 2023 17:09:56 GMT
Absolutely agree with this. The sheer blatant time wasting in most games I've seen this season really needs a major assessment before next season, it's genuinely ruining the game. They were making sure that they stayed up. That's shite Championship football for you. We need to go out and smash teams before it gets to that inevitable stage. I'm not particularly talking about yesterday, the last thing I wanted was another 10 minutes of added time watching that dross. Most games you watch whether live or on TV has an element of blatant time wasting which is pure and simple cheating. I watched Everton v Castle the other night and the cheating (game management) by Newcastle was shocking. It's becoming a big issue in football and the ruling bodies need to get a serious grip on it. |
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Post by questionable on May 1, 2023 8:47:12 GMT
Given the shit on show of late I’d intended to try and count how many times when in possession we played the ball backwards and even that was too much effort, it was a lot from a casual glances every now and then.
And to think we’re actually paying AN good money to come up with this crap
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Post by cheekymatt71 on May 1, 2023 9:23:17 GMT
Of course I agree with the problems mentioned about - 5 at the back, having shit wingbacks, just means passing it around the back slowly and they are easily marked out.
However something needs to be said about central midfield. We have nobody will to pass through the middle, or run with the ball.
Souttar would do this job when he was with us. I think its a big miss. He would either dribble the ball up through the middle or make a pass forwards into midfield or attack along the floor.
We are so predictable when we have the ball, which is making it easier for the opposition to mark us out of play.
Pearson is totally guilty of taking the easy option every time and playing it back to defence rather than looking forwards.
Our players are just not comfortable on the ball in tight situations. Even Smallbone, who has a fairly good first touch but needs to play in space to make something happen. On Saturday he was just not involved because of the lack of space. I would say the only player we have capable of dealing with that type of game is Powell, but AN seems him as a lone striker now!!
In the summer we need a new Souttar - good defender but with the ability to bring the ball forwards. I cant stand watching the ball go to Fox every time he has no idea what to do.
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