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Post by mickstupp on Feb 26, 2023 11:33:46 GMT
Nevertheless, he should still have been good enough to score 8-10 by now. Nothing suggested he would be. Apart from the evidence of his whole career thus far? Clearly at 32/33 he’s never going to be as good as he was, but he should still be good enough to do well at championship level.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 26, 2023 11:45:05 GMT
Nothing suggested he would be. Apart from the evidence of his whole career thus far? Clearly at 32/33 he’s never going to be as good as he was, but he should still be good enough to do well at championship level. He’d done nothing in the 3 seasons leading to joining us. His career before that was irrelevant. Indeed it shows where the club and so many fans went wrong. All the evidence suggested he’d do nothing.
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 26, 2023 11:50:33 GMT
Apart from the evidence of his whole career thus far? Clearly at 32/33 he’s never going to be as good as he was, but he should still be good enough to do well at championship level. He’d done nothing in the 3 seasons leading to joining us. His career before that was irrelevant. Indeed it shows where the club and so many fans went wrong. All the evidence suggested he’d do nothing. He’s spent three seasons as a squad player in the Premier League. He should still be good enough to do reasonably well in the division below. Nobody, not even his biggest critic, would have seen 1 goal in 29 appearances. It’s beyond horrific and unfathomable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2023 11:51:39 GMT
He’d done nothing in the 3 seasons leading to joining us. His career before that was irrelevant. Indeed it shows where the club and so many fans went wrong. All the evidence suggested he’d do nothing. He’s spent three seasons as a squad player in the Premier League. He should still be good enough to do reasonably well in the division below. Nobody, not even his biggest critic, would have seen 1 goal in 29 appearances. It’s beyond horrific and unfathomable. Other than Bayern obviously 🙄
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 26, 2023 11:57:13 GMT
He’s spent three seasons as a squad player in the Premier League. He should still be good enough to do reasonably well in the division below. Nobody, not even his biggest critic, would have seen 1 goal in 29 appearances. It’s beyond horrific and unfathomable. Other than Bayern obviously 🙄 No there was plenty of people on here that had watched him and were saying the same thing. His legs had gone.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 26, 2023 11:58:06 GMT
He’d done nothing in the 3 seasons leading to joining us. His career before that was irrelevant. Indeed it shows where the club and so many fans went wrong. All the evidence suggested he’d do nothing. He’s spent three seasons as a squad player in the Premier League. He should still be good enough to do reasonably well in the division below. Nobody, not even his biggest critic, would have seen 1 goal in 29 appearances. It’s beyond horrific and unfathomable. I’m sorry but that’s not true. There was plenty of us on here that thought it was a terrible signing because he’s lost his pace and that’s what he relied on. It’s not really rocket science.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2023 11:59:28 GMT
Other than Bayern obviously 🙄 No there was plenty of people on here that had watched him and were saying the same thing. His legs had gone. Watched him where?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 26, 2023 12:06:51 GMT
No there was plenty of people on here that had watched him and were saying the same thing. His legs had gone. Watched him where? For Newcastle?
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Post by abudhabistokie82 on Feb 26, 2023 12:11:56 GMT
Just thinking that maybe an out and out striker is not the best use for Gayle anymore given he’s struggling to get goals and we’re struggling to play balls into him in a way he can get on. What are people’s thoughts on how effective he would be as a no 10 where he would link the play, find through balls and hopefully be on the edge of the box for cut backs ala Laurent recently?!
