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Post by Robo10 on Mar 28, 2023 8:11:16 GMT
Read this story on the BBC, horrific rise and fall from grace, we might not like everything our owners have done over the past 6-7 years, but crikey some of this 'new' money from abroad is steeped in risk and endangerment of the clubs involved Football teams are just playthings to these people www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65042578 |
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Post by skemstokie on Mar 28, 2023 8:31:05 GMT
Read this story on the BBC, horrific rise and fall from grace, we might not like everything our owners have done over the past 6-7 years, but crikey some of this 'new' money from abroad is steeped in risk and endangerment of the clubs involved Football teams are just playthings to these people www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65042578 Anyone who questions the Coates families tenure as Stoke owners should look at what happens when someone who as you say is taking on a club as a plaything, the Coates family are by far the best option for Stoke to progress,they are local.they are charitable,they support the club and the local area. |
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 28, 2023 8:39:49 GMT
Read this story on the BBC, horrific rise and fall from grace, we might not like everything our owners have done over the past 6-7 years, but crikey some of this 'new' money from abroad is steeped in risk and endangerment of the clubs involved Football teams are just playthings to these people www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65042578 Anyone who questions the Coates families tenure as Stoke owners should look at what happens when someone who as you say is taking on a club as a plaything, the Coates family are by far the best option for Stoke to progress,they are local.they are charitable,they support the club and the local area. Anyone who doesn't question the owners of any club when their actions have led to a decline in its fortunes is plain daft. The Coates family have made catastrophic decisions in the last 6 years that have seen us nearly relegated to the third tier AGAIN under their leadership. The reason they are propping the club up with their wealth is directly down to their actions and inactions. I am happy that we're locally owned, have access to great resource and not run by shysters and chancers but they need to change. |
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Post by scfc75 on Mar 28, 2023 8:43:08 GMT
Read this story on the BBC, horrific rise and fall from grace, we might not like everything our owners have done over the past 6-7 years, but crikey some of this 'new' money from abroad is steeped in risk and endangerment of the clubs involved Football teams are just playthings to these people www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65042578 Anyone who questions the Coates families tenure as Stoke owners should look at what happens when someone who as you say is taking on a club as a plaything, the Coates family are by far the best option for Stoke to progress,they are local.they are charitable,they support the club and the local area. The options aren’t only a) The Coates’ or b) A catastrophic foreigner who wrecks the club. I don’t understand how some of our fans can’t comprehend that it might just be possible that we can do better. |
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Post by Robo10 on Mar 28, 2023 9:04:03 GMT
I dont think anyone is saying their arent more options, the post is intended to show what can happen with investors who are not what they seem, whether they turn up with a shiny wallet full of cash or not.
I doubt anybody thought Peter Ridsdale didnt have Leeds interest at heart when they nearly went bankrupt, or the Sunderland owners, or the previous Villa owner, Bolton, Wigan etc etc
We do know Coatsey isnt just going to pack up and leave us in the shit though - but they arent above criticism on the last 7 years management of the club - everything doesnt have to be an argument in an empty room!
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 28, 2023 12:38:35 GMT
I've said it repeatedly and I can say it again: I hope the Coates family will stay in charge of this club for many years to come, we couldn't really hope for better owners. People who haven't seen this yet need to get to the specsavers instantly!  |
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Post by skemstokie on Mar 28, 2023 13:55:45 GMT
Anyone who questions the Coates families tenure as Stoke owners should look at what happens when someone who as you say is taking on a club as a plaything, the Coates family are by far the best option for Stoke to progress,they are local.they are charitable,they support the club and the local area. The options aren’t only a) The Coates’ or b) A catastrophic foreigner who wrecks the club. I don’t understand how some of our fans can’t comprehend that it might just be possible that we can do better. You make a list of options who you think would be better? Local, charitable.and not out to make money from the venture. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Mar 28, 2023 14:04:55 GMT
Our owners have made many questionable decisions over the past few years but never have I wanted them out of our club.
