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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 5, 2023 14:21:11 GMT
You're not alone in "working hard" for what you have mate. Working on your logic Hitler was ok then? Vlad the Impaler? Attila the Hun? Mussolini? Not at all no you can despise people but I just find celebrating death a bit odd. I don’t like Corbyn due to his relationship with the IRA but I wouldn’t celebrate his death. Ultimately no one’s perfect and likely to have a skeleton in their lockers that you can use against them. I'm not celebrating his death, I'm wishing him eternal damnation, along with Thatcher. Massive difference. Feel free to expain his "relationship with the IRA" that you're obviously so keen to mention.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 5, 2023 14:22:45 GMT
Not at all no you can despise people but I just find celebrating death a bit odd. I don’t like Corbyn due to his relationship with the IRA but I wouldn’t celebrate his death. When Corbyn dies the Alan Partridge shrug GIF is coming out. And I'll defend your right to do so.
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Post by gawa on Apr 5, 2023 14:42:04 GMT
Never heard of him tbh. I'm probably too young.
How this got to 4 pages god knows 🤣
Must have done alot of good as quite a few people defending him on here. RIP fella.
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Post by werrington on Apr 5, 2023 14:52:24 GMT
Never heard of him tbh. I'm probably too young. How this got to 4 pages god knows 🤣 Must have done alot of good as quite a few people defending him on here. RIP fella. You can’t come on here lacing into Boris Johnson and this current shameful lot and then say Nigel Lawson did some good He was heinous and this current crowd are a paler shade in comparison compared to him and thatcher etc It’s probably best not to have an opinion if you weren’t around back then
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Post by wannabee on Apr 5, 2023 14:53:40 GMT
You're not alone in "working hard" for what you have mate. Working on your logic Hitler was ok then? Vlad the Impaler? Attila the Hun? Mussolini? Not at all no you can despise people but I just find celebrating death a bit odd. I don’t like Corbyn due to his relationship with the IRA but I wouldn’t celebrate his death. Ultimately no one’s perfect and likely to have a skeleton in their lockers that you can use against them. What relationship did Corbyn have with the IRA?
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Post by gawa on Apr 5, 2023 14:54:42 GMT
You're not alone in "working hard" for what you have mate. Working on your logic Hitler was ok then? Vlad the Impaler? Attila the Hun? Mussolini? Not at all no you can despise people but I just find celebrating death a bit odd. I don’t like Corbyn due to his relationship with the IRA but I wouldn’t celebrate his death. Ultimately no one’s perfect and likely to have a skeleton in their lockers that you can use against them. One day I hope you can see how Corbyn was influential in breaking down barriers and bringing peace to Northern Ireland. There's alot of history there which most people don't know in depth, and even more history which the British government have hidden from the public domain. I've alot more to learn on it myself too and maybe some of my current views are wrong and may change. I'd recommend reading about the troubles though and how it started and what happened in the years before the provisional IRA were even formed. As well as reading about their civil rights and what occurred in the peaceful demonstrations before violence. Its not a simple: IRA = Bad British Army = Good And also the army were point in a difficult position and alot of soldiers have ptsd from the troubles so I blame the government more for their actions rather than the individuals. All I'm saying is it's not black and white in my opinion. Good and bad people on all sides. But Jeremy I don't think did anything bad in my eyes, he just wanted to bring peace.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 5, 2023 15:24:52 GMT
Not at all no you can despise people but I just find celebrating death a bit odd. I don’t like Corbyn due to his relationship with the IRA but I wouldn’t celebrate his death. Ultimately no one’s perfect and likely to have a skeleton in their lockers that you can use against them. What relationship did Corbyn have with the IRA? I'm not sure. Hence why I was asking too.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 5, 2023 15:31:50 GMT
When Corbyn dies the Alan Partridge shrug GIF is coming out. And I'll defend your right to do so. Fair enough sir
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 5, 2023 15:33:16 GMT
Not at all no you can despise people but I just find celebrating death a bit odd. I don’t like Corbyn due to his relationship with the IRA but I wouldn’t celebrate his death. Ultimately no one’s perfect and likely to have a skeleton in their lockers that you can use against them. One day I hope you can see how Corbyn was influential in breaking down barriers and bringing peace to Northern Ireland. There's alot of history there which most people don't know in depth, and even more history which the British government have hidden from the public domain. I've alot more to learn on it myself too and maybe some of my current views are wrong and may change. I'd recommend reading about the troubles though and how it started and what happened in the years before the provisional IRA were even formed. As well as reading about their civil rights and what occurred in the peaceful demonstrations before violence. Its not a simple: IRA = Bad British Army = Good And also the army were point in a difficult position and alot of soldiers have ptsd from the troubles so I blame the government more for their actions rather than the individuals. All I'm saying is it's not black and white in my opinion. Good and bad people on all sides. But Jeremy I don't think did anything bad in my eyes, he just wanted to bring peace. As always very well explained mate. The words “All I'm saying is it's not black and white in my opinion. Good and bad people on all sides” can cover so many people and those that have differing opinions too. For me it’s not even about the politics it’s about respecting the dead even if you didn’t like them.
