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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 12, 2023 22:02:29 GMT
You live in your past and I’ll live in mine. Yeah, or you could just get better at ‘noticing’?
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Post by Sfance on Feb 12, 2023 23:07:04 GMT
I'll do my best!
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 12, 2023 23:32:30 GMT
I keep reading that he’s our best player, but I watch him when he comes on and I see zero evidence that he is. His cameo yesterday was a case in point. Not only did he do nothing positive but he screwed up what was probably our best chance to score. He’d rather do one of his pathetic flicks than actually help his teammates score. A FUCKING GOAL. Unfortunately the football authorities, god bless them, don’t give points for flicks. He’s having an injury disrupted season and has been poor under Neil so far, no question. To suggest that’s reflective of his time here overall doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. He had an injury affected season in his first year (29 out of 46), an injury free second season (39 out of 46), an injury riddled third season (18 out of 46) and an ongoing injury affected fourth season (17 out of 30) - a total of 103 league appearances out of a possible 168 (about 60%). His season so far is pretty typical of his time here in terms of turnout and he's probably having his worse season in terms of contribution. I don't think he's a Neil type of player which may well be affecting his game time and contribution. However the club have commited to Neil and Powell's contract is up in the summer. He's gone and no doubt his wage is going to go to a Less talented player but to one the manager thinks will better suit the way he wants the team to shape up and, with a bit of luck, will actually be available to play on a more regular basis.
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Post by senojbor on Feb 12, 2023 23:48:12 GMT
In every day work life some people hardly ever have a day off work and others are off work as much as they can get away with. Powell seems to get 'injured' far too often for my liking. Either way we obviously need to replace him
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Feb 12, 2023 23:52:02 GMT
It will be very interesting to see how many clubs are in the queue to sign him at the end of the season, when his contract runs out. My guess will be zero based on his injury record, unless it's a pay when you play contract, or very much, much less money than he is currently on. The reality is he misses loads, goes off injured frequently when he does play and only really puts in a real performance in around one in every five he plays. A luxury we certainly can no longer afford or should entertain going forward. What's this shit about when he does play he only really puts in a real performance in around 1 in every 5 games he plays? When he does play his stats for scoring and assisting are a country mile ahead of any other player on our books or do such metrics not count? There's no getting through to some people mate.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Feb 13, 2023 0:09:49 GMT
Using your terminology (not mine) can you explain how I suggested that he’s “wank”. I was factual in what I said. His main career appearances have been with Crewe, Wigan and Ourselves. Plus the question I asked was where next? You said 'How old? Crewe, Wigan and us. Tells you something.' He's 28. What do you mean tells you something? All it tells us is that he's played for Crewe, Wigan and us. You missed out Man United where he was signed by Ferguson and scored after coming on in his debut for them. He struggled to get into their team and it didn't work out but there's no shame in that is there. Just wondering what you meant by 'tells you something'. I took that as you were implying he's not very good which simply isn't true. He has his troubles with injuries which is maybe why we need to move him on admittedly but his quality has always been there.
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Post by wilcopotter on Feb 13, 2023 1:30:30 GMT
I’ve always had my doubts about Powell. Doubts about what ? His consistency, he flashes in the pan now and again, but not often enough. Don’t know him, but body language suggests he has abundance in confidence, sadly it doesn’t come to fruition enough in his performances. Personally, will shed no tears when his moves on to his next project. Flatters to deceive on the pitch.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 13, 2023 6:33:13 GMT
He’s having an injury disrupted season and has been poor under Neil so far, no question. To suggest that’s reflective of his time here overall doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. He had an injury affected season in his first year (29 out of 46), an injury free second season (39 out of 46), an injury riddled third season (18 out of 46) and an ongoing injury affected fourth season (17 out of 30) - a total of 103 league appearances out of a possible 168 (about 60%). His season so far is pretty typical of his time here in terms of turnout and he's probably having his worse season in terms of contribution. I don't think he's a Neil type of player which may well be affecting his game time and contribution. However the club have commited to Neil and Powell's contract is up in the summer. He's gone and no doubt his wage is going to go to a Less talented player but to one the manager thinks will better suit the way he wants the team to shape up and, with a bit of luck, will actually be available to play on a more regular basis. I don’t disagree with any of that, though I think he was actually available for much of his first season and Jones just didn’t play him.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 13, 2023 6:33:41 GMT
His consistency, he flashes in the pan now and again, but not often enough. Don’t know him, but body language suggests he has abundance in confidence, sadly it doesn’t come to fruition enough in his performances. Personally, will shed no tears when his moves on to his next project. Flatters to deceive on the pitch. When he’s able to have a run of games he’s been very consistent.
