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Post by leicspotter on Mar 28, 2023 17:13:18 GMT
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Post by masterpotter on Mar 28, 2023 19:13:36 GMT
Best wishes James. All the very best to you and your daughter
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Mar 28, 2023 19:30:20 GMT
It's a wide spectrum, I have an autistic child, good on him for being open about it.
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Post by nott1 on Mar 29, 2023 7:16:08 GMT
He would maybe have suffered a lot less grief and hatred had he known this sooner, but well done to him!
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Post by flea79 on Mar 29, 2023 8:15:04 GMT
He would maybe suffered a lot less grief and hatred had he known this sooner, but well done to him! seems to be a massive thing that this is now being diagnosed in adults and was missed while we were kids was talking about this the other day and as a young lad at school it was just ignored and you were considered a nuisance and we even had a "thicko" table that was full of kids who in hindsight had learning difficulties such as autism and adhd my cousin is a musician and a bloody good one, it was only found he was dyslexic when in his second year of uni at the royal northern, it was missed for years and years different times i guess |
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Post by crowey on Mar 29, 2023 12:39:44 GMT
…… different times, different diagnoses
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Post by boothenconvert on Mar 29, 2023 13:48:06 GMT
My cousin is severely dyslexic and throughout high school, the school would not have her tested and ignored it. My auntie had to fight for the test, which my cousin had just before she went to university. She then got a lot of support to help her with her needs and some additional time during exams and a laptop to help her with her assignments.
She then achieved a first class degree in Criminology from Lancaster University. An ignorant fellow student on her course claimed she had cheated because of being given extra time to do her assignments and exams as she got a higher grade than him. He didn’t possibly stop and think to understand that dyslexics need time to process information and get their ideas down on paper because of the way the brain works.
Same with autism. Many people can function without diagnosis and others show traits that need support and interventions. Adults who are now being diagnosed with ASD have been lost in the system as kids because they were able to hide their difficulties. I worked with many ASD children and they need to have various tests to find ways to help them. Thank goodness it’s being taken seriously these days but there are many individuals who have slipped through the net and have struggled with their identity. Good on JMc for raising this. It’s good to get people talking about it.
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Post by thanksjon on Mar 29, 2023 13:49:52 GMT
Very honest and should be a big support for his child.
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Post by citynickscfc on Mar 29, 2023 14:15:32 GMT
My cousin is severely dyslexic and throughout high school, the school would not have her tested and ignored it. My auntie had to fight for the test, which my cousin had just before she went to university. She then got a lot of support to help her with her needs and some additional time during exams and a laptop to help her with her assignments. She then achieved a first class degree in Criminology from Lancaster University. An ignorant fellow student on her course claimed she had cheated because of being given extra time to do her assignments and exams as she got a higher grade than him. He didn’t possibly stop and think to understand that dyslexics need time to process information and get their ideas down on paper because of the way the brain works. Same with autism. Many people can function without diagnosis and others show traits that need support and interventions. Adults who are now being diagnosed with ASD have been lost in the system as kids because they were able to hide their difficulties. I worked with many ASD children and they need to have various tests to find ways to help them. Thank goodness it’s being taken seriously these days but there are many individuals who have slipped through the net and have struggled with their identity. Good on JMc for raising this. It’s good to get people talking about it. Such people need to self reflect and acknowledge the achievements of others has no bearing over your own achievements, particularly in education. They should aspire to become better themselves rather than resenting the hard work of others. Said person will never succeed in life by blaming others for their own circumstance. All achievements in education should be celebrated, we all take our individual routes and time to achieve them, but then again only with the prerequisite of support are we ever going to achieve them. (Time, resources, materials, guidance etc). Congratulations to your relative |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Mar 29, 2023 14:44:35 GMT
I think a huge proportion of the population are on the spectrum in some way, form and varying severity.
