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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 30, 2023 22:35:38 GMT
Fancy he will be Boros Faye in the premier league bit credit where credits due if he does hes still been an excellent find by our transfer team
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 30, 2023 23:44:15 GMT
Is he realistically in our range? No transfer fee might help a bit...
£30k/week over 3 years is like if we'd paid a £4.7m fee I think.
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Post by theglove on Mar 31, 2023 0:57:36 GMT
Is he realistically in our range? No transfer fee might help a bit... £30k/week over 3 years is like if we'd paid a £4.7m fee I think. Promotion bonus +pay rise non-promotion release clause
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Post by stokieinlondon on Mar 31, 2023 5:46:09 GMT
As good as he is and as much as I would love to sign him, his injury record isn’t good - and we need consistency in the defence if we’re going to mount a challenge.
Shawcross and Cort were pretty much ever present that season, which I don’t doubt was a big factor.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2023 6:21:20 GMT
Fancy he will be Boros Faye in the premier league bit credit where credits due if he does hes still been an excellent find by our transfer team I don't think it's much about the transfer team. I watch little football other than Stoke and yet I knew about Tuanzebe's ability. He was probably offered out to most of the division. I think it's more down to the medical/sports science departments getting him fit coupled with a touch of desperation on our part when the Cresswell deal fell through. I'm not knocking the club. We were due a bit of luck. |
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Post by nott1 on Mar 31, 2023 7:14:34 GMT
Ta! I think this is actually bad news for us. But here's hoping he really likes it here and prefers oatcakes to money!  Doubt any club is going to risk giving him a three yr. contract worth £62k a week, so we'll be in a very strong position to sign him with the bet365 clout! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2023 7:16:57 GMT
Ta! I think this is actually bad news for us. But here's hoping he really likes it here and prefers oatcakes to money! Doubt any club is going to risk giving him a three yr. contract worth £62k a week, so we'll be in a very strong position to sign him with the bet365 clout! Possibly but I’d like to think we won’t be giving anyone over 20k a week and he’d want way more than that wouldn’t he? |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 31, 2023 7:20:06 GMT
As good as he is and as much as I would love to sign him, his injury record isn’t good - and we need consistency in the defence if we’re going to mount a challenge. Shawcross and Cort were pretty much ever present that season, which I don’t doubt was a big factor. I agree - before showing any interest the medical team must be 100% sure he has recovered and there are no long term issues - our squad is going to be far too small to carry anyone no matter how theoretically good they might be. However given how long he's been at the club they must be well placed to make that call. If he is fit we should be in the queue for his signature but I suspect it's going to be quite a long queue. |
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Post by nott1 on Mar 31, 2023 7:34:07 GMT
Doubt any club is going to risk giving him a three yr. contract worth £62k a week, so we'll be in a very strong position to sign him with the bet365 clout! Possibly but I’d like to think we won’t be giving anyone over 20k a week and he’d want way more than that wouldn’t he? Well, he's now lost his 62k a week pay and beggars can't be choosers! He may be happy with what we will pay him compared to a lot of other clubs. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2023 7:40:08 GMT
Possibly but I’d like to think we won’t be giving anyone over 20k a week and he’d want way more than that wouldn’t he? Well, he's now lost his 62k a week pay and beggars can't be choosers! He may be happy with what we will pay him compared to a lot of other clubs. I think he’ll be far from begging. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2023 7:43:03 GMT
Possibly but I’d like to think we won’t be giving anyone over 20k a week and he’d want way more than that wouldn’t he? Well, he's now lost his 62k a week pay and beggars can't be choosers! He may be happy with what we will pay him compared to a lot of other clubs. He was on £40k wasn't he? The rise to £62k was only if Man U triggered his extension. That's how I read it anyway. We still won't be getting anywhere near £40k either way. I don't think many, if any will with his injury record. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 31, 2023 8:02:01 GMT
Well, he's now lost his 62k a week pay and beggars can't be choosers! He may be happy with what we will pay him compared to a lot of other clubs. He was on £40k wasn't he? The rise to £62k was only if Man U triggered his extension. That's how I read it anyway. We still won't be getting anywhere near £40k either way. I don't think many, if any will with his injury record. I'm just rambling here and have no idea if any of this is feasible but if we assess him to be fit- We could offer him 15/20k on a 4 year deal with a double your money clause if we're promoted and a 5m release clause after 12/18 months if we don't get promoted. I've just plucked those figures out of thin air, they're just an example, so don't leap down my throat over them it's just the principle I was mulling over to prove to myself that it's not insurmountable. Obviously if a Prem or parachute team offers him more money up top we're likely to be buggered from the off. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2023 8:40:19 GMT
