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Post by thevoid on Feb 2, 2023 10:21:15 GMT
Other genitalia are available
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Post by Gob Bluth on Feb 2, 2023 10:28:48 GMT
I'm often accused and rightly so of being woke but this is a level too far for me and I say that as someone who goes to Stoke with my mum and have sometimes taken my young son (not in the family end) and hope to take my 3 year old daughter too. I have been on threads calling out sexism because we want the stadium to be a place for all but I hope those that dislike the song can understand it's not real and no one is condoning that behaviour.
Re Delilah it's symbolism, a metaphor. Probably there is a conversation to be had but while we're here, please don't get your gun and shoot Vale fans.
I don't know what everyone else does but I tell my lad that people will say things that I don't want him to repeat at home or school and he doesn't. In a world of drudge I think it does him good to see adults truly passionate about something and it's not uncommon for expletives to come out when people are passionate about things.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Feb 2, 2023 10:34:19 GMT
Saw More Woke B@llocks supporting World of Twist in the early 90s. Great band. They were, agreed. Disappointing second album, however. Their bassist was on the "identity Parade" slot on Never Mind the Buzzcocks a few years ago. As ever, as he left the set, Mark Lamarr was able to observe: "Ladies and Gentleman, Dave Trousers - now stacking shelves in Aldi back in the studio recording new material.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Feb 2, 2023 11:26:31 GMT
Reports are now coming out of Merseyside about singing You'll Never Walk Alone and the dangers of walking alone in the wind and rain, worlds gone mad.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 2, 2023 11:44:30 GMT
Just when you couldn't hold the club in any lower regard.....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 11:55:03 GMT
They're very obviously doing it to help with the PR problems of the Welsh Rugby institute aren't they?
It's obviously not going to be banned at Stoke, and I don't really know why anyone cares enough to complain either way.
Stoke distancing themselves from it is just sensible as a business decision.
As usual, the current 'wokes are stealing our [xyz]' is an entirely manufactured non-issue.
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Post by dastokie on Feb 2, 2023 11:55:49 GMT
Why why why ? Absolute b@ll@cks the world is going mad. I am a white heterosexual Male over 50 years of age that should offend at least 80% of the country. I just except people for who they are not what they are everyones e titled to an opinion it seem free speech is null and void now. If you dont want to sing Delilah dont but f@ck me is it really that offensive if so virtually every chant. Crystal Palace for feeling Glad all over. Leeds for marching on together. Blues for keeping right on to the end of the road. Baggies because the Lords their shepherd. Hammers fof blowing bubbles. Etc.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Feb 2, 2023 11:55:58 GMT
Just when you couldn't hold the club in any lower regard..... I haven't got a problem with this. When they played it over the tannoy it was false and I always preferred to hear the team news while the toss is being decided. In terms of the bar, I'm happy with the name Ricardo's. Delilah's always sounded like a brothel!
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 2, 2023 11:56:57 GMT
Sorry lads, I love Delilah as much as the rest of us but I think there’s a fair chat to be had about it. We live in a world where there is an unacceptable amount of sexual abuse - I’m not sure we can brush off using a line where a dick is stuck in someone’s hand as banter and woke bollocks. The older is get the more I’m starting to grow a conscience about it It's the over sexualisation of women on Instagram, TikTok and the whole influencer lifestyle that should be targeted. Not to mention how quick, easy and free it is to access hardcore porn these days. a few thousands stokies isn't going to encourage us all to go and commit sexual abuse mate, come on. Proper over thinking it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 2, 2023 11:57:28 GMT
Just when you couldn't hold the club in any lower regard..... I haven't got a problem with this. When they played it over the tannoy it was false and I always preferred to hear the team news while the toss is being decided. In terms of the bar, I'm happy with the name Ricardo's. Delilah's always sounded like a brothel! Oh God yeah over the tannoy it sounded shit but if they got rid of it for that reason I wouldn't have an issue with it.
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Post by ParaPsych on Feb 2, 2023 12:06:08 GMT
The elephant in the room is Stoke fans have slowly been moving away from it naturally anyway. Even before we were shit and had nothing to sing about, it was not what it once was.
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Post by nott1 on Feb 2, 2023 12:23:34 GMT
We are Stoke and we will sing what we want! As long as nobody minds and it doesn't upset people or snowflakes I don't care if it does!
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Post by spiderpuss on Feb 2, 2023 12:24:14 GMT
No loss, hated the song personally and didn't seem to have much to do with Stoke other than it was just "chosen". Good riddance.
