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Post by dutchstokie on Feb 27, 2023 10:47:00 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Feb 27, 2023 11:33:44 GMT
Nothing should be censored. If you don’t like the content stay away.
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Post by musik on Feb 27, 2023 11:54:10 GMT
Vi live in a time where differences are considered ugly. All they do now is putting values on physical characteristics.
In hundred years from now everything will be reset to what it was and all the differences among people will be considered something beautiful.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 27, 2023 12:06:43 GMT
I don’t really mind people removing the N word. It’s hard to understand a case for the rest of it. |
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Post by slash on Feb 27, 2023 12:07:42 GMT
absolute insanity.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 27, 2023 12:22:38 GMT
Nothing should be censored. If you don’t like the content stay away. Just do two versions. The one for normal people and another for the easily offended/triggered/touched etc. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 27, 2023 13:01:59 GMT
Like what on earth is wrong with what was written originally and how completely lame is it's replacement? “Bond could hear the audience panting and grunting like pigs at the trough. He felt his own hands gripping the tablecloth. His mouth was dry," reads the original text which has been rewritten to, “Bond could sense the electric tension in the room.” I don't know why Flemming's publishers don't just tell them to fuck off, they're destroying his art. Oh and for avoidance of doubt, this sort of thing, most certainly is 'woke'. |
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Post by dexter97 on Feb 27, 2023 13:37:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 14:07:11 GMT
Like what on earth is wrong with what was written originally and how completely lame is it's replacement? “Bond could hear the audience panting and grunting like pigs at the trough. He felt his own hands gripping the tablecloth. His mouth was dry," reads the original text which has been rewritten to, “Bond could sense the electric tension in the room.” I don't know why Flemming's publishers don't just tell them to fuck off, they're destroying his art.Oh and for avoidance of doubt, this sort of thing, most certainly is 'woke'. I think the publishers pre-emptively come to heel through fear of the consequences of not doing so. It's partly the same reason IMO why so many powerful organisations seem to yield to the worldviews of an extreme fringe in society; to the utter bewilderment of most of us. It's also unhelpful that here's an undercurrent of otherwise good, smart people who try to claim that the ideologies driving this sort of shit are perpetuated by such a minority that any fears we express are an over-reaction. But this misses the point entirely; the fact that this screeching minority clearly wields such disproportionate power and control should send shivers down spines. To steal and reword an observation; we're extremely good as a society at identifying and preventing far-right extremism, but we're clearly fucking useless (in the west at least) at identifying far-left extremism. Because, to the utter bemusement of the many in our societies who are from old communist bloc countries and naturally don't have this blind spot, we've allowed these tapped cunts to start an ideological war in the west that we have an almighty job now to suppress. The genie is out of the bottle and fuck knows if it'll ever go back in. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 27, 2023 14:16:02 GMT
Like what on earth is wrong with what was written originally and how completely lame is it's replacement? “Bond could hear the audience panting and grunting like pigs at the trough. He felt his own hands gripping the tablecloth. His mouth was dry," reads the original text which has been rewritten to, “Bond could sense the electric tension in the room.” I don't know why Flemming's publishers don't just tell them to fuck off, they're destroying his art.Oh and for avoidance of doubt, this sort of thing, most certainly is 'woke'. I think the publishers pre-emptively come to heel through fear of the consequences of not doing so. It's partly the same reason IMO why so many powerful organisations seem to yield to the worldviews of an extreme fringe in society; to the utter bewilderment of most of us. It's also unhelpful that here's an undercurrent of otherwise good, smart people who try to claim that the ideologies driving this sort of shit are perpetuated by such a minority that any fears we express are an over-reaction. But this misses the point entirely; the fact that this screeching minority clearly wields such disproportionate power and control should send shivers down spines. To steal and reword an observation; we're extremely good as a society at identifying and preventing far-right extremism, but we're clearly fucking useless (in the west at least) at identifying far-left extremism. Because, to the utter bemusement of the many in our societies who are from old communist bloc countries and naturally don't have this blind spot, we've allowed these tapped cunts to start an ideological war in the west that we have an almighty job now to suppress. The genie is out of the bottle and fuck knows if it'll ever go back in. Completely on the money mate. What I'm hoping is, that we're currently living in an age where many aspects of Western culture have lurched way too far to the left and it's going to take a while for things to rebound to a more balanced position. Hopefully later on in this century, people will look back on the first three decades of the 21st Century and see that we (as a society) did need to do a bit of growing up but that we just went way, way too far initially. The fact that so many are so frightened by the ideology of so few currently, is extremely worrying however. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 14:35:19 GMT