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Post by leicspotter on Mar 29, 2023 17:17:46 GMT
My cousin is severely dyslexic and throughout high school, the school would not have her tested and ignored it. My auntie had to fight for the test, which my cousin had just before she went to university. She then got a lot of support to help her with her needs and some additional time during exams and a laptop to help her with her assignments. She then achieved a first class degree in Criminology from Lancaster University. An ignorant fellow student on her course claimed she had cheated because of being given extra time to do her assignments and exams as she got a higher grade than him. He didn’t possibly stop and think to understand that dyslexics need time to process information and get their ideas down on paper because of the way the brain works. Same with autism. Many people can function without diagnosis and others show traits that need support and interventions. Adults who are now being diagnosed with ASD have been lost in the system as kids because they were able to hide their difficulties. I worked with many ASD children and they need to have various tests to find ways to help them. Thank goodness it’s being taken seriously these days but there are many individuals who have slipped through the net and have struggled with their identity. Good on JMc for raising this. It’s good to get people talking about it. I'm pleased to hear my "alma mata" gave your cousin the support to succeed in her degree...shame about some of her peers |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 29, 2023 17:22:54 GMT
Not sure why people like being labelled with things these days, it's just the imperfections of being a human being.
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Post by insect on Mar 29, 2023 17:38:40 GMT
Don’t really understand this fully. Can we assume this is the reason he’s done some dumb things in the past !?
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Post by scfc75 on Mar 29, 2023 17:40:39 GMT
Don’t really understand this fully. Can we assume this is the reason he’s done some dumb things in the past !? I’d say it’s a very complex subject and jumping to such a conclusion would be foolish |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 30, 2023 0:41:24 GMT
Not sure why people like being labelled with things these days, it's just the imperfections of being a human being. The headteacher told us a story about a kid who was shit at writing until they got "diagnosed" or "labelled" as left handed. Once the teachers stopped forcing them to use their right hand they wrote some great stories. Maybe the story's bollocks but IMO it makes a good point that applies to plenty of people on the spectrum. The "label" makes it easier for people to look up help. |
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Post by dwr17477 on Mar 30, 2023 4:56:48 GMT
Not sure why people like being labelled with things these days, it's just the imperfections of being a human being. One of my daughters was diagnosed as autistic recently. She has spent years in turmoil not knowing what condition she had but knowing that her world view is different to others. That diagnosis has given her piece of mind and she can and is moving forward. She's found alternative ways to educate herself(school was a nightmare for her often coming home exhausted and emotional after masking all day and her education suffered severely as a consequence) and, with her continuing hard work, will be off the university in September/October. She doesn't want to be autistic but she is and is dealing with it now that she has a diagnosis so being 'labelled' has had a positive effect on her. It has been difficult for her sisters, my wife and me. I have certainly been one who has been dismissive of her being potentially autistic and shown ignorance and a lack of sympathy. Thankfully, I turned that corner and realised her condition is real and, at times, heartbreaking for her. We all now understand more and knowing she is autistic has helped. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2023 7:25:07 GMT
I think a huge proportion of the population are on the spectrum in some way, form and varying severity. Absolutely, my wife retrained and now works in a school supporting autistic children and she says I'm definitely on the spectrum. Many of the world's greatest brains have Asperger's which is a form of high functioning autism. They are often very awkward socially and struggle with anxiety. |
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Post by durbanscircus on Mar 30, 2023 7:51:00 GMT
I think a huge proportion of the population are on the spectrum in some way, form and varying severity. Absolutely, my wife retrained and now works in a school supporting autistic children and she says I'm definitely on the spectrum. Many of the world's greatest brains have Asperger's which is a form of high functioning autism. They are often very awkward socially and struggle with anxiety. My youngest son who is 11 was diagnosed with Autism last year, and previously dyspraxia, I saw this coming because my nephew had previously also been diagnosed and developed similar traits- what I didnt see coming was his elder Brother, who seemed outgoing ,funny and engaging especially around football and SCFC, but he had a melt down in lock down. He had been masking a massive amount of stress in school and instead of having a melt down he would zone out for hours because the stress for him was too much. Lock down gave him the ability to shut himself in his room, take refuge in gaming machines and destress. He hasnt been to school now for two years but he is going in ,in the new term. He hasnt been diagnosed yet ,but I think I know whats coming . The point of this is- the school system cant really cope with difference, society needs to give more time and care for children who are bright but will need more time to develop and generate coping mechanisms. My boys are really bright, but in the UK 85% of people with Asperger's dont work because of a lack of support and understanding, and prejudice- a criminal waste of human talent. As for me- I now know that I have most of the washing line of related issues - ADHD, Dyslexia and Dyspraxia. Ive only found thiis out becuase of my boys. Like my eldest I took extended leave of 18 months from schooling spending my time with all the other lads who were misfits down in Longton town centre. I have since had a successful career, but full of anxiety and stress. Im not sure I'm happy knowing because it has meant Ive questioned if for most of my life Ive actually known what I was doing! |