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Post by nott1 on Feb 2, 2023 12:25:38 GMT
Just when you couldn't hold the club in any lower regard..... PLEASE KEEP SINGING IT AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY!
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 2, 2023 13:34:26 GMT
I have to be honest the ‘I put my dick in her hand’ bit always made me feel a bit uncomfortable. Even more so since becoming a parent.
I always thought it was a missed opportunity….
“Stein/Ric put the ball in the net and they laughed no more’ would have been the job imo.
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Post by neworleanstokie on Feb 2, 2023 13:34:33 GMT
I'm a pre-Delilah supporter, it's never resonated with me and I'll be happy to never hear it sung again.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Feb 2, 2023 13:52:38 GMT
I have to be honest the ‘I put my dick in her hand’ bit always made me feel a bit uncomfortable. Even more so since becoming a parent. I always thought it was a missed opportunity…. “Stein/Ric put the ball in the net and they laughed no more’ would have been the job imo. You felt uncomfortable? How do you think I felt when my mum sang it?!
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Delilah
Feb 2, 2023 14:10:47 GMT
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Post by Sfance on Feb 2, 2023 14:10:47 GMT
Sorry lads, I love Delilah as much as the rest of us but I think there’s a fair chat to be had about it. We live in a world where there is an unacceptable amount of sexual abuse - I’m not sure we can brush off using a line where a dick is stuck in someone’s hand as banter and woke bollocks. The older is get the more I’m starting to grow a conscience about it I think you are right. The world is rightly changing on such things. I know the Club has had some complaints about it from parents and women supporters. Personally, I much prefer "We'll be with you" - a unique Stoke song, written by Tony Hatch and Jackie Trent for the 72 LC final, which not only has a great tune but uniquely captures the relationship between the team and the fans. For me, that's our anthem.
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Post by Sfance on Feb 2, 2023 14:13:26 GMT
Sorry lads, I love Delilah as much as the rest of us but I think there’s a fair chat to be had about it. We live in a world where there is an unacceptable amount of sexual abuse - I’m not sure we can brush off using a line where a dick is stuck in someone’s hand as banter and woke bollocks. The older is get the more I’m starting to grow a conscience about it I think you are right. The world is rightly changing on such things. I know the Club has had some complaints about it from parents and women supporters. Personally, I much prefer "We'll be with you" - a unique Stoke song, written by Tony Hatch and Jackie Trent for the 72 LC final, which not only has a great tune but uniquely captures the relationship between the team and the fans. For me, that's our anthem. If everyone had to stop doing stuff because some people complained about it, not much would get done.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 2, 2023 14:15:47 GMT
They'll be stopping us shooting Fail fans next đŸ˜€
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Post by hoppo96 on Feb 2, 2023 14:25:36 GMT
It's been suggested before, the only reason Welsh Rugby are doing it now is because they've got a massive scandal that has happened under their watch. It's an easy win, it's a classic somebody at the top going "you know what will make us look good?"
Not a single supporter of Stoke City will ever be kicked out of a football match for singing delilah.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 2, 2023 14:41:09 GMT
I think you are right. The world is rightly changing on such things. I know the Club has had some complaints about it from parents and women supporters. Personally, I much prefer "We'll be with you" - a unique Stoke song, written by Tony Hatch and Jackie Trent for the 72 LC final, which not only has a great tune but uniquely captures the relationship between the team and the fans. For me, that's our anthem. If everyone had to stop doing stuff because some people complained about it, not much would get done. True, and I wouldn't say that, but sometimes in life you stop doing things which upset those who you care about, for that reason alone. If fellow stokies who go to matches find it uncomfortable or even offensive enough to complain about it, then I think it is respectful and polite to take it seriously. It's not as though there's any shortage of other things to sing. The words of Delilah have nothing to do with football, the City of Stoke or Stoke City FC. For the reasons I said above, for me, "We'll be with you" is a far better anthem for us.
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Post by greystokie on Feb 2, 2023 14:54:25 GMT
If everyone had to stop doing stuff because some people complained about it, not much would get done. True, and I wouldn't say that, but sometimes in life you stop doing things which upset those who you care about, for that reason alone. If fellow stokies who go to matches find it uncomfortable or even offensive enough to complain about it, then I think it is respectful and polite to take it seriously. It's not as though there's any shortage of other things to sing. The words of Delilah have nothing to do with football, the City of Stoke or Stoke City FC. For the reasons I said above, for me, "We'll be with you" is a far better anthem for us. No Malcolm. We'll be with you is an awful song. In football Delilah is instantly associated with Stoke City and it's fans and should remain so. Anyone who attends any football match will hear far worse than "I put my dick in etc" and if they are offended by that then they would be better advised to do something else than attend a football match.