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Post by scfc75 on Feb 13, 2023 7:50:44 GMT
In every day work life some people hardly ever have a day off work and others are off work as much as they can get away with. Powell seems to get 'injured' far too often for my liking. Either way we obviously need to replace him Are you suggesting he’s pretending to be injured when he isn’t? I’d love to know how he’s fooling the scanning equipment and medical staff.
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 13, 2023 8:15:07 GMT
I think Alex Pritchard will be brought in to replace him in the summer.
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Post by stokesaint1 on Feb 13, 2023 18:44:35 GMT
It will be very interesting to see how many clubs are in the queue to sign him at the end of the season, when his contract runs out. My guess will be zero based on his injury record, unless it's a pay when you play contract, or very much, much less money than he is currently on. The reality is he misses loads, goes off injured frequently when he does play and only really puts in a real performance in around one in every five he plays. A luxury we certainly can no longer afford or should entertain going forward. What's this shit about when he does play he only really puts in a real performance in around 1 in every 5 games he plays? When he does play his stats for scoring and assisting are a country mile ahead of any other player on our books or do such metrics not count? Rather than you just making this claim, I'd like to see these amazing stats/metrics that you have plucked out of the air. If they genuinely exist and you can produce them, then please accept my apologies. However my personal view stands, a luxury we can no longer afford going forward into next season and beyond.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 13, 2023 19:02:05 GMT
What's this shit about when he does play he only really puts in a real performance in around 1 in every 5 games he plays? When he does play his stats for scoring and assisting are a country mile ahead of any other player on our books or do such metrics not count? Rather than you just making this claim, I'd like to see these amazing stats/metrics that you have plucked out of the air. If they genuinely exist and you can produce them, then please accept my apologies. However my personal view stands, a luxury we can no longer afford going forward into next season and beyond. 1 in 2 before he got injured last season. Just outside the top 10 scorers in the division the season before that Contributed to around 1/3 of our goals in 19/20 despite missing about half the season because Nath wouldn’t pick him. Then there’s the stuff here from Tachyon www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-nick-powell-contract-7029699.amp
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 13, 2023 19:03:52 GMT
What's this shit about when he does play he only really puts in a real performance in around 1 in every 5 games he plays? When he does play his stats for scoring and assisting are a country mile ahead of any other player on our books or do such metrics not count? Rather than you just making this claim, I'd like to see these amazing stats/metrics that you have plucked out of the air. If they genuinely exist and you can produce them, then please accept my apologies. However my personal view stands, a luxury we can no longer afford going forward into next season and beyond. footystats.org/players/england/nick-powellThere you go! only shaded on goals per 90 mins by one player over the last 3 seasons which was Tyreece the season before last. In terms of hard output when he's on the pitch he's quite clearly our most effective offensive player.
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Post by biglad180 on Feb 13, 2023 19:25:03 GMT
its time for him to move on now, i would not even sign him on a pay as you play basis
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 13, 2023 19:32:11 GMT
In every day work life some people hardly ever have a day off work and others are off work as much as they can get away with. Powell seems to get 'injured' far too often for my liking. Either way we obviously need to replace him Are you suggesting he’s pretending to be injured when he isn’t? I’d love to know how he’s fooling the scanning equipment and medical staff. What do you mean? He just gets his mum to phone up in the morning to say he won’t be in today.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 13, 2023 21:21:44 GMT
He would injure himself walking across the bedroom carpet.
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Post by onefatcopper on Feb 13, 2023 21:43:47 GMT
His consistency, he flashes in the pan now and again, but not often enough. Don’t know him, but body language suggests he has abundance in confidence, sadly it doesn’t come to fruition enough in his performances. Personally, will shed no tears when his moves on to his next project. Flatters to deceive on the pitch. When he’s able to have a run of games he’s been very consistent. But isn’t that the whole point, WHEN he’s able to have a run of games ? No one doubts his abilities in creating and scoring goals, but there’s no way that you can build a team around him because of his injury record, at best he’s a luxury player who you could play in games of little importance, but unfortunately that’s a scenario which is very unlikely in our current situation.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 13, 2023 21:45:51 GMT
When he’s able to have a run of games he’s been very consistent. But isn’t that the whole point, WHEN he’s able to have a run of games ? No one doubts his abilities in creating and scoring goals, but there’s no way that you can build a team around him because of his injury record, at best he’s a luxury player who you could play in games of little importance, but unfortunately that’s a scenario which is very unlikely in our current situation. You don’t need to build a team around him, just find a place for him when he’s available. If we can replace him with someone better then by all means let’s. We haven’t though, so we should use him while he’s here.