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Post by wannabee on Apr 5, 2023 15:37:23 GMT
What relationship did Corbyn have with the IRA? I'm not sure. Hence why I was asking too. I was confused too According to Channel 4 Factcheck he was something of a fence sitter who condemned both sides which I thought would appeal to Cobham Perhaps he'll let us know in due course www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-corbyn-on-northern-ireland
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 5, 2023 15:41:08 GMT
One day I hope you can see how Corbyn was influential in breaking down barriers and bringing peace to Northern Ireland. There's alot of history there which most people don't know in depth, and even more history which the British government have hidden from the public domain. I've alot more to learn on it myself too and maybe some of my current views are wrong and may change. I'd recommend reading about the troubles though and how it started and what happened in the years before the provisional IRA were even formed. As well as reading about their civil rights and what occurred in the peaceful demonstrations before violence. Its not a simple: IRA = Bad British Army = Good And also the army were point in a difficult position and alot of soldiers have ptsd from the troubles so I blame the government more for their actions rather than the individuals. All I'm saying is it's not black and white in my opinion. Good and bad people on all sides. But Jeremy I don't think did anything bad in my eyes, he just wanted to bring peace. As always very well explained mate. The words “All I'm saying is it's not black and white in my opinion. Good and bad people on all sides” can cover so many people and those that have differing opinions too. For me it’s not even about the politics it’s about respecting the dead even if you didn’t like them. You made accusations about Corbyn and the IRA. Explain yourself if you would.
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Post by phileetin on Apr 5, 2023 15:45:37 GMT
Never heard of him tbh. I'm probably too young. How this got to 4 pages god knows 🤣 Must have done alot of good as quite a few people defending him on here. RIP fella. You can’t come on here lacing into Boris Johnson and this current shameful lot and then say Nigel Lawson did some good He was heinous and this current crowd are a paler shade in comparison compared to him and thatcher etc It’s probably best not to have an opinion if you weren’t around back then i was around back then and the unions were running ( not running more like ) the country . the only time unions are happy is when there members are being paid for doing nothing , hence blissful state of affairs the last 3 covid years .
strikes at british leyland , miners ,power cuts was the norm for 10 years . sick man of europe was the british description .
thank god the electorate got rid of the useless labour gov't . god help us if they are elected next year.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 5, 2023 15:50:44 GMT
You can’t come on here lacing into Boris Johnson and this current shameful lot and then say Nigel Lawson did some good He was heinous and this current crowd are a paler shade in comparison compared to him and thatcher etc It’s probably best not to have an opinion if you weren’t around back then i was around back then and the unions were running ( not running more like ) the country . the only time unions are happy is when there members are being paid for doing nothing , hence blissful state of affairs the last 3 covid years . strikes at british leyland , miners ,power cuts was the norm for 10 years . sick man of europe was the british description . thank god the electorate got rid of the useless labour gov't . god help us if they are elected next year.
Those nasty Unions eh? LOL
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 5, 2023 15:51:14 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 5, 2023 15:52:57 GMT
Sorry Cobs, quoting the Daily Mail isn't really a good response.
