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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 28, 2023 22:08:30 GMT
It should be: Sarkic Sterling Tuanzebe Wilmot Fox Pearson Laurent Smallbone Campbell Lowe Celina 6 loans.........ace........Brown for Celina and swap him and Campbell around. Lowe š Yes he's much better than the other options up front.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Feb 28, 2023 22:14:36 GMT
When is Powell back?
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Post by willieeetmiout on Feb 28, 2023 22:14:57 GMT
Yes he's much better than the other options up front. You know yourself that at this stage in his career that is absolute nonsense. The lads played less than 20 u18 games and less than 10 PL2 games. Hes mustered about 10 mins of first team football. Let the lad develop. Maybe 20 mins here and there. Danny Baath as bad as he is would eat him up and spit him out. No different than Collins getting battered for 90 mins by Tom Pope not so long back.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 28, 2023 22:18:50 GMT
Yes he's much better than the other options up front. You know yourself that at this stage in his career that is absolute nonsense. The lads played less than 20 u18 games and less than 10 PL2 games. Hes mustered about 10 mins of first team football. Let the lad develop. Maybe 20 mins here and there. Danny Baath as bad as he is would eat him up and spit him out. No different than Collins getting battered for 90 mins by Tom Pope not so long back. Him and Tezgel are better options than Brown or Gayle. Ideally I'd agree with you but the situation is we have two known utterly shit strikers that need dropping. I have no idea why anyone would want either of them starting for us up front. Brown will get hammered by Batth, there's no difference.
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Post by etebojan on Feb 28, 2023 22:23:09 GMT
Yes he's much better than the other options up front. You know yourself that at this stage in his career that is absolute nonsense. The lads played less than 20 u18 games and less than 10 PL2 games. Hes mustered about 10 mins of first team football. Let the lad develop. Maybe 20 mins here and there. Danny Baath as bad as he is would eat him up and spit him out. No different than Collins getting battered for 90 mins by Tom Pope not so long back. The alternative being we watch Gayle starting and not scoring for the rest of the season. Obviously in an ideal world he's get eased in, but if he's good enough to be on the bench or get minutes against Brighton and hold his own, he's good enough to get at least half a game. Why not rotate him and Tezgel 45 mins each see how they get on
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 28, 2023 22:24:56 GMT
Whatever the team lose Saturday and we are in desperate trouble first names for me sarkic , axel , Sterling , wilmot
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Post by Block 26 on Feb 28, 2023 22:27:42 GMT
Whatever the team lose Saturday and we are in desperate trouble first names for me sarkic , axel , Sterling , wilmotĀ āDesperate troubleā is a bit over the top. Weāre currently 9 points clear of the relegation zone.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Feb 28, 2023 22:33:21 GMT
You know yourself that at this stage in his career that is absolute nonsense. The lads played less than 20 u18 games and less than 10 PL2 games. Hes mustered about 10 mins of first team football. Let the lad develop. Maybe 20 mins here and there. Danny Baath as bad as he is would eat him up and spit him out. No different than Collins getting battered for 90 mins by Tom Pope not so long back. The alternative being we watch Gayle starting and not scoring for the rest of the season. Obviously in an ideal world he's get eased in, but if he's good enough to be on the bench or get minutes against Brighton and hold his own, he's good enough to get at least half a game. Why not rotate him and Tezgel 45 mins each see how they get onĀ I mean that honestly is a ridiculous suggestion. I can count on 1 hand the amount of 17 year old strikers who play first team football and regularly score. Alan Shearer between the ages of 17 and 20 scored 10 in 77 apps. Harry Kane was 12 in 40 apps. 5 of those at League 1 level. Ronaldo was 21 in 123apps.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 28, 2023 23:00:20 GMT
