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Post by chiswickpotter on Feb 6, 2023 17:15:18 GMT
Surely Chelsea have to be next. No evidence or hint Chelsea have done anything wrong.
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Post by banksy1art on Feb 6, 2023 17:26:57 GMT
Surely we will be handed the trophy then? Get a trip to wembley to lift it
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Post by idle on Feb 6, 2023 17:35:17 GMT
Potential penalties include reprimanding the club, issuing a fine unlimited in amount, suspending the club from playing in league matches, deducting points "scored or to be scored", recommending league matches be replayed or recommending that the Premier League expels the club from membership. It is a Premier League charge, so would not currently impact competitions such as the FA Cup, where Man City beat Stoke City in the 2011 final at Wembley.Wait, so that means Coates can splunk £2B on a couple of players to get us to win the FA cup?
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Post by RF10 on Feb 6, 2023 17:36:28 GMT
Surely we will be handed the trophy then? Get a trip to wembley to lift it I say replay the final with the same set of players. Adam Johnson and John Carew on bench may be a slight issue though.
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Post by chigstoke on Feb 6, 2023 17:45:03 GMT
Surely we will be handed the trophy then? Get a trip to wembley to lift it I say replay the final with the same set of players. Adam Johnson and John Carew on bench may be a slight issue though. Good job Vince McMahon isn’t the chairman of the FA, we’d have got a ‘Winner Gets Released’ stipulation.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Feb 6, 2023 18:44:43 GMT
Give us that fucking cup you cheating bastards.
Open top bus via vile park so we can proper shove it in their fucking unwashed faces. 🏆🏆🏆
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Post by pieofpeter on Feb 6, 2023 18:49:51 GMT
Don't want the cup if they have been doing it for this long. If they can only win it this way amd the goal should never have stood but that's another matter.
Keep the cup I'd rather win it properly. Never thought pep was the best manager ever and never will allways had great players or money. And not won the champs league since having Messi.
Fuck them all just another Juve and hope you get what you should. Still wouldn't want to win the FA this way though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2023 18:56:24 GMT
Not that I think it’ll happen but, if we got awarded the 2011 FA Cup it would feel like the hollowest of victories, even if it’s somehow justice. (Not saying it would be justice have no idea of the full details)
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Post by shrewspotter on Feb 6, 2023 19:00:34 GMT
Can you imagine if Chelsea won something as a result. John Terry is already getting his full kit ready for the presentation
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 6, 2023 19:00:47 GMT
Reset the 23/24 Premier League to those teams who were first cheated by them in 09/10. Simples
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Post by ravey123 on Feb 6, 2023 19:18:12 GMT
Not that I think it’ll happen but, if we got awarded the 2011 FA Cup it would feel like the hollowest of victories, even if it’s somehow justice. (Not saying it would be justice have no idea of the full details) I assume they beat us twice in our relegation season. Does that mean we would be re-I stared to the top league too 🤞
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Post by metalhead on Feb 6, 2023 19:29:51 GMT
I'm curious, does this suggest that Man City are the only top PL team to violate these rules?
I call bullshit on that. You telling me the likes of Chelsea haven't cooked the books? I'd quite like to see Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool to be investigated as well.
What is clear to see is that this is the PL taking action against 'new-money', isn't it? Otherwise we would be seeing other clubs in the dock.
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Post by toppercorner on Feb 6, 2023 19:34:47 GMT
I'm curious, does this suggest that Man City are the only top PL team to violate these rules? I call bullshit on that. You telling me the likes of Chelsea haven't cooked the books? I'd quite like to see Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool to be investigated as well. What is clear to see is that this is the PL taking action against 'new-money', isn't it? Otherwise we would be seeing other clubs in the dock. naturally other teams have done it, but i've always thought with the amount of teams Man City's owners have around the world, that is was some sort of way around the financial stuff. it's always irked me, and now i know why.
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Post by march4 on Feb 6, 2023 20:38:25 GMT
I believe a precedent has been set for breaking the financial rules by Port Vale in the 1960s (1968?).
If memory serves me right they were forced to apply for re-election to the football league and were banned from signing players plus the manager left (Sir Stan). I also seem to remember the chairman plus the whole board of directors left.
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Post by franklin on Feb 6, 2023 20:49:30 GMT
I've said it before but the "big" clubs need to stand up and fuck ffp off by challenging it, its shit.
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Post by march4 on Feb 6, 2023 20:54:07 GMT
I've said it before but the "big" clubs need to stand up and fuck ffp off by challenging it, its shit. But these offences were in the past when everyone had agreed to the rules. We are completely stuffed by the ridiculous FFP rules but if we have had to conform then so should everyone else. The book was thrown at Vale for breaching the financial rules.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Feb 6, 2023 22:15:40 GMT
15 point deduction or demotion to Championship or a £1m fine Let me think about that for a minute🤷♂️ Absolute nailed on cop out by the PL coming up I can’t see us being better than the three teams that come down, this season, next year. Now your wishing Cit-eh on us too? Should be a Rangers style of punishment - down to League 2
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Post by lordb on Feb 6, 2023 22:31:00 GMT
I believe a precedent has been set for breaking the financial rules by Port Vale in the 1960s (1968?). If memory serves me right they were forced to apply for re-election to the football league and were banned from signing players plus the manager left (Sir Stan). I also seem to remember the chairman plus the whole board of directors left. Precedent... Sort of but that was by a different organisation , The Football League (now the EFL) As this now the Premier League different organisation and different rules
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 6, 2023 22:49:08 GMT
Be amazed if this ends up with anything other than a negotiated settlement that will be paid off. All sorted and nothing to see.
