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Post by thevoid on Mar 30, 2023 13:34:47 GMT
What harm do they think he'll do now, he just wants to hide himself away and paint.
He's not even killed anyone. The sentence seems disproportionate to his crimes
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Mar 30, 2023 13:50:51 GMT
He seems to me, to be the exact kind of lunatic that they should keep locked away for good.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2023 14:23:08 GMT
Even if he had proven good behaviour and done all the right things in prison, it must be difficult to release someone so instituionalised.
It's a small thing but the bloke has never used a cash machine, he'd be so out of his depth upon release.
It's a massive shame tbh because everyone deserves another chance or another chance in his case.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 30, 2023 14:53:59 GMT
they probably need a properly managed open "non-prison" for lifers like him
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Post by felonious on Mar 30, 2023 15:58:22 GMT
The recent programme about him was enlightening. There's this nagging doubt that he can engage with people.
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Post by felonious on Mar 30, 2023 16:00:27 GMT
What harm do they think he'll do now, he just wants to hide himself away and paint. He's not even killed anyone. The sentence seems disproportionate to his crimes Well there was the warder they managed to bring back from the dead. Because they had him diagnosed as mentally ill they were unable to charge him for that one. |
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 30, 2023 16:44:50 GMT
Not disputing he’s a wrong ‘un and the sort who should be locked up, but there are many more like him who are walking free from parole board hearings and no fuss made.
This smacks of the parole board not having the bollocks to make the decision to release him due to his infamy and them not wanting it to rebound on their career.
I believe all decisions on releasing dangerous prisoners and those made by courts/judges who release people on bail, or choose not to jail on conviction when they can, should be regularly published. Any subsequent reoffending should be redirected back to the person who made the decision and they should be made to justify their decisions to the original
victims and newly created ones and be held fully accountable.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2023 16:52:41 GMT
Not disputing he’s a wrong ‘un and the sort who should be locked up, but there are many more like him who are walking free from parole board hearings and no fuss made. This smacks of the parole board not having the bollocks to make the decision to release him due to his infamy and them not wanting it to rebound on their career. I believe all decisions on releasing dangerous prisoners and those made by courts/judges who release people on bail, or choose not to jail on conviction when they can, should be regularly published. Any subsequent reoffending should be redirected back to the person who made the decision and they should be made to justify their decisions to the original victims and newly created ones and be held fully accountable. That absolutely should not happen. Terrible idea and this whole idea of making the victims the centre of justice is imo insane. You have to give people chances. A lot of the people in jail have been failed in their lives already and this just adds to that. And that's no excuse for them, they should take responsibility for their actions and have with their freedoms being taken. Putting the people who make these very tough decisions on trial is a terrible idea and will just keep more people in prison which is the absolute wrong thing to happen. |
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 30, 2023 17:12:55 GMT
Not disputing he’s a wrong ‘un and the sort who should be locked up, but there are many more like him who are walking free from parole board hearings and no fuss made. This smacks of the parole board not having the bollocks to make the decision to release him due to his infamy and them not wanting it to rebound on their career. I believe all decisions on releasing dangerous prisoners and those made by courts/judges who release people on bail, or choose not to jail on conviction when they can, should be regularly published. Any subsequent reoffending should be redirected back to the person who made the decision and they should be made to justify their decisions to the original victims and newly created ones and be held fully accountable. That absolutely should not happen. Terrible idea and this whole idea of making the victims the centre of justice is imo insane. You have to give people chances. A lot of the people in jail have been failed in their lives already and this just adds to that. And that's no excuse for them, they should take responsibility for their actions and have with their freedoms being taken. Putting the people who make these very tough decisions on trial is a terrible idea and will just keep more people in prison which is the absolute wrong thing to happen. So decisions made by others that impacts on another’s life should be kept secret with no accountability? I’ve had more than enough experience of picking up the pieces following the actions of people on their third, fourth, fifth…fiftieth chance thanks. Be interesting how you perceive the damage caused to a victim of rape or other serious violence who have become prey to these sort who were using one of their many nine lives. Every one does indeed deserve a second chance, but multiple subsequent chances have to be weighed up against the likelihood of future harm to the public. Oh, you will find that the victim absolutely should be the centre of the criminal justice system….this is what the police, CPS and the criminal justice say should be the case. Sadly despite the rhetoric they aren’t. Maybe get yourself down to do some volunteering with Victim Support to see the impact offending has on their lives, it’s not a pretty sight. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2023 17:24:33 GMT