Sarkic
Sterling Tuanzebe Wilmot Fox
Pearson
Laurent Smallbone
Campbell Lowe Brown
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 28, 2023 23:08:50 GMT
The alternative being we watch Gayle starting and not scoring for the rest of the season. Obviously in an ideal world he's get eased in, but if he's good enough to be on the bench or get minutes against Brighton and hold his own, he's good enough to get at least half a game. Why not rotate him and Tezgel 45 mins each see how they get onĀ I mean that honestly is a ridiculous suggestion. I can count on 1 hand the amount of 17 year old strikers who play first team football and regularly score. Alan Shearer between the ages of 17 and 20 scored 10 in 77 apps. Harry Kane was 12 in 40 apps. 5 of those at League 1 level. Ronaldo was 21 in 123apps. So letās stick with what we know doesnāt work. Great logic.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2023 23:13:34 GMT
Whatever the team lose Saturday and we are in desperate trouble first names for me sarkic , axel , Sterling , wilmotĀ Realistically we need six or seven points to stay up in 12 games. It will be nowhere near 50 points this season. We are 9 points clear with a far superior goal difference which is worth another point.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Feb 28, 2023 23:17:21 GMT
I mean that honestly is a ridiculous suggestion. I can count on 1 hand the amount of 17 year old strikers who play first team football and regularly score. Alan Shearer between the ages of 17 and 20 scored 10 in 77 apps. Harry Kane was 12 in 40 apps. 5 of those at League 1 level. Ronaldo was 21 in 123apps. So letās stick with what we know doesnāt work. Great logic. And if Lowe averages Shearer / Ronaldo / Kane he will score no more than what Jacob Brown averages for us. He could of course be the next Maradona and average 1 in 3. We could of course ruin him to to satisfy your lust for youth players? Great logic.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 28, 2023 23:22:41 GMT
So letās stick with what we know doesnāt work. Great logic. And if Lowe averages Shearer / Ronaldo / Kane he will score no more than what Jacob Brown averages for us. He could of course be the next Maradona and average 1 in 3. We could of course ruin him to to satisfy your lust for youth players? Great logic. Itās not just about scoring though. Lowe can trap and pass a ball. Brown struggles to. Brown clearly isnāt a striker and should be out wide. That leaves the 1 in 20 odd man.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 28, 2023 23:22:57 GMT
Sarkic
Sterling Tuanzabe Wilmot Fox
Laurent Pearson Smallbone
Brown Gayle Campbell
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Post by cheadlepotter on Feb 28, 2023 23:23:23 GMT
Iām not sure where we are with injuries but in an ideal world
Sarkic Sterling/Hoever Tuanzebe Wilmot Tymon Laurent Pearson Campbell Powell Celina Tezgel
Try to beat them on the ground. I prefer Tezgel and using inside forwards than using Lowe in an aerial battle with an experienced Batth, though to be honest I know very little about Loweās ability on the ball either.
If Powell isnāt fit, give Baker a go as the most forward of the midfield three. Itās harsh on Smallbone, but Sarkic, Sterling/Hoever, Tuanzebe and Pearson have to play when fit and Iād give Celina another go. Hopefully we can convince Sterling to sign permanently soon so weāre only dropping one loanee.
However, I fully expect
Sarkic Sterling Wilmot Jagielka Fox Pearson Laurent Smallbone Brown Gayle Campbell
With Clucas coming on to make sure we remain behind until the end.
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Post by march4 on Feb 28, 2023 23:52:12 GMT
A front 3 of Campbell Brown Tymon looks nailed on to me for the rest of the season.
Hopefully the 4 at the back will settle but I suspect the 5 loanees to start will be Sarkic, Sterling, Pearson and Smallbone plus one of the two defenders. That means Fox or Jagielka will have to play.
In midfield, Laurent to fill in the final place alongside Smallbone and Pearson.
I donāt think thatās a bad team if we could replace Brown with a genuine goal scorer.