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 26, 2023 12:21:13 GMT
www.transfermarkt.co.uk/dwight-gayle/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/196522To be fair to him, he'd barely played at Newcastle since returning from his prolific loan season at WBA in 18/19 Seems to work out at: 19-20 - 883 minutes (10 starts) 20-21 - 543 minutes (4 starts) 21-22 - 106 minutes (0 starts) ...which is obviously red flag stuff in itself when you're ladling out a 2-yr deal on £20,000-a-week. And it's going to be tough to score in the Prem for a struggling Steve Bruce side.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 26, 2023 12:22:34 GMT
www.transfermarkt.co.uk/dwight-gayle/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/196522To be fair to him, he'd barely played at Newcastle since his return from his prolific loan season at WBA in 18/19 Seems to work out at: 19-20 - 883 minutes (10 starts) 20-21 - 543 minutes (4 starts) 21-22 - 106 minutes (0 starts) ...which is obviously red flag stuff in itself when you're ladling out a 2-yr deal on £20,000-a-week. And it's going to be tough to score in the Prem for a struggling Steve Bruce side. Indeed it is. There was no reason so sign him. Everything suggested it was a massive gamble in a player that was past his best.
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 26, 2023 12:26:08 GMT
www.transfermarkt.co.uk/dwight-gayle/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/196522To be fair to him, he'd barely played at Newcastle since his return from his prolific loan season at WBA in 18/19 Seems to work out at: 19-20 - 883 minutes (10 starts) 20-21 - 543 minutes (4 starts) 21-22 - 106 minutes (0 starts) ...which is obviously red flag stuff in itself when you're ladling out a 2-yr deal on £20,000-a-week. And it's going to be tough to score in the Prem for a struggling Steve Bruce side. Indeed it is. There was no reason so sign him. Everything suggested it was a massive gamble in a player that was past his best. No one is disputing that he’s “past his best” though are they? Literally no one. What I’m struggling to understand is why he’s suddenly become a bad finisher? Losing pace is one thing, but he’s still got into positions and had chances to score 10 at least. Why has a previously deadly finisher at championship level suddenly become so poor in front of goal?
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 26, 2023 12:34:18 GMT
www.transfermarkt.co.uk/dwight-gayle/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/196522To be fair to him, he'd barely played at Newcastle since returning from his prolific loan season at WBA in 18/19 Seems to work out at: 19-20 - 883 minutes (10 starts) 20-21 - 543 minutes (4 starts) 21-22 - 106 minutes (0 starts) ...which is obviously red flag stuff in itself when you're ladling out a 2-yr deal on £20,000-a-week. And it's going to be tough to score in the Prem for a struggling Steve Bruce side. He still should have been good enough to drop down a level and do a reasonably good job this season for us.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 26, 2023 12:42:14 GMT
Indeed it is. There was no reason so sign him. Everything suggested it was a massive gamble in a player that was past his best. No one is disputing that he’s “past his best” though are they? Literally no one. What I’m struggling to understand is why he’s suddenly become a bad finisher? Losing pace is one thing, but he’s still got into positions and had chances to score 10 at least. Why has a previously deadly finisher at championship level suddenly become so poor in front of goal? Pace gives you more time and if you have more time, you should finish better. He’s getting into positions slower so has less time, defenders are nicking the ball where they wouldn’t, they’re putting pressure on that wouldn’t have been there. That will affect your touch too. It just makes football harder.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 26, 2023 12:49:58 GMT
www.transfermarkt.co.uk/dwight-gayle/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/196522To be fair to him, he'd barely played at Newcastle since returning from his prolific loan season at WBA in 18/19 Seems to work out at: 19-20 - 883 minutes (10 starts) 20-21 - 543 minutes (4 starts) 21-22 - 106 minutes (0 starts) ...which is obviously red flag stuff in itself when you're ladling out a 2-yr deal on £20,000-a-week. And it's going to be tough to score in the Prem for a struggling Steve Bruce side. He still should have been good enough to drop down a level and do a reasonably good job this season for us. Yeah, you would have thought so. Again, to be fair, he could easily have been sitting here on 5 or 6 goals. And , while not great, he wouldn't be attracting this type of derision. His goals against Huddersfield, Morecambe, Middlesbrough and QPR should maybe all have stood. Confidence must be an issue now
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Post by onionman on Feb 26, 2023 12:56:21 GMT
It’s mostly confidence isn’t it? He snatched at that chance so desperately yesterday he missed the entire ball. Reminded me of myself on the golf course when my head got into such a bad space I kept swinging and couldn’t even hit the ball off the tee.