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Post by Northy on Mar 28, 2023 14:06:40 GMT
I went to Malaga about 10 years ago, nice ground and a nice view up to the castle, and vice versa.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 28, 2023 15:22:18 GMT
The options aren’t only a) The Coates’ or b) A catastrophic foreigner who wrecks the club. I don’t understand how some of our fans can’t comprehend that it might just be possible that we can do better. You make a list of options who you think would be better? Local, charitable.and not out to make money from the venture. I love these posts 😀 |
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Post by scfc75 on Mar 28, 2023 16:26:09 GMT
The options aren’t only a) The Coates’ or b) A catastrophic foreigner who wrecks the club. I don’t understand how some of our fans can’t comprehend that it might just be possible that we can do better. You make a list of options who you think would be better? Local, charitable.and not out to make money from the venture. So you want a guy whose specialism isn’t ‘investors who might buy Stoke City’ to come up with a viable list of successors, and if I can’t, then it proves that there’s nobody out there? 😂 |
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Post by pieofpeter on Mar 28, 2023 18:30:55 GMT
I feel for them but they had a great side at one point.
HTC Sevens did a YouTube video on this a while back. It's well worth watching.
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Post by awrypotter on Mar 28, 2023 19:10:17 GMT
Anyone who questions the Coates families tenure as Stoke owners should look at what happens when someone who as you say is taking on a club as a plaything, the Coates family are by far the best option for Stoke to progress,they are local.they are charitable,they support the club and the local area. Anyone who doesn't question the owners of any club when their actions have led to a decline in its fortunes is plain daft. The Coates family have made catastrophic decisions in the last 6 years that have seen us nearly relegated to the third tier AGAIN under their leadership. The reason they are propping the club up with their wealth is directly down to their actions and inactions. I am happy that we're locally owned, have access to great resource and not run by shysters and chancers but they need to change. Do you think that other clubs do not make mistakes for example in appointing managers as well as many other bad decisions? Southampton appointed Nathan Jones after he was at Stoke. Manchester City have breached FFP on over 100 occasions. We all know what happened to Chelsea. There are numerous examples of bad owners. We are extremely fortunate. If anyone can't see that I think they must be delusional. We must be envied by most football supporters. |
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Post by UsAndThem on Mar 28, 2023 19:56:33 GMT
Anyone who questions the Coates families tenure as Stoke owners should look at what happens when someone who as you say is taking on a club as a plaything, the Coates family are by far the best option for Stoke to progress,they are local.they are charitable,they support the club and the local area. Anyone who doesn't question the owners of any club when their actions have led to a decline in its fortunes is plain daft. The Coates family have made catastrophic decisions in the last 6 years that have seen us nearly relegated to the third tier AGAIN under their leadership. The reason they are propping the club up with their wealth is directly down to their actions and inactions. I am happy that we're locally owned, have access to great resource and not run by shysters and chancers but they need to change. They also gave us 10 years in the Premiership after some bleak years under Icelandic ownership. I dare say that had it not been for the Coates families personal generosity towards the club, we’d be playing the likes of Vale, Burton or Crewe twice a season. I understand mistakes have been made but they were all made with the best intentions. You can’t question that. |
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Post by skemstokie on Mar 28, 2023 20:46:42 GMT
Anyone who doesn't question the owners of any club when their actions have led to a decline in its fortunes is plain daft. The Coates family have made catastrophic decisions in the last 6 years that have seen us nearly relegated to the third tier AGAIN under their leadership. The reason they are propping the club up with their wealth is directly down to their actions and inactions. I am happy that we're locally owned, have access to great resource and not run by shysters and chancers but they need to change. They also gave us 10 years in the Premiership after some bleak years under Icelandic ownership. I dare say that had it not been for the Coates families personal generosity towards the club, we’d be playing the likes of Vale, Burton or Crewe twice a season. I understand mistakes have been made but they were all made with the best intentions. You can’t question that. I agree.you only after to look at the journey Sunderland have been on under overseas investors,much better with a local benefactors. |
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Post by thanksjon on Mar 29, 2023 13:43:54 GMT