I think the publishers pre-emptively come to heel through fear of the consequences of not doing so. It's partly the same reason IMO why so many powerful organisations seem to yield to the worldviews of an extreme fringe in society; to the utter bewilderment of most of us. It's also unhelpful that here's an undercurrent of otherwise good, smart people who try to claim that the ideologies driving this sort of shit are perpetuated by such a minority that any fears we express are an over-reaction. But this misses the point entirely; the fact that this screeching minority clearly wields such disproportionate power and control should send shivers down spines. To steal and reword an observation; we're extremely good as a society at identifying and preventing far-right extremism, but we're clearly fucking useless (in the west at least) at identifying far-left extremism. Because, to the utter bemusement of the many in our societies who are from old communist bloc countries and naturally don't have this blind spot, we've allowed these tapped cunts to start an ideological war in the west that we have an almighty job now to suppress. The genie is out of the bottle and fuck knows if it'll ever go back in. Completely on the money mate. What I'm hoping is, that we're currently living in an age where many aspects of Western culture have lurched way too far to the left and it's going to take a while for things to rebound to a more balanced position. Hopefully later on in this century, people will look back on the first three decades of the 21st Century and see that we (as a society) did need to do a bit of growing up but that we just went way, way too far initially. The fact that so many are so frightened by the ideology of so few currently, is extremely worrying however. I guess if I’m being hopeful rather than pessimistic then you’d imagine that democracy will serve its main purpose and we’ll naturally steady as a society. Its why, even when democracy/voting can feel so futile at times, it’s important that there’s constant dialogue between right/left and every variation on the spectrum. Because some sort of societal equalibrium will be reached. And, conversely, it’s why this assault on language and history is so fucking dangerous. And why those who haven’t (yet) spotted the danger and play it down as an over-reaction are part of the problem. Because when what people can say/think is suppressed then equalibrium becomes impossible and you leave yourself open to the type of extremism that has led to some of the worst episodes of mass human misery imaginable. It’s not like it’s a new thing in the west to veer too far one way or the other; it’s just our experience has tended to be far right, hence why we seem unprepared to deal with what’s happening currently. It’s like an invasive species and the native fauna have not evolved appropriate defence mechanisms yet. Open dialogue is the solution. Part of the reason why this is happening now IMO is social media/internet and the ability of corporations to suppress open dialogue. Eg; corporations like Facebook/google etc are pressured / have natural political leanings, then those with opposing views to the dominant ideology can get shut down. There’s been quite a lot of sneering at those on the right decrying their lack of free speech/censorship. But it truly is fucking vital. |
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Post by dexter97 on Feb 27, 2023 14:54:48 GMT
I think the publishers pre-emptively come to heel through fear of the consequences of not doing so. It's partly the same reason IMO why so many powerful organisations seem to yield to the worldviews of an extreme fringe in society; to the utter bewilderment of most of us. It's also unhelpful that here's an undercurrent of otherwise good, smart people who try to claim that the ideologies driving this sort of shit are perpetuated by such a minority that any fears we express are an over-reaction. But this misses the point entirely; the fact that this screeching minority clearly wields such disproportionate power and control should send shivers down spines. To steal and reword an observation; we're extremely good as a society at identifying and preventing far-right extremism, but we're clearly fucking useless (in the west at least) at identifying far-left extremism. Because, to the utter bemusement of the many in our societies who are from old communist bloc countries and naturally don't have this blind spot, we've allowed these tapped cunts to start an ideological war in the west that we have an almighty job now to suppress. The genie is out of the bottle and fuck knows if it'll ever go back in. Completely on the money mate. What I'm hoping is, that we're currently living in an age where many aspects of Western culture have lurched way too far to the left and it's going to take a while for things to rebound to a more balanced position. Hopefully later on in this century, people will look back on the first three decades of the 21st Century and see that we (as a society) did need to do a bit of growing up but that we just went way, way too far initially. The fact that so many are so frightened by the ideology of so few currently, is extremely worrying however. I remember listening to someone talking about MeToo a few years ago, acknowledging that some of it had gone OTT, but arguing that social change was a pendulum that would inevitably swing too far past before eventually coming back to rest at a happy medium. It feels like (and I very much hope) we’ve reached that extreme. Many of the people I choose to knock about with are thoughtful, sensitive, liberal types that would generally support these causes, but we’re all a bit tired of some of the nonsense that’s been dominating the news recently. That said, I do wonder how much of all this with Roald Dahl and now Fleming is genuine overzealous ‘wokeness’, or whether it’s just a marketing stunt. I believe Mr Dahl’s books have been flying off the shelves in the last couple of weeks.  |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 27, 2023 15:02:30 GMT