That absolutely should not happen. Terrible idea and this whole idea of making the victims the centre of justice is imo insane. You have to give people chances. A lot of the people in jail have been failed in their lives already and this just adds to that. And that's no excuse for them, they should take responsibility for their actions and have with their freedoms being taken. Putting the people who make these very tough decisions on trial is a terrible idea and will just keep more people in prison which is the absolute wrong thing to happen. So decisions made by others that impacts on another’s life should be kept secret with no accountability? I’ve had more than enough experience of picking up the pieces following the actions of people on their third, fourth, fifth…fiftieth chance thanks. Be interesting how you perceive the damage caused to a victim of rape or other serious violence who have become prey to these sort who were using one of their many nine lives. Every one does indeed deserve a second chance, but multiple subsequent chances have to be weighed up against the likelihood of future harm to the public. Oh, you will find that the victim absolutely should be the centre of the criminal justice system….this is what the police, CPS and the criminal justice say should be the case. Sadly despite the rhetoric they aren’t. Maybe get yourself down to do some volunteering with Victim Support to see the impact offending has on their lives, it’s not a pretty sight. There already is accountability. The last sentence of your second paragraph is exactly what happens now. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 30, 2023 17:33:38 GMT
Not disputing he’s a wrong ‘un and the sort who should be locked up, but there are many more like him who are walking free from parole board hearings and no fuss made. This smacks of the parole board not having the bollocks to make the decision to release him due to his infamy and them not wanting it to rebound on their career. I believe all decisions on releasing dangerous prisoners and those made by courts/judges who release people on bail, or choose not to jail on conviction when they can, should be regularly published. Any subsequent reoffending should be redirected back to the person who made the decision and they should be made to justify their decisions to the original victims and newly created ones and be held fully accountable. That absolutely should not happen. Terrible idea and this whole idea of making the victims the centre of justice is imo insane. You have to give people chances. A lot of the people in jail have been failed in their lives already and this just adds to that. And that's no excuse for them, they should take responsibility for their actions and have with their freedoms being taken. Putting the people who make these very tough decisions on trial is a terrible idea and will just keep more people in prison which is the absolute wrong thing to happen.  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2023 17:35:02 GMT
That absolutely should not happen. Terrible idea and this whole idea of making the victims the centre of justice is imo insane. You have to give people chances. A lot of the people in jail have been failed in their lives already and this just adds to that. And that's no excuse for them, they should take responsibility for their actions and have with their freedoms being taken. Putting the people who make these very tough decisions on trial is a terrible idea and will just keep more people in prison which is the absolute wrong thing to happen. So you just believe in people rotting in jail then, nice. |
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Mar 30, 2023 17:54:45 GMT
So you just believe in people rotting in jail then, nice. Or let a nutcase loose, who then goes on to commit some heinous crime. Tough one. In this case, I'd be tempted to err on the side of caution. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2023 17:57:16 GMT
So you just believe in people rotting in jail then, nice. Or let a nutcase loose, who then goes on to commit some heinous crime. Tough one. In this case, I'd be tempted to err on the side of caution. It's always a risk but if he had shown enough to be released then it should have happened. I just hope that the media circus around him hasn't affected the people who have made this decision and that it was made in the same way that it would be for anyone. That's why I don't think this sort of thing helps the justice system at all. |
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Post by fortressbritannia on Mar 30, 2023 21:06:50 GMT