Every club makes mistakes but I don't believe that the Coates family have ever done anything that they did not think was in the clubs beasts interests.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 29, 2023 17:27:57 GMT
Anyone who doesn't question the owners of any club when their actions have led to a decline in its fortunes is plain daft. The Coates family have made catastrophic decisions in the last 6 years that have seen us nearly relegated to the third tier AGAIN under their leadership. The reason they are propping the club up with their wealth is directly down to their actions and inactions. I am happy that we're locally owned, have access to great resource and not run by shysters and chancers but they need to change. Do you think that other clubs do not make mistakes for example in appointing managers as well as many other bad decisions? Southampton appointed Nathan Jones after he was at Stoke. Manchester City have breached FFP on over 100 occasions. We all know what happened to Chelsea. There are numerous examples of bad owners. We are extremely fortunate. If anyone can't see that I think they must be delusional. We must be envied by most football supporters. I'm happy that other clubs make bad decisions as it makes our job easier. We should be making better decisions. We're nearly relegated after spending a near unprecedented amount in the Championship. What's that all about? Bad luck? |
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 29, 2023 17:31:05 GMT
Anyone who doesn't question the owners of any club when their actions have led to a decline in its fortunes is plain daft. The Coates family have made catastrophic decisions in the last 6 years that have seen us nearly relegated to the third tier AGAIN under their leadership. The reason they are propping the club up with their wealth is directly down to their actions and inactions. I am happy that we're locally owned, have access to great resource and not run by shysters and chancers but they need to change. They also gave us 10 years in the Premiership after some bleak years under Icelandic ownership. I dare say that had it not been for the Coates families personal generosity towards the club, we’d be playing the likes of Vale, Burton or Crewe twice a season. I understand mistakes have been made but they were all made with the best intentions. You can’t question that. Completely agree. If they continue making bad decisions then we will be playing them again, like we did before under there tenure-ship. |
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Post by UsAndThem on Mar 29, 2023 19:12:20 GMT
They also gave us 10 years in the Premiership after some bleak years under Icelandic ownership. I dare say that had it not been for the Coates families personal generosity towards the club, we’d be playing the likes of Vale, Burton or Crewe twice a season. I understand mistakes have been made but they were all made with the best intentions. You can’t question that. Completely agree. If they continue making bad decisions then we will be playing them again, like we did before under their tenure-ship. What scenario or who would you prefer instead of the Coates family owning the club then? |
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Post by skip on Mar 29, 2023 19:18:13 GMT
Anyone who doesn't question the owners of any club when their actions have led to a decline in its fortunes is plain daft. The Coates family have made catastrophic decisions in the last 6 years that have seen us nearly relegated to the third tier AGAIN under their leadership. The reason they are propping the club up with their wealth is directly down to their actions and inactions. I am happy that we're locally owned, have access to great resource and not run by shysters and chancers but they need to change. They also gave us 10 years in the Premiership after some bleak years under Icelandic ownership. I dare say that had it not been for the Coates families personal generosity towards the club, we’d be playing the likes of Vale, Burton or Crewe twice a season. I understand mistakes have been made but they were all made with the best intentions. You can’t question that. Just to correct the record, buying a controlling share in Stoke City from Coates, the Icelandic consortium saved us from going under. We don't need to re-write the clubs history to make a point about the Bet365 era Coates ownership. |
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Post by skip on Mar 29, 2023 19:20:29 GMT
Every club makes mistakes but I don't believe that the Coates family have ever done anything that they did not think was in the clubs beasts interests. Many people make unwise decisions based on supposed best interests but that doesn't make them good decisions. Things appear to be getting better nowadays, but Stoke has been managed top down on a wing and a prayer since they sacked Hughes. |
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Post by UsAndThem on Mar 29, 2023 19:57:07 GMT