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Post by gawa on Apr 5, 2023 15:56:40 GMT
One day I hope you can see how Corbyn was influential in breaking down barriers and bringing peace to Northern Ireland. There's alot of history there which most people don't know in depth, and even more history which the British government have hidden from the public domain. I've alot more to learn on it myself too and maybe some of my current views are wrong and may change. I'd recommend reading about the troubles though and how it started and what happened in the years before the provisional IRA were even formed. As well as reading about their civil rights and what occurred in the peaceful demonstrations before violence. Its not a simple: IRA = Bad British Army = Good And also the army were point in a difficult position and alot of soldiers have ptsd from the troubles so I blame the government more for their actions rather than the individuals. All I'm saying is it's not black and white in my opinion. Good and bad people on all sides. But Jeremy I don't think did anything bad in my eyes, he just wanted to bring peace. As always very well explained mate. The words “All I'm saying is it's not black and white in my opinion. Good and bad people on all sides” can cover so many people and those that have differing opinions too. For me it’s not even about the politics it’s about respecting the dead even if you didn’t like them. Yeah sorry to derail a bit here. I'm a corbynista as you know and I accept not everyone will agree with my views on him. And maybe I've got it wrong too because honestly there's loads of history and I'm really not educated that much on it, so I could very well be wrong on corbyn here! As for respecting the dead I get your point and respect it. I think there will be certain individuals who die that for one reason or another we may be happy to see the back of. Putin being one alot would agree with. But it is certainly classier to sometimes keep your thoughts to yourself in these instances rather than write them down. With that said though if you're not giving personal abuse directed towards the person and you're simply providing facts on what they did and their actions then I see nothing wrong. Because at the end of the day those decisions they made shaped their legacy and their memory. (not saying this has or hasn't happened here. Just speaking in general). I dont know enough about this guy to comment. I read he was a prominent tory under thatcher though so more than likely I probably wouldn't be a fan. But he's still someone else's friend or family, so that aside, rip.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 5, 2023 16:00:06 GMT
Sorry Cobs, quoting the Daily Mail isn't really a good response. 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 5, 2023 16:00:35 GMT
As always very well explained mate. The words “All I'm saying is it's not black and white in my opinion. Good and bad people on all sides” can cover so many people and those that have differing opinions too. For me it’s not even about the politics it’s about respecting the dead even if you didn’t like them. Yeah sorry to derail a bit here. I'm a corbynista as you know and I accept not everyone will agree with my views on him. And maybe I've got it wrong too because honestly there's loads of history and I'm really not educated that much on it, so I could very well be wrong on corbyn here! As for respecting the dead I get your point and respect it. I think there will be certain individuals who die that for one reason or another we may be happy to see the back of. Putin being one alot would agree with. But it is certainly classier to sometimes keep your thoughts to yourself in these instances rather than write them down. With that said though if you're not giving personal abuse directed towards the person and you're simply providing facts on what they did and their actions then I see nothing wrong. Because at the end of the day those decisions they made shaped their legacy and their memory. (not saying this has or hasn't happened here. Just speaking in general). I dont know enough about this guy to comment. I read he was a prominent tory under thatcher though so more than likely I probably wouldn't be a fan. But he's still someone else's friend or family, so that aside, rip. Spot on mate.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 5, 2023 16:01:51 GMT
Sorry Cobs, quoting the Daily Mail isn't really a good response. What about the 100 families and their victims?
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Post by wannabee on Apr 5, 2023 16:26:37 GMT
Sorry Cobs, quoting the Daily Mail isn't really a good response. What about the 100 families and their victims? What do you think the 100 families would have thought if they knew Thatcher had authorised direct talks with the IRA? The former British prime minister, Mrs Margaret Thatcher, when in power gave her personal approval to secret talks between British government officials and the IRA leadership in 1990, setting in a train a dialogue which led to the Northern Ireland peace process, which she now regularly denounces.
In one of her final acts before she was deposed as prime minister, Lady Thatcher allowed her Northern Ireland Secretary, Mr Peter Brooke, to talk to republicans through a secret "back channel" after MI5 advised the government that the IRA was looking at ways of ending its terrorist campaign
www.irishtimes.com/news/thatcher-opened-talks-with-ira-leadership-1.239262It was by then well known that in 1972 the British government had flown a group of IRA leaders, including Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness, to London for talks with the then Northern Ireland secretary William Whitelaw. Now the Observer was reporting that the latest talks had been in progress “for many months”.www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/books/2023/apr/02/operation-chiffon-by-peter-taylor-review-how-they-talked-way-out-of-troubles-secret-story-of-mi5-and-mi6-and-road-to-peace-in-irelandIt was a policy continued by Major www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-65038587.ampThe only difference is that Corbyn only ever met members of Sinn Fein a Political Party
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Post by knype on Apr 5, 2023 16:38:10 GMT
Sorry Cobs, quoting the Daily Mail isn't really a good response. Coming from a man who constantly shares Guardian stories and left wing twitterati links
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 5, 2023 16:40:51 GMT
2 wrongs don’t make a right. This isn’t a Labour v Tory thing as I’ve said previously it’s more about calling people that have just died c\*ts.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 5, 2023 16:42:04 GMT
In October 1984, two weeks after an IRA bomb killed five people at the Tory Party conference in Brighton, Mr Corbyn invited convicted IRA volunteers Linda Quigley and Gerry MacLochlainn to the House of Commons, causing uproar at the time.
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Post by dutchstokie on Apr 5, 2023 16:51:57 GMT
You can’t come on here lacing into Boris Johnson and this current shameful lot and then say Nigel Lawson did some good He was heinous and this current crowd are a paler shade in comparison compared to him and thatcher etc It’s probably best not to have an opinion if you weren’t around back then i was around back then and the unions were running ( not running more like ) the country . the only time unions are happy is when there members are being paid for doing nothing , hence blissful state of affairs the last 3 covid years . strikes at british leyland , miners ,power cuts was the norm for 10 years . sick man of europe was the british description . thank god the electorate got rid of the useless labour gov't . god help us if they are elected next year.
Spongers…..