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Post by GrahamHyde on Mar 30, 2023 8:02:41 GMT
Not sure why people like being labelled with things these days, it's just the imperfections of being a human being. Yep, I think it only becomes a major issue if they're low functioning types, as that's when they not only require a lot more support, but they can also become a threat to themselves and others. The higher functioning Asperger's and Autistic Disorder though, I agree - it's just part of being different. In a large way, the recent COVID lockdowns have brought that to light too, allowing for more isolated, remote work in those who felt more comfortable that way (heavily introverted types). |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2023 9:06:26 GMT
Not sure why people like being labelled with things these days, it's just the imperfections of being a human being. Yep, I think it only becomes a major issue if they're low functioning types, as that's when they not only require a lot more support, but they can also become a threat to themselves and others. The higher functioning Asperger's and Autistic Disorder though, I agree - it's just part of being different. In a large way, the recent COVID lockdowns have brought that to light too, allowing for more isolated, remote work in those who felt more comfortable that way (heavily introverted types). That is a very dismissive and naive perception. Many autistic people struggle with normal life and "mask" to cope. The description of life with a high functioning autistic child of dwr17477 above is many parent's reality. My eldest son's experience through school is a mirror image of his daughter and to my eternal shame I thought he should toughen up and not be a victim and I wouldn't entertain that he might be autistic. It took an attempted suicide for me to wake up. If you met my son you wouldn't have a clue that he was autistic but for him to keep up that front is a life long battle. He doesn't want to be "different". Thankfully with medication and support from family and friends he is able to cope and live a "normal" and fulfilling life. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2023 10:10:55 GMT
Not sure why people like being labelled with things these days, it's just the imperfections of being a human being. One of my daughters was diagnosed as autistic recently. She has spent years in turmoil not knowing what condition she had but knowing that her world view is different to others. That diagnosis has given her piece of mind and she can and is moving forward. She's found alternative ways to educate herself(school was a nightmare for her often coming home exhausted and emotional after masking all day and her education suffered severely as a consequence) and, with her continuing hard work, will be off the university in September/October. She doesn't want to be autistic but she is and is dealing with it now that she has a diagnosis so being 'labelled' has had a positive effect on her. It has been difficult for her sisters, my wife and me. I have certainly been one who has been dismissive of her being potentially autistic and shown ignorance and a lack of sympathy. Thankfully, I turned that corner and realised her condition is real and, at times, heartbreaking for her. We all now understand more and knowing she is autistic has helped. So close to my situation that it brought a tear to my eye. Thankfully you woke up to her situation earlier than me. All the best mate. I now know my son inherited a lot of his traits from me. Thankfully I never struggled to the degree he has. He's now got a good job and a supportive girlfriend and his employer is absolutely brilliant. |
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Post by dwr17477 on Mar 30, 2023 10:55:34 GMT
One of my daughters was diagnosed as autistic recently. She has spent years in turmoil not knowing what condition she had but knowing that her world view is different to others. That diagnosis has given her piece of mind and she can and is moving forward. She's found alternative ways to educate herself(school was a nightmare for her often coming home exhausted and emotional after masking all day and her education suffered severely as a consequence) and, with her continuing hard work, will be off the university in September/October. She doesn't want to be autistic but she is and is dealing with it now that she has a diagnosis so being 'labelled' has had a positive effect on her. It has been difficult for her sisters, my wife and me. I have certainly been one who has been dismissive of her being potentially autistic and shown ignorance and a lack of sympathy. Thankfully, I turned that corner and realised her condition is real and, at times, heartbreaking for her. We all now understand more and knowing she is autistic has helped. So close to my situation that it brought a tear to my eye. Thankfully you woke up to her situation earlier than me. All the best mate. I now know my son inherited a lot of his traits from me. Thankfully I never struggled to the degree he has. He's now got a good job and a supportive girlfriend and his employer is absolutely brilliant. Thank you and the same goes for you and yours. It's amazing how dismissive I was but not understanding the constant turmoil she was(and still is) in hurts. She wants to live her best life and is battling to do that as much as she can. |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Mar 30, 2023 11:27:47 GMT
So close to my situation that it brought a tear to my eye. Thankfully you woke up to her situation earlier than me. All the best mate. I now know my son inherited a lot of his traits from me. Thankfully I never struggled to the degree he has. He's now got a good job and a supportive girlfriend and his employer is absolutely brilliant. Thank you and the same goes for you and yours. It's amazing how dismissive I was but not understanding the constant turmoil she was(and still is) in hurts. She wants to life her best life and is battling to do that as much as she can. I am exactly the same boat as you mate and I also just didn't understand. Agree with everything you've said. |
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Post by maine on Mar 30, 2023 11:40:43 GMT
I think that James McClean (who, while many disagree with him on various things, I'm convinced is essentially a decent,sensitive and well intentioned guy) would be gratified to read these comments.