He was on £40k wasn't he? The rise to £62k was only if Man U triggered his extension. That's how I read it anyway. We still won't be getting anywhere near £40k either way. I don't think many, if any will with his injury record. I'm just rambling here and have no idea if any of this is feasible but if we assess him to be fit- We could offer him 15/20k on a 4 year deal with a double your money clause if we're promoted and a 5m release clause after 12/18 months if we don't get promoted. I've just plucked those figures out of thin air, they're just an example, so don't leap down my throat over them it's just the principle I was mulling over to prove to myself that it's not insurmountable. Obviously if a Prem or parachute team offers him more money up top we're likely to be buggered from the off. I think we are in a stronger position than many think. He's going to have to be realistic with wage demands. Even parachute teams or newly promoted prem teams are going to be wary of paying out big wages on a player who could break down at any moment. On that basis he's still a big risk for us even at something like £20k. Are we better playing it safer and looking elsewhere? |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Mar 31, 2023 8:43:08 GMT
I don't think it comes down to money, he's a Premier League talent and will get a Premier League club. All this talk of wages is totally redundant.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 31, 2023 8:44:39 GMT
I'm just rambling here and have no idea if any of this is feasible but if we assess him to be fit- We could offer him 15/20k on a 4 year deal with a double your money clause if we're promoted and a 5m release clause after 12/18 months if we don't get promoted. I've just plucked those figures out of thin air, they're just an example, so don't leap down my throat over them it's just the principle I was mulling over to prove to myself that it's not insurmountable. Obviously if a Prem or parachute team offers him more money up top we're likely to be buggered from the off. I think we are in a stronger position than many think. He's going to have to be realistic with wage demands. Even parachute teams or newly promoted prem teams are going to be wary of paying out big wages on a player who could break down at any moment. On that basis he's still a big risk for us even at something like £20k. Are we better playing it safer and looking elsewhere? Quite possibly mate. I was simply trying to rationalise it in my own mind. Like you say I think many are being overly pessimistic. I'd say, with a bit of imagination, it's eminently doable. If we want to. |
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Post by clarkeda on Mar 31, 2023 8:49:11 GMT
I don't think it comes down to money, he's a Premier League talent and will get a Premier League club. All this talk of wages is totally redundant. Is he though? We do have to remember he couldn’t get in a Villa team ahead of Mings. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 31, 2023 8:49:56 GMT
I don't think it comes down to money, he's a Premier League talent and will get a Premier League club. All this talk of wages is totally redundant. But if we can sell him the dream that WE could be a Prem club in the next couple of years then he could sign with us on the proviso his wages are doubled if we get promoted or we accept a 'reasonable' offer for him if we don't. That way he has an incentive to play well for us to either a) double his wages or b) attract a bid from a Prem team. Does that not work as well? |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 31, 2023 8:50:55 GMT
I'm just rambling here and have no idea if any of this is feasible but if we assess him to be fit- We could offer him 15/20k on a 4 year deal with a double your money clause if we're promoted and a 5m release clause after 12/18 months if we don't get promoted. I've just plucked those figures out of thin air, they're just an example, so don't leap down my throat over them it's just the principle I was mulling over to prove to myself that it's not insurmountable. Obviously if a Prem or parachute team offers him more money up top we're likely to be buggered from the off. I think we are in a stronger position than many think. He's going to have to be realistic with wage demands. Even parachute teams or newly promoted prem teams are going to be wary of paying out big wages on a player who could break down at any moment. On that basis he's still a big risk for us even at something like £20k. Are we better playing it safer and looking elsewhere? I think you are right to be cautious but there's every chance he hasn't got a long term injury problem - he certainly hasn't looked like he's carrying an injury while he's been playing for us. Definitely worth assessing before making a decision. Having said that if we do take a punt on a player with injury concerns the last position for that is CB. You really need CBs who are going to be there week in, week out to have any chance of promotion. The biggest factor for me is going to be wages. We might be top of the second tier in terms of what we can afford in the Championship but we aren't in that top tier anymore and will only have any chance of being there until we go up up the parachute payments are scrapped. |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 31, 2023 10:03:51 GMT
Fantastic player but I wouldn’t sign him, too big an injury risk for the required outlay
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 31, 2023 10:50:11 GMT
Possibly but I’d like to think we won’t be giving anyone over 20k a week and he’d want way more than that wouldn’t he? Well, he's now lost his 62k a week pay and beggars can't be choosers! He may be happy with what we will pay him compared to a lot of other clubs. There’s a lot of clubs between us and Man Utd in terms of financial maneuverability and league position. We most certainly won’t be the only ones looking at him. We’ll either have to break the bank, hope that he gets injured and is affordable again (though then, why would you?) or just accept that we took a risk on him at the expense of trying to further develop Taylor and he’ll move on to someone much better than us. |
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Post by Veritas on Mar 31, 2023 11:05:39 GMT
Fantastic player but I wouldn’t sign him, too big an injury risk for the required outlay I definitely would sign him but unfortunately can't see us being able to afford him |
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Post by pushon on Mar 31, 2023 11:17:22 GMT
I assume that he'll rely heavily upon the advice/negotiations of his agent.