I just hope we have enough freedom to give Lowe and Tezgel time in games so they are ready to play a bigger role next season.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 1, 2023 0:16:57 GMT
I mean that honestly is a ridiculous suggestion. I can count on 1 hand the amount of 17 year old strikers who play first team football and regularly score. Alan Shearer between the ages of 17 and 20 scored 10 in 77 apps. Harry Kane was 12 in 40 apps. 5 of those at League 1 level. Ronaldo was 21 in 123apps. So letās stick with what we know doesnāt work. Great logic. What we know will get us over the line and that will do as it stands then reassess, Lowe is in by default and not particularly on merit, I don't get the desperation with rushing him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 1, 2023 6:27:50 GMT
So letās stick with what we know doesnāt work. Great logic. What we know will get us over the line and that will do as it stands then reassess, Lowe is in by default and not particularly on merit, I don't get the desperation with rushing him. He is there by default but it should be merit (on the bench anyway). He is currently the best option to lead the line and thatās all that matters.
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Post by Veritas on Mar 1, 2023 7:31:24 GMT
A front 3 of Campbell Brown Tymon looks nailed on to me for the rest of the season. Hopefully the 4 at the back will settle but I suspect the 5 loanees to start will be Sarkic, Sterling, Pearson and Smallbone plus one of the two defenders. That means Fox or Jagielka will have to play. In midfield, Laurent to fill in the final place alongside Smallbone and Pearson. I donāt think thatās a bad team if we could replace Brown with a genuine goal scorer. I just hope we have enough freedom to give Lowe and Tezgel time in games so they are ready to play a bigger role next season. I doubt if that front three hardly, if ever, appears between now and the end of the season.
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Post by Veritas on Mar 1, 2023 7:34:57 GMT
What we know will get us over the line and that will do as it stands then reassess, Lowe is in by default and not particularly on merit, I don't get the desperation with rushing him. He is there by default but it should be merit (on the bench anyway). He is currently the best option to lead the line and thatās all that matters. What evidence, other than he can't be worse than Gayle, is there to say Lowe merits a place? This is a genuine question as I have seen around 15 minutes so far that tells me nothing to say whether he will be good, bad or anything in between.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2023 8:21:27 GMT
We are getting to the nitty gritty now , I think the concensus v Brighton, is the lads are putting a shift in, but in terms of actually winning a game , everything grinds to a halt , when your attack is totally hopeless.
We have to do something different in attack , we can't just plough on with more of the same.
I do agree that lowe is really young and unlikely to rip up any trees at 17 , but are our options are non existent. Let's conjecture that playing Lowe and Tezgel saw them improve but not score a great deal. Something a long the lines of an improving all round game but yet to find a real cutting edge. Sadly that is still an improvement on Dwight ' no cutting edge at all and gets worse and slower by the day ' Gayle.
I would rather persevere with promising young players, than past it , has beens.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 1, 2023 9:21:40 GMT
Whatever the team lose Saturday and we are in desperate trouble first names for me sarkic , axel , Sterling , wilmot Realistically we need six or seven points to stay up in 12 games. It will be nowhere near 50 points this season. We are 9 points clear with a far superior goal difference which is worth another point. Its all about momentum id bank on one or both of wigan and Huddersfield getting some and us losing it further givne the next 4 fixtures are against team in and around the top 6 or on a hot streak with new managers doing exactly what Neil has abjectly failed to do i think April will be very tricky as we go into games v Wigan and Cardiff that could make or break us hence he really needs a result at Sunderland draw would do as would one at home v Blackburn or Norwich
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 1, 2023 9:23:31 GMT
Realistically we need six or seven points to stay up in 12 games. It will be nowhere near 50 points this season. We are 9 points clear with a far superior goal difference which is worth another point. Its all about momentum id bank on one or both of wigan and Huddersfield getting some and us losing it further givne the next 4 fixtures are against team in and around the top 6 or on a hot streak with new managers doing exactly what Neil has abjectly failed to do i think April will be very tricky as we go into games v Wigan and Cardiff that could make or break us hence he really needs a result at Sunderland draw would do as would one at home v Blackburn or Norwich Who are your three to go down then Benj, swingers on the table?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 1, 2023 9:24:57 GMT