What’s unforgivable from Stoke’s point of view is that everyone in football knew he hadn’t scored in two years and that his confidence is shot, yet we proceeded to give him a two year contract on relatively sky high wages. We didn’t even need a small nippy striker anyway. Michael O’Neill did a good job when he first came to Stoke but he was an absolute blithering idiot by the end, and allowing him to blow our budget on this busted flush was up there with the Rowett trolley dash experiment for recklessness. Once again we are reaping what we sowed.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 26, 2023 13:09:27 GMT
Another victim of the ST4 Curse.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 26, 2023 13:37:55 GMT
Really don’t see the curse in operation here, he was a nippy, incisive striker who relied on his pace to get into good positions for easy finishes.
By the time we signed him, he had barely played for 2 years, hadn’t scored for an age and was increasingly the wrong side of 30, not match sharp and had lost that pace he had.
Not so much a curse as he was a very bad signing that was made on his previous record 4 years ago and not grounded in reality.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 26, 2023 13:42:47 GMT
Maybe he should takes a payoff & retire,his past reputation is taking a severe knock whilst he is here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2023 14:56:51 GMT
He hardly played so not much to go on was there?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 26, 2023 15:03:01 GMT
He hardly played so not much to go on was there? But that was part of the red flag. When he played he looked awful and he didn’t play very often. It never made any sense to sign him.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Feb 26, 2023 16:16:00 GMT
Are we stuck with him next year?
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Post by stokeson on Feb 26, 2023 17:10:34 GMT
Are we stuck with him next year? We dont have to play him but we have to pay him.....
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Post by thepottypotter on Feb 26, 2023 17:47:03 GMT
Are we stuck with him next year? We dont have to play him but we have to pay him..... As we have to pay him, at least get him doing something useful like hi, working the grounds and keeping the pitch in good condition.
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Post by scfc75 on Feb 26, 2023 18:33:47 GMT
He’ll still bag 12+ goals this season and over 20 next. Goarn Dwight lad.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 26, 2023 18:38:25 GMT
Maybe he should takes a payoff & retire,his past reputation is taking a severe knock whilst he is here. He has. 60K a week. Christ.
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Post by nonameface on Feb 26, 2023 19:32:46 GMT
Just thinking that maybe an out and out striker is not the best use for Gayle anymore given he’s struggling to get goals and we’re struggling to play balls into him in a way he can get on. What are people’s thoughts on how effective he would be as a no 10 where he would link the play, find through balls and hopefully be on the edge of the box for cut backs ala Laurent recently?! It would play more to his current strengths, but with Smallbone playing well and Baker an option too it isn't really necessary although you could argue he is playing a little like a false 9 so we are already playing to his current strengths. We need a target man now, but with Tezgel and Lowe about the squad we need to be careful not to block their route in.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 26, 2023 22:44:19 GMT
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Post by stoke111 on Feb 27, 2023 8:38:35 GMT
Not denying Gaye has been poor but the system we’re playing just doesn’t suit him. We need a target man for him to link with. At the moment him and brown are too closely matched physically.
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Post by Veritas on Feb 27, 2023 8:51:09 GMT
Not denying Gaye has been poor but the system we’re playing just doesn’t suit him. We need a target man for him to link with. At the moment him and brown are too closely matched physically. I have been a supporter of Gayle and believe that if those early season goals had not been wrongly disallowed he and us would be in a completely different place. However the reality is that in front of goal his confidence and touch is completely shot. He has missed several straightforward chances over the last few games and the final straw for me on Saturday was the golden opportunity he tamely hit wide of goal and towards Brown who put it in from an offside position. On this occasion no criticism of Brown who instinctively turned it in but Gayle should have buried it.
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