They also gave us 10 years in the Premiership after some bleak years under Icelandic ownership. I dare say that had it not been for the Coates families personal generosity towards the club, we’d be playing the likes of Vale, Burton or Crewe twice a season. I understand mistakes have been made but they were all made with the best intentions. You can’t question that. Just to correct the record, buying a controlling share in Stoke City from Coates, the Icelandic consortium saved us from going under. We don't need to re-write the clubs history to make a point about the Bet365 era Coates ownership. I’m not trying to re-write history by any means. I’m not denying that may have saved the club however, you can’t seriously say that being owned by a foreign consortium would be better than our current situation and there’s no denying that they were bleak years under the Icelandic ownership. Then Peter Coates came back and promised to make amends. Which he has more than done. Name a club who has had more seasons in the Premiership than us (that have been relegated at least once) which hasn’t spent a considerable period being unable to get back to the premiership. Even the likes of Southampton, Leicester and Fulham had periods of 4,5 or 6 years away from the Premiership. Blackburn have spent more seasons than us in the premiership and still can’t get close to getting back there. Then you look at the likes of Coventry and Sunderland. Similar years to us in the premiership and spent years in league 2. (Excluding West Ham and Everton from the above). I’m not sure what some people expect or who they’d rather have in charge. And regarding mistakes, yeah, plenty have been made but none malicious or for their own greed or for their own pocket. |
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Post by awrypotter on Mar 29, 2023 20:02:27 GMT
Every club makes mistakes but I don't believe that the Coates family have ever done anything that they did not think was in the clubs beasts interests. Many people make unwise decisions based on supposed best interests but that doesn't make them good decisions. Things appear to be getting better nowadays, but Stoke has been managed top down on a wing and a prayer since they sacked Hughes. Surely the point is that there have been and will be many owners of other clubs who do not have the interests of the club at heart when they make decisions. The only bad decisions our owners have made have been to appoint managers who were not able to rebuild the squad of players successfully. Until now that is. It is extremely naive to think that owners can at any time go out and recruit the perfect manager for their club. Otherwise why do we always have the constant merry go round of managers. Classic examples include Leeds sacking Brian Clough after 6 weeks and Manchester United almost sacking Alex Ferguson after his first season. So other than taking a few attempts to find the right manager for our club I don't see what 'catastrophic decisions' our owners have made. |
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Post by Davef on Mar 29, 2023 21:04:23 GMT
A group of us went to Malaga in June 2019 to celebrate my brother's 50th. We got to see Malaga's final game of the season, a 3-0 victory over Elche. They finished 3rd in La Liga 2 but lost in the play off semi final to Deportivo La Coruna.
It's pretty much gone tits up for them since we took the Stoke curse inside their stadium.
On the subject of Spanish sides, Valencia had better get their fingers out or they'll be a La Liga 2 club next season.
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Post by skip on Mar 29, 2023 23:35:57 GMT
Just to correct the record, buying a controlling share in Stoke City from Coates, the Icelandic consortium saved us from going under. We don't need to re-write the clubs history to make a point about the Bet365 era Coates ownership. I’m not trying to re-write history by any means. I’m not denying that may have saved the club however, you can’t seriously say that being owned by a foreign consortium would be better than our current situation and there’s no denying that they were bleak years under the Icelandic ownership. Then Peter Coates came back and promised to make amends. Which he has more than done. Name a club who has had more seasons in the Premiership than us (that have been relegated at least once) which hasn’t spent a considerable period being unable to get back to the premiership. Even the likes of Southampton, Leicester and Fulham had periods of 4,5 or 6 years away from the Premiership. Blackburn have spent more seasons than us in the premiership and still can’t get close to getting back there. Then you look at the likes of Coventry and Sunderland. Similar years to us in the premiership and spent years in league 2. (Excluding West Ham and Everton from the above). I’m not sure what some people expect or who they’d rather have in charge. And regarding mistakes, yeah, plenty have been made but none malicious or for their own greed or for their own pocket. When he sold Stoke to the Icelandic consortium, Peter Coates insisted on a golden share. Whether he did it for the interests of Stoke City, or his future benefit is anyone's guess. If the Icelandic consortium had arrived at the promised land of online gambling before Denise, they could easily be our wealthy backers of twenty years and standing. Who knows. What I do know is, the ownership of Stoke by Peter Coates/the family has been far from perfect. Am I glad they're still the owners? I'm glad they've turned a corner, of that I can be certain. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 30, 2023 6:35:05 GMT
Just wonder how the Bet365 brand has faired over the last 20 years with its SCFC links? Is this an ulterior motive for the Coates family particularly when we were PL and had global exposure?