Whatever the team lose Saturday and we are in desperate trouble first names for me sarkic , axel , Sterling , wilmot āDesperate troubleā is a bit over the top. Weāre currently 9 points clear of the relegation zone. look a the next.4 games
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 1, 2023 9:35:28 GMT
Its all about momentum id bank on one or both of wigan and Huddersfield getting some and us losing it further givne the next 4 fixtures are against team in and around the top 6 or on a hot streak with new managers doing exactly what Neil has abjectly failed to do i think April will be very tricky as we go into games v Wigan and Cardiff that could make or break us hence he really needs a result at Sunderland draw would do as would one at home v Blackburn or Norwich Who are your three to go down then Benj, swingers on the table? Three from Blackpool , Wigan , Huddersfield and Stoke and QPR pushed id say the first three but it wont take much to change that i think its quite perilous given the way the fixtures drop a sending off , a bad decision in one of those key games v cardiff and wigan and QPR we are bang in the bottom three . someone always drops in and while QPR are a mess presumably Ainsworth will get some kind of bounce eventually but i do think those three games for us will decide it Iāll stick to my august prediction 48 - 52 points hopefully that will be enough
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Post by shrewspotter on Mar 1, 2023 9:37:19 GMT
The old 5 loanees is going to be an issue again i see. Good that nearly everyone is fit though
Id go .....................Sarkic Sterling....Tuanzebe...Wilmot....Hoever .................Pearson........................ .......Laurent............Thompson........ Brown......Powell (if fit)........Campbell
If Powell isnt fit I would go with Lowe, he wont however, we all know it will be Gayle
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Post by shrewspotter on Mar 1, 2023 9:40:23 GMT
āDesperate troubleā is a bit over the top. Weāre currently 9 points clear of the relegation zone. look a the next.4 games The thing with this league is though that perhaps Burnley aside there isnt that much difference in quality from around 4th down to around 20th. Probaly the only real differnce is up top where we have been poor For instance we beat Sheffield United at home, drew with Burnley away, beat Luton at home, but then lost away to Blackpool, home to Birmingham It wouldn't surprise me if we beat Sunderland away and lost to Wigan at home
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 1, 2023 9:45:32 GMT
Who are your three to go down then Benj, swingers on the table? Three from Blackpool , Wigan , Huddersfield and Stoke and QPR pushed id say the first three but it wont take much to change that i think its quite perilous given the way the fixtures drop a sending off , a bad decision in one of those key games v cardiff and wigan and QPR we are bang in the bottom three . someone always drops in and while QPR are a mess presumably Ainsworth will get some kind of bounce eventually but i do think those three games for us will decide it Iāll stick to my august prediction 48 - 52 points hopefully that will be enough It will take much Benj. It will take the erosion of our nine-point cushion and five of the utterly rotten teams below us somehow picking up at the same time that we absolutely tank. Being eaten alive by the ticking crocodile that ate Captain Hook's hand is more likely than that particular gravity crocodile getting us.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 1, 2023 9:46:04 GMT
The thing with this league is though that perhaps Burnley aside there isnt that much difference in quality from around 4th down to around 20th. Probaly the only real differnce is up top where we have been poor For instance we beat Sheffield United at home, drew with Burnley away, beat Luton at home, but then lost away to Blackpool, home to Birmingham It wouldn't surprise me if we beat Sunderland away and lost to Wigan at home Its getting less frequent for us though Sheffield Utd was pre World Cup off the top of my head i cant remember the last top half teams beat unexpectedly as the gradual downturn under Neil has evolved the next 3 after Sunderland are teams on hot streaks with little margin for error of course we can turn one over and it only takes one result but I maintain we are currently on the brink of very real risk
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 1, 2023 9:46:57 GMT
The old 5 loanees is going to be an issue again i see. Good that nearly everyone is fit though Id go .....................Sarkic Sterling....Tuanzebe...Wilmot....Hoever .................Pearson........................ .......Laurent............Thompson........ Brown......Powell (if fit)........Campbell If Powell isnt fit I would go with Lowe, he wont however, we all know it will be Gayle Powell won't be ready for Saturday......
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