He was never going to get released. Saying that you're not ashamed of taking hostages as well as not showing pro-social behaviour on the wing is not the way to get parole.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 30, 2023 21:32:50 GMT
Even if he had proven good behaviour and done all the right things in prison, it must be difficult to release someone so instituionalised. It's a small thing but the bloke has never used a cash machine, he'd be so out of his depth upon release. It's a massive shame tbh because everyone deserves another chance or another chance in his case. |
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Post by musik on Mar 30, 2023 21:43:05 GMT
What harm do they think he'll do now, he just wants to hide himself away and paint. He's not even killed anyone. The sentence seems disproportionate to his crimes Enlighten me. What person are you talking about? |
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Post by thevoid on Mar 31, 2023 6:38:11 GMT
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Post by flea79 on Mar 31, 2023 12:06:56 GMT
bet the filth that was found guilty of killing the little 9 year old will be out before Bronson
he should be released or on a pathway too release
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 31, 2023 13:45:20 GMT
So you just believe in people rotting in jail then, nice. Yep...nowt wrong with that..... Shouldnt have commited the crime in the first place. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2023 13:50:37 GMT
So you just believe in people rotting in jail then, nice. Yep...nowt wrong with that..... Shouldnt have commited the crime in the first place. Of course there’s something wrong with that. You can’t just keep people in jail in perpetuity. |
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 31, 2023 13:54:40 GMT
Yep...nowt wrong with that..... Shouldnt have commited the crime in the first place. Of course there’s something wrong with that. You can’t just keep people in jail in perpetuity. Youre absolutely right....... get rid of them instead. Less tax payers money being wasted on the shits inside. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2023 13:56:17 GMT
Of course there’s something wrong with that. You can’t just keep people in jail in perpetuity. Youre absolutely right....... get rid of them instead. Less tax payers money being wasted on the shits inside. Jesus wept. |
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 31, 2023 14:00:45 GMT
Youre absolutely right....... get rid of them instead. Less tax payers money being wasted on the shits inside. Jesus wept. Just because you dont agree with me doesnt make it wrong..... |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2023 14:24:19 GMT
Just because you dont agree with me doesnt make it wrong..... It’s abhorrent. |
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Post by raythesailor on Mar 31, 2023 16:24:47 GMT
To take a little heat out of this thread , recent posts have reminded me of a guided tour I once took around Alcatraz when visiting SAN Francisco.
Prisoner Robin Franklyn Stroud, a long term prisoner, and designated Liberian applied for parole numerous times and was always refused. When asked why he thought he should be released he replied “There are still many people out there I need to kill”.
He was far better known as The Bird Man of Alcatraz! The truth far away from the fiction of the Hollywood movie.
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Post by felonious on Mar 31, 2023 16:37:57 GMT
To take a little heat out of this thread , recent posts have reminded me of a guided tour I once took around Alcatraz when visiting SAN Francisco. Prisoner Robin Franklyn Stroud, a long term prisoner, and designated Liberian applied for parole numerous times and was always refused. When asked why he thought he should be released he replied “There are still many people out there I need to kill”. He was far better known as The Bird Man of Alcatraz! The truth far away from the fiction of the Hollywood movie. Brilliant  |
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Post by dirtclod on Apr 1, 2023 21:39:24 GMT
Problem is, these days if they let them loose there's always the danger that they'll elect them to Parliament.
(Or my idiots over here will send them to Congress)
And yes, I've read that about Stroud - another Hollywood lie, big surprise.
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 2, 2023 11:00:07 GMT
So you just believe in people rotting in jail then, nice. I’d say that depends on the crime. Rapists, murderers and paedophiles should just rot there, yeah. I don’t think Bronson was any of the three. Don’t know that much about his life to be honest. |
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Post by thevoid on Apr 2, 2023 16:32:58 GMT
So you just believe in people rotting in jail then, nice. I’d say that depends on the crime. Rapists, murderers and paedophiles should just rot there, yeah. I don’t think Bronson was any of the three. Don’t know that much about his life to be honest. Bronson has essentially been given a whole life term (with the cruel farce of parole hearings he'll never win being dangled in front of him). There are certain people who deserve Whole Life Terms but I don't think he's one of them. That prick who killed the OAP over the AirBnB mix up will serve less than him. |
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