After all that's what Footballers employ/pay them for.
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Post by ohbottom on Mar 31, 2023 11:34:26 GMT
Is Phil Jones completely crocked now?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 31, 2023 13:13:14 GMT
There will be Premier league clubs who could blow us out of the water wages wise.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 31, 2023 13:19:31 GMT
There will be Premier league clubs who could blow us out of the water wages wise. I think we all accept that mate but it's not the point. How many Prem clubs will be prepared to risk blowing us out of the water wages wise on a potential crock? At least we'll have the benefit of the data from his 5 month loan to help us decide whether the risk is worth it or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2023 14:38:37 GMT
Is he realistically in our range? No transfer fee might help a bit... £30k/week over 3 years is like if we'd paid a £4.7m fee I think. Half a Sam Vokes ! |
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Post by shakermaker on Mar 31, 2023 14:41:10 GMT
Doubt any club is going to risk giving him a three yr. contract worth £62k a week, so we'll be in a very strong position to sign him with the bet365 clout! Possibly but I’d like to think we won’t be giving anyone over 20k a week and he’d want way more than that wouldn’t he? A top quality, injury-free centre back in this division would be on roughly £30k p/wk. Axel is undoubtedly the first half of that description but still highly questionable over the second part. If he gets a better offer than that elsewhere and he takes it, then good luck to him. I love Axel, but he is too big a risk with his injury record to pay him big bucks on a three-year deal and I wouldn't begrudge the club for not trying harder. I think it's entirely fair to offer him a three-year deal on £25k p/wk, with a £5k bonus for every match he starts. If we get promoted (then based on appearances), his salary jumps to £50k p/wk. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2023 14:58:48 GMT
Possibly but I’d like to think we won’t be giving anyone over 20k a week and he’d want way more than that wouldn’t he? A top quality, injury-free centre back in this division would be on roughly £30k p/wk. Axel is undoubtedly the first half of that description but still highly questionable over the second part. If he gets a better offer than that elsewhere and he takes it, then good luck to him. I love Axel, but he is too big a risk with his injury record to pay him big bucks on a three-year deal and I wouldn't begrudge the club for not trying harder. I think it's entirely fair to offer him a three-year deal on £25k p/wk, with a £5k bonus for every match he starts. If we get promoted (then based on appearances), his salary jumps to £50k p/wk. Maybe for a team just relegated but for no one else. |
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Post by nott1 on Mar 31, 2023 15:05:27 GMT
Well, he's now lost his 62k a week pay and beggars can't be choosers! He may be happy with what we will pay him compared to a lot of other clubs. There’s a lot of clubs between us and Man Utd in terms of financial maneuverability and league position. We most certainly won’t be the only ones looking at him. We’ll either have to break the bank, hope that he gets injured and is affordable again (though then, why would you?) or just accept that we took a risk on him at the expense of trying to further develop Taylor and he’ll move on to someone much better than us. Someone much better than us? Wash your mouth out! |
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 31, 2023 15:36:33 GMT
If we could keep him fit he would be the best central defender in the Championship by far! I really hope he stays!  |
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