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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 22, 2023 20:14:12 GMT
The end of this forgetful season (another) can’t come some enough, how many years now?
Hopefully next season we’ll witness an absolute significant improvement. My thoughts are already focused upon both transfer windows, the summer and January.
I don’t think we’ll be the finished article by the close of the summer window due to the forthcoming wholesale changes, however we need to be in contention or there about’s and then kick on again.
Over to you AN
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Post by musik on Apr 22, 2023 23:28:31 GMT
We had a really very impressive period not that long ago with excellent play, good goals and a feeling of joy within the team.
Then what? They all got lazy?
We only have to get back to that feeling.
We might not need to get any players in at all?
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Post by westlandstokie on Apr 23, 2023 8:29:46 GMT
The end of this forgetful season (another) can’t come some enough, how many years now? Hopefully next season we’ll witness an absolute significant improvement. My thoughts are already focused upon both transfer windows, the summer and January. I don’t think we’ll be the finished article by the close of the summer window due to the forthcoming wholesale changes, however we need to be in contention or there about’s and then kick on again. Over to you AN I agree mate…the end of the season can’t come soon enough for me. There is no way AN will get a competitive team together ready for August…there’s too much to be done. Despite all this I’ll be there again (as usual) next season 😂
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2023 9:13:05 GMT
We had a really very impressive period not that long ago with excellent play, good goals and a feeling of joy within the team. Then what? They all got lazy? We only have to get back to that feeling. We might not need to get any players in at all? Only four or five of the players used in that good spell are contracted for next season so I'd suggest you are completely wrong.
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Post by nott1 on Apr 23, 2023 9:15:48 GMT
Don't hold your breath that we will get promoted next time around either, but obviously hope we do!
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Post by musik on Apr 23, 2023 9:17:21 GMT
We had a really very impressive period not that long ago with excellent play, good goals and a feeling of joy within the team. Then what? They all got lazy? We only have to get back to that feeling. We might not need to get any players in at all? Only four or five of the players used in that good spell are contracted for next season so I'd suggest you are completely wrong. Make them stay and then consider: Who else do we need? 🤠
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 23, 2023 9:17:30 GMT
Too many changes required and not enough nous in the dugout to see us challenge next year IMO. A good top half, occasional threat to the Top 6 would represent a decent enough season, and probably fair given all the components thrown into the mix.
I mean christ, how low are our expectations now saying stuff like that?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2023 9:22:46 GMT
Only four or five of the players used in that good spell are contracted for next season so I'd suggest you are completely wrong. Make them stay and then consider: Who else do we need? 🤠 So you agree, we need to sign some players.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 23, 2023 9:29:18 GMT
Make them stay and then consider: Who else do we need? 🤠 So you agree, we need to sign some players. No - just a kidnapper and some prison guards.
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Post by musik on Apr 23, 2023 10:19:30 GMT
Make them stay and then consider: Who else do we need? 🤠 So you agree, we need to sign some players. That is just a purely administrative techicality.
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Post by stokesaint1 on Apr 23, 2023 19:05:06 GMT
We had a really very impressive period not that long ago with excellent play, good goals and a feeling of joy within the team. Then what? They all got lazy? We only have to get back to that feeling. We might not need to get any players in at all?[/quote] Bloody hell Musik, I really hope that wasn't meant as a serious comment. We need a load of them. This lot have had plenty of opportunities and have continually come up short. The five game performing streak just ran out of steam, which is exactly like most of this squad did throughout the season. A summer without major surgery to the playing squad would be a potential disaster going forward.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Apr 23, 2023 19:10:40 GMT
I think it's going to take this summer, January and next summer before we have a team to get promotion.
There's too much to do this summer for us to be competitive. I hope we are, but a top half finish is all I'm expecting.
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Post by emmbrook1956 on Apr 23, 2023 19:19:13 GMT
Well some very great performances in the recent past. Without a doubt I thought we had turned a corner but was well aware of the number of loan players. I have been most impressed with Hoover and Smallbone. Also Alex T when fit shows class.
It is not all gloom and doom.
Yesterday both sides had their moments showing energy and intent. There were also periods when both sides seemed content just to keep the ball.
I remain positive as long as I am not near all those moaning so called supporters.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 23, 2023 19:27:07 GMT
I think it's going to take this summer, January and next summer before we have a team to get promotion. There's too much to do this summer for us to be competitive. I hope we are, but a top half finish is all I'm expecting. We keep saying this season after season. There’s no reason we can’t at least be in the play offs when you look at the filth that are up there at the moment
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Post by stokecitytalke on Apr 23, 2023 20:37:13 GMT
I think it's going to take this summer, January and next summer before we have a team to get promotion. There's too much to do this summer for us to be competitive. I hope we are, but a top half finish is all I'm expecting. We keep saying this season after season. There’s no reason we can’t at least be in the play offs when you look at the filth that are up there at the moment Yes, it's possible we could make the playoffs next season, I just don't think we can be too competitive with the amount of players needed in the summer. It will take half a season for them to gel.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 23, 2023 20:39:27 GMT
We keep saying this season after season. There’s no reason we can’t at least be in the play offs when you look at the filth that are up there at the moment Yes, it's possible we could make the playoffs next season, I just don't think we can be too competitive with the amount of players needed in the summer. It will take half a season for them to gel. Other clubs have turned it around at the drop of a hat. This is t the premier league, the players in this league are generally much of a muchness. The manager earns his corn in this league more than most
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Post by musik on Apr 24, 2023 0:22:21 GMT
Nah, we will be just fine. Outstanding world class players. Walking on sunshine throughout 23/24 if we play as we did when we were not only good but excellent. And the Manager is the saviour, the best one for decades. The team had pace. Joy. For some games.
