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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 5, 2023 19:06:10 GMT
And he needs telling that he’s not a footballer. If he cut out the dodgy attempt to being Franz Beckenbauer he’d be half way there. Pass it simple and no longer than 10 yards. Yet he's by far the best footballer in our backline, so being as we insist on playing as we do which of our defenders is it that you want to take on that responsibility for progressing the ball? Noted you don't have an answer, it's a really simple question.
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Post by stokemark on Feb 5, 2023 19:20:28 GMT
Let’s face it - a defence as weak as ours now is is a huge concern. If we do go down this season it will be because of the failure to strengthen an area that is dependent on a 40 year old playing week in week out.
Shocking
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Post by chuckrocky on Feb 5, 2023 19:23:12 GMT
Yet he's by far the best footballer in our backline, so being as we insist on playing as we do which of our defenders is it that you want to take on that responsibility for progressing the ball? Noted you don't have an answer, it's a really simple question. The stats don’t back up your claim. Passing accuracy this season: Jagielka - 82%, with an average of 44 passes per game Wilmot - 73%, with an average of 36 passes per game Fox - 70%, with an average of 34 passes per game
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 5, 2023 20:10:23 GMT
Noted you don't have an answer, it's a really simple question. The stats don’t back up your claim. Passing accuracy this season: Jagielka - 82%, with an average of 44 passes per game Wilmot - 73%, with an average of 36 passes per game Fox - 70%, with an average of 34 passes per game Those stats don't consider whether the passing is progressive. Jags rarely tries anything ambitious.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 5, 2023 22:55:19 GMT
Yet he’s been more solid than Gary these last few months. Mad that. No what you mean is he's made a few less costly errors. People who do less in any role normally do, his contribution to both defending and attacking is far inferior. No. He’s been a much more solid player.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 6, 2023 7:50:32 GMT
No what you mean is he's made a few less costly errors. People who do less in any role normally do, his contribution to both defending and attacking is far inferior. No. He’s been a much more solid player. Strange every time I watch him he’s the epitome of someone hiding in plain sight. Not proactive enough to be a wide CB, not dominant enough the be the middle CB, not attacking enough to be a FB. Just a complete nothing player.
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Post by superpotter on Feb 6, 2023 14:32:53 GMT
I think there’s far worse than Wilmot . He gets far too much criticism, but that’s just people’s opinions.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Feb 6, 2023 15:15:48 GMT
I think there’s far worse than Wilmot . He gets far too much criticism, but that’s just people’s opinions. TBH no one in our squad is immune to criticism, every player we have are subject to the odd howler. There shouldn't be anyone singled out, we could all think of something shit that every one of our players has done recently (new signings included) but to blatantly single out one player for some "special" treatment is typical of some hysterical Stoke supporters looking for someone to put the blame on. Here's a novel idea - it may be a strange one for some but how about trying to get behind the players, cheer them and hope they can gain some confidence knowing that every microcosm of a mistake they make won't be jumped on booed and slated for months by wannabe Premier League winning micro-managers that this board is full of. Gouranga.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 6, 2023 15:28:04 GMT
I think there’s far worse than Wilmot . He gets far too much criticism, but that’s just people’s opinions. TBH no one in our squad is immune to criticism, every player we have are subject to the odd howler. There shouldn't be anyone singled out, we could all think of something shit that every one of our players has done recently (new signings included) but to blatantly single out one player for some "special" treatment is typical of some hysterical Stoke supporters looking for someone to put the blame on. Here's a novel idea - it may be a strange one for some but how about trying to get behind the players, cheer them and hope they can gain some confidence knowing that every microcosm of a mistake they make won't be jumped on booed and slated for months by wannabe Premier League winning micro-managers that this board is full of. Gouranga. Player that makes lots of mistakes getting blamed for making lots of mistakes shocker.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 6, 2023 15:29:31 GMT
Wilmot is a decent defender at this level.... If he was anything like some people expect him to be, he certainly wouldn't be playing for Stoke!!!
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Post by hoppo96 on Feb 6, 2023 15:33:13 GMT
I like Wilmot (although shit at the weekend) but with the others it's generally because they've not been great. I mean Joe Allen was not the worst player we have ever had, and not a shit like many we've had lately but that doesn't change my view he was a very overrated player here that did not justify his big fee.
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Post by stokeranger on Feb 6, 2023 15:49:14 GMT
I like Wilmot (although shit at the weekend) but with the others it's generally because they've not been great. I mean Joe Allen was not the worst player we have ever had, and not a shit like many we've had lately but that doesn't change my view he was a very overrated player here that did not justify his big fee. The only trouble with Wilmot is that, he has got three mistakes per match in him. If he could work on this issue he could be a good player.
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Post by superpotter on Feb 6, 2023 15:51:18 GMT
TBH no one in our squad is immune to criticism, every player we have are subject to the odd howler. There shouldn't be anyone singled out, we could all think of something shit that every one of our players has done recently (new signings included) but to blatantly single out one player for some "special" treatment is typical of some hysterical Stoke supporters looking for someone to put the blame on. Here's a novel idea - it may be a strange one for some but how about trying to get behind the players, cheer them and hope they can gain some confidence knowing that every microcosm of a mistake they make won't be jumped on booed and slated for months by wannabe Premier League winning micro-managers that this board is full of. Gouranga. Player that makes lots of mistakes getting blamed for making lots of mistakes shocker.
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Post by superpotter on Feb 6, 2023 16:01:22 GMT
Not only him is though that makes mistakes that’s what I’m saying , Won’t say anymore as you have far more time than me to argue about it 👍
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Post by ceejays on Feb 6, 2023 17:44:54 GMT
Player that makes lots of mistakes getting blamed for making lots of mistakes shocker. The most TOXIC supporter of all time speaks . So verlinden Bursik and Collins ( more iconic than Hudson or whatever) . As Peter Dobing and Mike Doyle said the fans at Stoke are TOXIC, just FOUTV
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 6, 2023 17:54:22 GMT
Not only him is though that makes mistakes that’s what I’m saying , Won’t say anymore as you have far more time than me to argue about it 👍 No but its not like he's the only one getting blamed is it? For the goal at the weekened it all stems from him being rash and leaving the defensive line when there is no need to. He stays where he starts and the goal doesn't happen.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 6, 2023 17:56:14 GMT
The most TOXIC supporter of all time speaks . So verlinden Bursik and Collins ( more iconic than Hudson or whatever) . As Peter Dobing and Mike Doyle said the fans at Stoke are TOXIC, just FOUTV Ah yes toxic for calling of this demise of ours early and when it could actually be stopped. The toxic ones are the happy clappers who have allowed this shit to happen whilst applauding the team off when relegated and still can't fathom why people are angry and upset about it all now.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 6, 2023 18:16:39 GMT
He’s been poor for a good while now but I don’t think it’s entirely his own doing. If the manager is saying to him “try and be progressive with the ball” or “win that first header” then that’s what he’s going to try to do. He’d certainly be a better player if he kept it simple with his passing and didn’t go charging in for headers in no man’s land
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 7, 2023 9:30:32 GMT
He’s been poor for a good while now but I don’t think it’s entirely his own doing. If the manager is saying to him “try and be progressive with the ball” or “win that first header” then that’s what he’s going to try to do. He’d certainly be a better player if he kept it simple with his passing and didn’t go charging in for headers in no man’s land Just not how 3 at the back is played. I don’t recall seeing a single team playing it where the three CB’s just sit in and keep it simple. I’ve asked the question before without it being answered “given our pool of CB’s who is better equipped to do it”?
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