Completely on the money mate. What I'm hoping is, that we're currently living in an age where many aspects of Western culture have lurched way too far to the left and it's going to take a while for things to rebound to a more balanced position. Hopefully later on in this century, people will look back on the first three decades of the 21st Century and see that we (as a society) did need to do a bit of growing up but that we just went way, way too far initially. The fact that so many are so frightened by the ideology of so few currently, is extremely worrying however. I guess if I’m being hopeful rather than pessimistic then you’d imagine that democracy will serve its main purpose and we’ll naturally steady as a society. Its why, even when democracy/voting can feel so futile at times, it’s important that there’s constant dialogue between right/left and every variation on the spectrum. Because some sort of societal equalibrium will be reached. And, conversely, it’s why this assault on language and history is so fucking dangerous. And why those who haven’t (yet) spotted the danger and play it down as an over-reaction are part of the problem. Because when what people can say/think is suppressed then equalibrium becomes impossible and you leave yourself open to the type of extremism that has led to some of the worst episodes of mass human misery imaginable. It’s not like it’s a new thing in the west to veer too far one way or the other; it’s just our experience has tended to be far right, hence why we seem unprepared to deal with what’s happening currently. It’s like an invasive species and the native fauna have not evolved appropriate defence mechanisms yet. Open dialogue is the solution. Part of the reason why this is happening now IMO is social media/internet and the ability of corporations to suppress open dialogue. Eg; corporations like Facebook/google etc are pressured / have natural political leanings, then those with opposing views to the dominant ideology can get shut down. There’s been quite a lot of sneering at those on the right decrying their lack of free speech/censorship. But it truly is fucking vital. Again, I agree with every word of that chap. |
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Post by salopstick on Feb 27, 2023 17:28:30 GMT
Nothing should be censored. If you don’t like the content stay away. Just do two versions. The one for normal people and another for the easily offended/triggered/touched etc. No A book is what it is If you don’t like the content. Choose a different book |
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Post by salopstick on Feb 27, 2023 17:30:15 GMT
I remember when they used to edit films to cut out the swearing or tits.
Stop
Just show it after the watershed.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 27, 2023 18:01:43 GMT
I remember when they used to edit films to cut out the swearing or tits. Stop Just show it after the watershed. Exactly. Or stick a red triangle on it so the youngsters can know which films might provide an opportunity to take Captain Picard to warp speed once the parents have fucked off to bed, like the good old days of Channel 4... |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 27, 2023 18:03:21 GMT
Just do two versions. The one for normal people and another for the easily offended/triggered/touched etc. No A book is what it is If you don’t like the content. Choose a different book It’s not like Cranny to be diplomatic😉 |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 27, 2023 18:18:49 GMT
No A book is what it is If you don’t like the content. Choose a different book It’s not like Cranny to be diplomatic😉 If it was badgers I'd say cull all the cunts. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 27, 2023 18:19:08 GMT
I remember when they used to edit films to cut out the swearing or tits. Stop Just show it after the watershed. You old bastard. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 27, 2023 18:24:42 GMT
It’s not like Cranny to be diplomatic😉 If it was badgers I'd say cull all the cunts. I know, ya wanker😀 |
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Post by raythesailor on Feb 28, 2023 8:24:37 GMT
Interesting (and alarming)that the books are being edited.
However I do wonder how many people actually read the originals today?
I read them all and very much enjoyed them many years ago as a teenager.
When I see references to Bond I often wonder should I re read them and decide no as they are probably quite dated now.
As an aside I am currently binge watching A Spy Among Friends on ITV X which covers the spy scandals of Messrs Philby and Bloom etc and the Fleming character features in the story, with a trainee agent sitting in a wet suit at the bottom of a swimming pool. He surfaces, climbs out and removes the suit wearing a dinner jacket and bow tie beneath! Probably not true but an amusing little moment in a very good and interesting drama.
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Post by hoffgreen on Feb 28, 2023 11:08:14 GMT
Lights the coolest cigarette ever, wins big money and tips the dealer, pulls a bird and tells HER to call him then tips the doorman on the way out...All while wearing a Tuxedo and Dickie Bow..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2023 8:24:19 GMT
Classic Partridge, and exactly what my first thought was when I saw the title of this thread 🤣 |
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