Problem is: How could we keep ALL of them?
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 24, 2023 5:51:41 GMT
I think it's going to take this summer, January and next summer before we have a team to get promotion. There's too much to do this summer for us to be competitive. I hope we are, but a top half finish is all I'm expecting. We keep saying this season after season. There’s no reason we can’t at least be in the play offs when you look at the filth that are up there at the moment Completely agree. Things need to be sorted now. The loans we want to keep, we should have deals ongoing. The players we want to re-sign should be currently in the works. The centre back, left back, defensive midfielder, central midfielder, goalkeeper and target man we desperately need should have been identified and contacted (if less than 6 months left) or the clubs approached. There’s a lot to do but this is literally the job of the recruitment staff.
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Post by apb1 on Apr 24, 2023 8:32:33 GMT
A few weeks ago Neil had assuaged my doubts. Bristol C was a forgivable wobble, but to do the same v West Brom then lose to Wigan has severely shaken my confidence re next year. When Luton and Millwall have been in the playoff places all year, and two teams we have absolutely put to the sword are now challenging for top six, it seems unfathomable that he couldn't turn us into at least a top half team. As it is, we are now looking at a probable lower finish and points tally than last year.
Just by the law of averages a club like ours should have managed at least a play off push since we've been down in the Championship, but we are just miles off it seems.
In terms of recruitment I hope we sign a bunch of nobodies this summer, as our opponents usually beat us with line ups I've mostly never heard of!
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 24, 2023 10:22:21 GMT
Too many changes required and not enough nous in the dugout to see us challenge next year IMO. A good top half, occasional threat to the Top 6 would represent a decent enough season, and probably fair given all the components thrown into the mix. I mean christ, how low are our expectations now saying stuff like that? You say that, but then you see teams of all kinds of talent go and challenge for the play offs. It looks like Millwall will tail off again this season and miss out, but you can't tell me that Gary Rowett and Millwall target the play offs, playing how they do? You just need to be able to win enough games and maintain some sort of form. We have, in theory, only got to win 5 or 6 more games than we have this season (or just not lose so many by a goal), and we'd be in and around it. Easier said than done and we've all said it for the last however long, but there's no point thinking this rebuild has to put us back to square one completely. It is not a league of any exceptional quality, and if we sign enough players who are just "good enough" we should be able to have a decent crack it.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Apr 24, 2023 11:03:48 GMT
We just need to find payers with winning mentality not necessarily brilliant put hard workers who fight to get the ball when opposition have it and then brave enough and unselfless enough to play as a team and gather spirit and momentum.
That counts for more than anything - you can have all the skill in the world but its the mentality that winners have - Dare I say Pulis was very careful who he recruited and the balance was more on attitude than skill although some of his players did have both - Fuller. Flair players had to possess steel and thats why Powell in the side will always drag the players around him down to his nonchalant flick here and there, looking for fouls and generally a waste of time.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Apr 24, 2023 11:16:30 GMT
At 44 this is the sixth worst season in my time
I'll put a couple of second tier relegations, a season in the third tier, and a couple of recent seasons below this one.
The reason is those good recent performances against Sunderland and Coventry
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Post by questionable on Apr 24, 2023 12:55:19 GMT
Too many changes required and not enough nous in the dugout to see us challenge next year IMO. A good top half, occasional threat to the Top 6 would represent a decent enough season, and probably fair given all the components thrown into the mix. I mean christ, how low are our expectations now saying stuff like that? I’ll have no expectations next season, too many positions that need filling and I’m still in the AN camp isn’t all we hoped for given what’s been on display so far.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 24, 2023 14:45:24 GMT
If we could play playoff contenders every week away from home we could go up automatic.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Apr 24, 2023 14:53:29 GMT
I'd like know who we go into next season with as club captain because Baker is not good enough to be starting and his attitude and body language lately fucking stink. Surely Laurent or another must take it on permanently.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 25, 2023 10:58:47 GMT
Just look at some of the clubs That have made the play offs since we came down,there is no reason why we can't make the playoffs too.
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Post by bolly_premprem on Apr 25, 2023 13:42:48 GMT
I hate posting on here now ( cant figure out how to change my profile name and every time i see it, it turns a smile upside down)
If you look at the last 20 years, stoke have always been a mid table side
Even the season before promotion, we finished 8th, the season before that was 13th. since relegation, we have hovered around the 14th area, so nothing has really changed. a little kick on could get us into the playoff fights a very small step backwards would see us back in relegation fights.
Big transfer market coming up, not really expecting anything different next year...especially how pants we have gone again after the march performances, and optimism
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