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Post by pottersrule on Feb 13, 2023 22:03:39 GMT
But isn’t that the whole point, WHEN he’s able to have a run of games ? No one doubts his abilities in creating and scoring goals, but there’s no way that you can build a team around him because of his injury record, at best he’s a luxury player who you could play in games of little importance, but unfortunately that’s a scenario which is very unlikely in our current situation. You don’t need to build a team around him, just find a place for him when he’s available. If we can replace him with someone better then by all means let’s. We haven’t though, so we should use him while he’s here. It's a real difficult one.You know that if he is not offered a contract,he will undoubtedly be fit next season and have a great run for another Championship club.His best performance will be reserved for when he plays against Stoke. Personally I would like to think we could offer him something that would be acceptable for both parties.
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Post by matelot1996 on Feb 13, 2023 22:11:13 GMT
You don’t need to build a team around him, just find a place for him when he’s available. If we can replace him with someone better then by all means let’s. We haven’t though, so we should use him while he’s here. It's a real difficult one.You know that if he is not offered a contract,he will undoubtedly be fit next season and have a great run for another Championship club.His best performance will be reserved for when he plays against Stoke. Personally I would like to think we could offer him something that would be acceptable for both parties. Let someone else pay his wages and absorb the risk of him being injured or recovering. He is not our future. Stoke need to move on and look elsewhere.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 13, 2023 22:28:19 GMT
You don’t need to build a team around him, just find a place for him when he’s available. If we can replace him with someone better then by all means let’s. We haven’t though, so we should use him while he’s here. It's a real difficult one.You know that if he is not offered a contract,he will undoubtedly be fit next season and have a great run for another Championship club.His best performance will be reserved for when he plays against Stoke. Personally I would like to think we could offer him something that would be acceptable for both parties. I think he's off tbh.
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Post by pottersrule on Feb 13, 2023 22:36:56 GMT
It's a real difficult one.You know that if he is not offered a contract,he will undoubtedly be fit next season and have a great run for another Championship club.His best performance will be reserved for when he plays against Stoke. Personally I would like to think we could offer him something that would be acceptable for both parties. I think he's off tbh. Yes it does seem that way.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 13, 2023 23:26:53 GMT
It's a real difficult one.You know that if he is not offered a contract,he will undoubtedly be fit next season and have a great run for another Championship club.His best performance will be reserved for when he plays against Stoke. Personally I would like to think we could offer him something that would be acceptable for both parties. I think he's off tbh. Why on earth would he want to stay when the manager considers his best attribute to be that he’s tall? I imagine he’s completely demoralised having to train and play under the idiot we call our manager. I suspect Baker feels similar.
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 14, 2023 9:42:34 GMT
Not a fan of Alex Neil's then Dave?😃
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 14, 2023 9:51:34 GMT
Why on earth would he want to stay when the manager considers his best attribute to be that he’s tall? I imagine he’s completely demoralised having to train and play under the idiot we call our manager. I suspect Baker feels similar. He clearly doesn’t trust flair, that will appeal greatly to the Neanderthal wing of our fan base.
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Post by ceejays on Feb 14, 2023 9:56:51 GMT
Powell downed tools under Jones . Once mad Nath had gone Powell miraculously became fit . He’s now imho doing the same with Neil . He’s a prima Donna. Talented but has always had an attitude. Best gone. I can imagine he’s a dressing room problem. Gone are the days when Smith and Bloor and Huth played regardless of niggles. Players nowadays are flakey.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 14, 2023 10:05:17 GMT
Powell downed tools under Jones . Once mad Nath had gone Powell miraculously became fit . He’s now imho doing the same with Neil . He’s a prima Donna. Talented but has always had an attitude. Best gone. I can imagine he’s a dressing room problem. Gone are the days when Smith and Bloor and Huth played regardless of niggles. Players nowadays are flakey. He was fit under Jones, Nath just didn't play him. Powell has been available plenty this season and Neil just hasn't selected him. Again as suggested above, are you suggesting Powell is conning the medical experts and equipment?
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Post by realstokebloke on Feb 14, 2023 10:09:44 GMT
Take the title of this thread and delete the words:
"... for Wednesday"
for me.
I don't doubt his talent. I do doubt his attitude and durability however.
But most of all, I genuinely do doubt if he is worth ano contract this summer.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 14, 2023 10:12:43 GMT
Powell downed tools under Jones . Once mad Nath had gone Powell miraculously became fit . He’s now imho doing the same with Neil . He’s a prima Donna. Talented but has always had an attitude. Best gone. I can imagine he’s a dressing room problem. Gone are the days when Smith and Bloor and Huth played regardless of niggles. Players nowadays are flakey. He was fit under Jones, Nath just didn't play him. Powell has been available plenty this season and Neil just hasn't selected him. Again as suggested above, are you suggesting Powell is conning the medical experts and equipment? It’s already clear it not a Powell problem. Neil already doesn’t trust Celina either.
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