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Post by werrington on Apr 5, 2023 17:03:59 GMT
You can’t come on here lacing into Boris Johnson and this current shameful lot and then say Nigel Lawson did some good He was heinous and this current crowd are a paler shade in comparison compared to him and thatcher etc It’s probably best not to have an opinion if you weren’t around back then i was around back then and the unions were running ( not running more like ) the country . the only time unions are happy is when there members are being paid for doing nothing , hence blissful state of affairs the last 3 covid years . strikes at british leyland , miners ,power cuts was the norm for 10 years . sick man of europe was the british description . thank god the electorate got rid of the useless labour gov't . god help us if they are elected next year.
Yeah let’s hope not also The last thing we need is inflation to go through the roof… interests rates through the roof…mortgage rates going through the roof…mortgage payments going through the roof …the pound in the verge of collapse with the BOE stepping in to save it… the economy crashing through the roof….household heating bills going through the roof…ministers making billions of personal profits from a national crisis/disaster….the cabinet taking the piss out of every single one of us with that lockdown whilst they were partying away …..oh and the unions in discontent so yeah I agree the last thing we need is a Labour government Enjoy your evening as I’m done here
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Post by wannabee on Apr 5, 2023 17:32:29 GMT
In October 1984, two weeks after an IRA bomb killed five people at the Tory Party conference in Brighton, Mr Corbyn invited convicted IRA volunteers Linda Quigley and Gerry MacLochlainn to the House of Commons, causing uproar at the time. While at exactly the same time British Government Officials were meeting directly with IRA Two days after the Warrington Bomb an MI5 official met with IRA specifically Martin McGuinness and Gerry Kelly and told them the final solution in Northern Ireland was Unification. This meeting is credited as being instrumental in leading to the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement (linked above) What's your point In trying to resolve conflicts you may have to meet with all sorts of unsavoury characters you would normally prefer not to.
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Post by milton58 on Apr 5, 2023 17:45:21 GMT
You can’t come on here lacing into Boris Johnson and this current shameful lot and then say Nigel Lawson did some good He was heinous and this current crowd are a paler shade in comparison compared to him and thatcher etc It’s probably best not to have an opinion if you weren’t around back then i was around back then and the unions were running ( not running more like ) the country . the only time unions are happy is when there members are being paid for doing nothing , hence blissful state of affairs the last 3 covid years .
strikes at british leyland , miners ,power cuts was the norm for 10 years . sick man of europe was the british description .
thank god the electorate got rid of the useless labour gov't . god help us if they are elected next year.
where were you living then fella I think what you have said and described came in after thatchers Britain set out to destroy every working man and his family...this was the beginning of when the wealthiest got more well off abit like now history repeating itself
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Post by yeswilko on Apr 5, 2023 17:46:20 GMT
In October 1984, two weeks after an IRA bomb killed five people at the Tory Party conference in Brighton, Mr Corbyn invited convicted IRA volunteers Linda Quigley and Gerry MacLochlainn to the House of Commons, causing uproar at the time. While at exactly the same time British Government Officials were meeting directly with IRA Two days after the Warrington Bomb an MI5 official met with IRA specifically Martin McGuinness and Gerry Kelly and told them the final solution in Northern Ireland was Unification. This meeting is credited as being instrumental in leading to the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement (linked above) What's your point In trying to resolve conflicts you may have to meet with all sorts of unsavoury characters you would normally prefer not to. It's a weird position these people have.. they hate something that actually worked.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 5, 2023 18:03:48 GMT
In October 1984, two weeks after an IRA bomb killed five people at the Tory Party conference in Brighton, Mr Corbyn invited convicted IRA volunteers Linda Quigley and Gerry MacLochlainn to the House of Commons, causing uproar at the time. While at exactly the same time British Government Officials were meeting directly with IRA Two days after the Warrington Bomb an MI5 official met with IRA specifically Martin McGuinness and Gerry Kelly and told them the final solution in Northern Ireland was Unification. This meeting is credited as being instrumental in leading to the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement (linked above) What's your point In trying to resolve conflicts you may have to meet with all sorts of unsavoury characters you would normally prefer not to. Clearly. But you stated he only ever met politicians not IRA members. If Corbyn was a member of the government charged with achieving a resolution that's fine.
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Post by yeswilko on Apr 5, 2023 18:10:41 GMT
While at exactly the same time British Government Officials were meeting directly with IRA Two days after the Warrington Bomb an MI5 official met with IRA specifically Martin McGuinness and Gerry Kelly and told them the final solution in Northern Ireland was Unification. This meeting is credited as being instrumental in leading to the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement (linked above) What's your point In trying to resolve conflicts you may have to meet with all sorts of unsavoury characters you would normally prefer not to. Clearly. But you stated he only ever met politicians not IRA members. If Corbyn was a member of the government charged with achieving a resolution that's fine. It's a real shame you weren't there to win the argument via Harry Enfield memes.
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