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 6, 2023 22:58:42 GMT
I'm curious, does this suggest that Man City are the only top PL team to violate these rules? I call bullshit on that. You telling me the likes of Chelsea haven't cooked the books? I'd quite like to see Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool to be investigated as well. What is clear to see is that this is the PL taking action against 'new-money', isn't it? Otherwise we would be seeing other clubs in the dock. Too right. I could see old money clubs doing better though. Before Citeh got taken over, the likes of Man Utd had loads of glory hunters from Burslem to Bangkok shoveling them money for their tat. Probably gave them a nice bed of cash.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 7, 2023 0:10:34 GMT
It would be very 'Stoke' if our first noteworthy silverware in fifty years would be won by default twelve years after the fact.
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Post by march4 on Feb 7, 2023 0:27:28 GMT
I believe a precedent has been set for breaking the financial rules by Port Vale in the 1960s (1968?). If memory serves me right they were forced to apply for re-election to the football league and were banned from signing players plus the manager left (Sir Stan). I also seem to remember the chairman plus the whole board of directors left. Precedent... Sort of but that was by a different orga3, The Football League (now the EFL) As this now the Premier League different organisation and different rules Good point, but this is still part of English football and should Man City be expelled from the Prem, they are then back in Football League territory. For the record, Vale were only charged with 6 offences.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 7, 2023 1:46:25 GMT
Precedent... Sort of but that was by a different orga3, The Football League (now the EFL) As this now the Premier League different organisation and different rules Good point, but this is still part of English football and should Man City be expelled from the Prem, they are then back in Football League territory. For the record, Vale were only charged with 6 offences. If Citeh were expelled from the Prem, they sure as hell would lead the charge for the formation of an ESL, UEFA and the Prem know this, Man City aren't going to be expelled from shit ...
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Post by franklin on Feb 7, 2023 6:30:06 GMT
I've said it before but the "big" clubs need to stand up and fuck ffp off by challenging it, its shit. But these offences were in the past when everyone had agreed to the rules. We are completely stuffed by the ridiculous FFP rules but if we have had to conform then so should everyone else. The book was thrown at Vale for breaching the financial rules. They are all at it every week we hear about suspected breaches so imho one club (city) or several need to say it sounded good but we've decided it restricts our trade so get rid whats the point of constant fines, constant points deduction constant suspicion just get rid. We've always had "rich" clubs buying success let them get on with it. Of course that's just my opinion and I'm sure others may disagree but as it is ffp is absolutely shit. From a purely selfish point of view we have Billionaire owners who can't spend money if and how they see fit its nonsense.
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Post by musik on Feb 7, 2023 6:30:33 GMT
Why does it take this long to discover?
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Post by scfc75 on Feb 7, 2023 6:36:24 GMT
Why does it take this long to discover? Claim, counter claim, refute the evidence, negotiate, deny…. the lawyers on both sides will want it to go on forever. It’$ hard to s€€ why.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 7, 2023 6:53:47 GMT
It’s pretty sad that the 2 most successful clubs over the last 10-20 years Man C and Chelsea have won all those trophies by either cheating or using blood money from Putins mate. Yet the Football league would rather hammer the smaller clubs with point deductions for FFP. The whole system stinks.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 7, 2023 7:58:12 GMT
I've said it before but the "big" clubs need to stand up and fuck ffp off by challenging it, its shit. How would that work? The rules are supported by every club that isn't a "big" club because without some constraints the "big" clubs would just rig the league more than they do at the moment. The Premier League have as much interest in keeping the little clubs on board as the big clubs because without them there isn't a league and, as shown by the reaction to the European Super League, the big clubs don't want to undermine their position in the Premier League either. Do you really expect the little clubs to roll over and let the big clubs run everything on their terms? In the case of Man City the other big clubs who have abided by the rules are going to be as pissed off as the little clubs - they will support the league in sanctioning Man City as much as the rest. All leagues have rules and if a club breaks the rules all the other clubs will want to see them punished. The league won't back down if any club steps out of line because the other clubs won't let them and if they did they'd walk away and form a league run by people who will enforce rules designed to stop financial clout bring the sole factor if success.
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Post by franklin on Feb 7, 2023 9:02:29 GMT
I've said it before but the "big" clubs need to stand up and fuck ffp off by challenging it, its shit. How would that work? The rules are supported by every club that isn't a "big" club because without some constraints the "big" clubs would just rig the league more than they do at the moment. The Premier League have as much interest in keeping the little clubs on board as the big clubs because without them there isn't a league and, as shown by the reaction to the European Super League, the big clubs don't want to undermine their position in the Premier League either. Do you really expect the little clubs to roll over and let the big clubs run everything on their terms? In the case of Man City the other big clubs who have abided by the rules are going to be as pissed off as the little clubs - they will support the league in sanctioning Man City as much as the rest. All leagues have rules and if a club breaks the rules all the other clubs will want to see them punished. The league won't back down if any club steps out of line because the other clubs won't let them and if they did they'd walk away and form a league run by people who will enforce rules designed to stop financial clout bring the sole factor if success. You own a club you spend as you see fit that's how I see it working its really that simple. Clubs still go bump with ffp so that's one false reason for ffp being in existence.
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Post by Squeekster on Feb 7, 2023 9:21:13 GMT
It would be very 'Stoke' if our first noteworthy silverware in fifty years would be won by default twelve years after the fact. How dare you! The Watney cup, of which we are still the holders, is up there with the best!
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