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Post by Northy on Mar 30, 2023 9:01:54 GMT
A group of us went to Malaga in June 2019 to celebrate my brother's 50th. We got to see Malaga's final game of the season, a 3-0 victory over Elche. They finished 3rd in La Liga 2 but lost in the play off semi final to Deportivo La Coruna. It's pretty much gone tits up for them since we took the Stoke curse inside their stadium. On the subject of Spanish sides, Valencia had better get their fingers out or they'll be a La Liga 2 club next season. Sevilla are in the mix as well, it's a bit like the Premier League bottom half over there this season, only 6 points separating 11th-19th positions. |
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 30, 2023 9:17:58 GMT
Completely agree. If they continue making bad decisions then we will be playing them again, like we did before under their tenure-ship. What scenario or who would you prefer instead of the Coates family owning the club then? Where have I said I don't want them as owners? I just want them to do better and not relegate us AGAIN to the third tier despite being amongst the richest owners in world football. |
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Post by thevoid on Mar 30, 2023 9:28:36 GMT
Anyone who doesn't question the owners of any club when their actions have led to a decline in its fortunes is plain daft. The Coates family have made catastrophic decisions in the last 6 years that have seen us nearly relegated to the third tier AGAIN under their leadership. The reason they are propping the club up with their wealth is directly down to their actions and inactions. I am happy that we're locally owned, have access to great resource and not run by shysters and chancers but they need to change. They also gave us 10 years in the Premiership after some bleak years under Icelandic ownership. I dare say that had it not been for the Coates families personal generosity towards the club, we’d be playing the likes of Vale, Burton or Crewe twice a season. I understand mistakes have been made but they were all made with the best intentions. You can’t question that. The Icelandic owners who saved the club from hurtling to the fourth tier under the previous Coates stewardship, and who broke our (then) transfer record twice you mean? |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 30, 2023 9:50:03 GMT
The world of football finance is figuratively on fire, you've got clubs who you wouldn't even regard as notably ambitious or spending money they don't have losing millions upon millions every year. With their survival totally dependent on the success of the owner's business and continued provision of loans.
We are no different in that regard, if bet365 were to collapse tomorrow or if say there was far more stringent regulation on gambling in the UK then we would be in the same boat.
This is the reason why football attracts so many shysters because there's always a bigger fool around the corner looking to take something off your hands for more money than you acquired it for, it's just a game of chicken as to whether you can pawn it off before the bills catch up with you. I hesitate to call this a money from abroad problem too, because there's plenty of domestic owners who have driven clubs into the dirt in recent years.
When it comes to the Coates family, I think this is where any kind of binary "Coates In/Coates Out" is just so inadequate, they provide us with a tonne of stability through their continued commitment so that we don't "Do a Derby" in terms of our books. But the other side of the argument is that we could realistically be playing in the same division as Derby next year despite their woe. We came down in 2018 following a TV deal in 2017 which launched PL clubs way over and above what any EFL club could possibly even begin to compete with. We are the only club to come down in that time who have not managed to reach the playoffs at least once, despite being the club arguably best placed to make an instant return and with by far the most stable ownership and this is down to one reason, the club being run like a dated circus since 2017 onwards.
There's been some positive signs this season that things are changing, but again these have come from Alex Neil and will collapse if Neil is sacked because of the agency we give the manager. We are kept in a state of almost constant transition as a result.
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