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Post by medwaypotter on Feb 2, 2023 15:07:13 GMT
True, and I wouldn't say that, but sometimes in life you stop doing things which upset those who you care about, for that reason alone. If fellow stokies who go to matches find it uncomfortable or even offensive enough to complain about it, then I think it is respectful and polite to take it seriously. It's not as though there's any shortage of other things to sing. The words of Delilah have nothing to do with football, the City of Stoke or Stoke City FC. For the reasons I said above, for me, "We'll be with you" is a far better anthem for us. No Malcolm. We'll be with you is an awful song. In football Delilah is instantly associated with Stoke City and it's fans and should remain so. Anyone who attends any football match will hear far worse than "I put my dick in etc" and if they are offended by that then they would be better advised to do something else than attend a football match. This, offended by 'dick', but no moans about calling a player wanker 50 nor 60 times.
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Post by danceswithclams on Feb 2, 2023 15:08:43 GMT
Not to mention how quick, easy and free it is to access hardcore porn these days. A triumph of the modern age.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 15:14:56 GMT
No Malcolm. We'll be with you is an awful song. In football Delilah is instantly associated with Stoke City and it's fans and should remain so. Anyone who attends any football match will hear far worse than "I put my dick in etc" and if they are offended by that then they would be better advised to do something else than attend a football match. This, offended by 'dick', but no moans about calling a player wanker 50 nor 60 times. I think it's clear that they're not solely offended by the bad language really isn't it? The word 'dick' is not the problem, the sexual assault sentiment is.
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Post by spiderpuss on Feb 2, 2023 15:19:18 GMT
I'm not that bothered by the offensive lyrics in it (and let's face it a knife compared to a dick), there's far worse being sung at grounds, far far worse. I've never felt it's really anything to do with us, and for that reason I'm happy to see the back of it. That and the fact the opposition always seem to score whilst it's doing the rounds.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 2, 2023 15:29:23 GMT
True, and I wouldn't say that, but sometimes in life you stop doing things which upset those who you care about, for that reason alone. If fellow stokies who go to matches find it uncomfortable or even offensive enough to complain about it, then I think it is respectful and polite to take it seriously. It's not as though there's any shortage of other things to sing. The words of Delilah have nothing to do with football, the City of Stoke or Stoke City FC. For the reasons I said above, for me, "We'll be with you" is a far better anthem for us. No Malcolm. We'll be with you is an awful song. In football Delilah is instantly associated with Stoke City and it's fans and should remain so. Anyone who attends any football match will hear far worse than "I put my dick in etc" and if they are offended by that then they would be better advised to do something else than attend a football match. You are of course right that they will hear much worse language, but as lilfraise says, the offence is not caused by the language as such, but by the sexual assault context. We will have to agree to disagree - very respectfully of course - about WBWY. Those stokies who feel it's inappropriate to sing our version of Delilah are just as entitled to challenge the culture as you are to suggest that they should stop watching their team on a Saturday afternoon.
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Post by greystokie on Feb 2, 2023 15:30:57 GMT
This, offended by 'dick', but no moans about calling a player wanker 50 nor 60 times. I think it's clear that they're not solely offended by the bad language really isn't it? The word 'dick' is not the problem, the sexual assault sentiment is. It's only a sexual assault sentiment if you are determined to make it so. The phrase has to have similarities with the original song or it doesn't work. So, "I felt the knife in my hand" becomes "I put my dick in her hand" but the implication is that the said dick is so large/ impressive that she would be receptive rather than scornful. There is certainly no real suggestion of any violent sexual assault, It's actually a piece of humour. Again, I say, if people can't handle stuff like this then it's up to them to avoid putting themselves in such situations instead of expecting everyone and everything else to change to accommodate their particular sensibilities.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 2, 2023 15:36:00 GMT
I'm not that bothered by the offensive lyrics in it (and let's face it a knife compared to a dick), there's far worse being sung at grounds, far far worse. I've never felt it's really anything to do with us, and for that reason I'm happy to see the back of it. That and the fact the opposition always seem to score whilst it's doing the rounds. Your bracket highlights that arguably the original version which is about murder in a fit of sexual jealousy ( and has not so far as I know been banned by radio stations etc) is worse than the stokie version. Personally, I don't like either, and, as you say and I said above, it has nothing to do with football, the City or our club.
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