Hopefully something positive will come from his disclosures.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2023 13:07:25 GMT
Not sure why people like being labelled with things these days, it's just the imperfections of being a human being. As somebody diagnosed ASD in my late 20s I do agree to an extent. Whilst I was pleased with the diagnosis in many ways and it went some way to absolving myself from some of the guilt/shame for how shitty my life was going up to that point, I do think diagnosis gets used as a crutch by some; myself included for a time. It’s a tricky subject because on the one hand, diagnosis and support can be a real game-changer and help turn lives around. Or give people a better understanding of themselves and a chance to be more forgiving to themselves. On the other hand it definitely feels to me like ASD is being way over-diagnosed. And there seems to be an undercurrent of people who almost relish in their condition. It’s a tough debate and one I wouldn’t dare touch with a barge pole if I wasn’t autistic myself. (This comment isn’t aimed at James McClean btw obviously none of us know him / knew him as a baby/small child) |
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Post by boothenconvert on Mar 31, 2023 18:54:35 GMT
My cousin is severely dyslexic and throughout high school, the school would not have her tested and ignored it. My auntie had to fight for the test, which my cousin had just before she went to university. She then got a lot of support to help her with her needs and some additional time during exams and a laptop to help her with her assignments. She then achieved a first class degree in Criminology from Lancaster University. An ignorant fellow student on her course claimed she had cheated because of being given extra time to do her assignments and exams as she got a higher grade than him. He didn’t possibly stop and think to understand that dyslexics need time to process information and get their ideas down on paper because of the way the brain works. Same with autism. Many people can function without diagnosis and others show traits that need support and interventions. Adults who are now being diagnosed with ASD have been lost in the system as kids because they were able to hide their difficulties. I worked with many ASD children and they need to have various tests to find ways to help them. Thank goodness it’s being taken seriously these days but there are many individuals who have slipped through the net and have struggled with their identity. Good on JMc for raising this. It’s good to get people talking about it. I'm pleased to hear my "alma mata" gave your cousin the support to succeed in her degree...shame about some of her peers Lancaster were fantastic. I graduated from there alongside another of my cousins. We certainly chose well! |
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Post by henry on Mar 31, 2023 21:35:45 GMT
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Post by gawa on Mar 31, 2023 21:59:32 GMT
To raise awareness and also to show to other autistic people it's not something to hide or be ashamed of. The conversations it's ignited in this thread suggest to me that raising awareness is a good thing as it gets people talking. I understand where you're coming from though in the sense that it shouldn't be a big deal. |
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Post by henry on Apr 1, 2023 6:40:24 GMT
To raise awareness and also to show to other autistic people it's not something to hide or be ashamed of. The conversations it's ignited in this thread suggest to me that raising awareness is a good thing as it gets people talking. I understand where you're coming from though in the sense that it shouldn't be a big deal. Your last sentence is exactly where I’m coming from. |
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Post by leicspotter on Apr 2, 2023 12:30:16 GMT
You don't, just thought it might be of interest to some people and maybe even help to raise awareness, as I guess McClean did when he made it public. If your reaction to the thread title is "so what" then just ignore it and read something else |
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