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Post by hoppo96 on Jan 16, 2023 9:42:23 GMT
I think we need new players, especially a Goalkeeper and a few more midfielders. That said, good managers/coaches get more out of the players we have. MON managed to get a tune out of Baker, Brown, Campbell. Tymon is a solid left defender at this level. H Clarke, Sterling, Jagielka, Wilmot, Souttar (!), Laurent, DWP, Powell all have something to offer.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jan 16, 2023 10:37:25 GMT
Most of you will disagree with me but I don't think we need a lot of signings. If we could bring in a quality goalkeeper and a quality DM, that would make a big difference and I am sure would be enough to keep us up. I would rather make wholesale changes in the summer when there is usually more options available and more time for the new players to gel. Based on the Hartlepool game when our "strikers" couldn’t hit the sea from the deck of a ship, I’d say a decent goal scorer also priority.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 16, 2023 12:20:31 GMT
I think we need new players, especially a Goalkeeper and a few more midfielders. That said, good managers/coaches get more out of the players we have. MON managed to get a tune out of Baker, Brown, Campbell. Tymon is a solid left defender at this level. H Clarke, Sterling, Jagielka, Wilmot, Souttar (!), Laurent, DWP, Powell all have something to offer. Most managers have a preferred style of play that requires certain types of player to make it work. The players you mention, apart from Sterling, were brought in by MON to play his way. The problem is they aren't suited to how Neil wants to play. The only way to get the best out of this group of players is to go back to how MON wanted to setup and that isn't going to happen under Neil. Either the squad changes or Neil leaves. Baker is probably the best example. He's not become a crap player overnight and if played to his strengths has demonstrated he can be one of the most effective box to box/attacking midfielders in the league. He looks hopeless at the moment because Neil is playing him deep and launching the ball over his head rather than playing through the midfield and the wingbacks. It's not that Neil or Baker are crap at their jobs it's that they are incompatible. Baker will go on to play well elsewhere (or this one if Neil goes before he gets rid) and I've no doubt Neil will do well at another club (or even this one if given the time to move the likes of Baker on and shape his own squad). What isn't going to work is this squad with this manager.
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Post by LGH87 on Jan 16, 2023 12:30:09 GMT
We need a goalkeeper, a proper dm and a target man. That is the bare minimum required to stay up. Without those 3 I don't see how we survie tbh.
We probably need a centre half too but we may just get away with that if a gk and dm are signed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2023 14:38:16 GMT
AN has no chance without a goalie and a striker.
He also needs some bite in midfield,to have a decent chance.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 16, 2023 14:48:03 GMT
I think we need new players, especially a Goalkeeper and a few more midfielders. That said, good managers/coaches get more out of the players we have. MON managed to get a tune out of Baker, Brown, Campbell. Tymon is a solid left defender at this level. H Clarke, Sterling, Jagielka, Wilmot, Souttar (!), Laurent, DWP, Powell all have something to offer. Most managers have a preferred style of play that requires certain types of player to make it work. The players you mention, apart from Sterling, were brought in by MON to play his way. The problem is they aren't suited to how Neil wants to play. The only way to get the best out of this group of players is to go back to how MON wanted to setup and that isn't going to happen under Neil. Either the squad changes or Neil leaves. Baker is probably the best example. He's not become a crap player overnight and if played to his strengths has demonstrated he can be one of the most effective box to box/attacking midfielders in the league. He looks hopeless at the moment because Neil is playing him deep and launching the ball over his head rather than playing through the midfield and the wingbacks. It's not that Neil or Baker are crap at their jobs it's that they are incompatible. Baker will go on to play well elsewhere (or this one if Neil goes before he gets rid) and I've no doubt Neil will do well at another club (or even this one if given the time to move the likes of Baker on and shape his own squad). What isn't going to work is this squad with this manager. Will he? Maybe for a few months then return to type. He's been everywhere and no one wants him long term.
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Post by maine on Jan 16, 2023 14:58:34 GMT
Baker would look a lot better at--wait a minute, let's see- Swansea. Seriously he needs to play with someone who makes himself readily available,and is neat on the ball. The only midfielder who has looked like that, admittedly in pre-season, has been Kilkenny.
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Post by jeycov on Jan 16, 2023 15:49:41 GMT
Most of you will disagree with me but I don't think we need a lot of signings. If we could bring in a quality goalkeeper and a quality DM, that would make a big difference and I am sure would be enough to keep us up. I would rather make wholesale changes in the summer when there is usually more options available and more time for the new players to gel. If we can keep Souttar until the summer, then I agree
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2023 15:53:07 GMT
I think we need new players, especially a Goalkeeper and a few more midfielders. That said, good managers/coaches get more out of the players we have. MON managed to get a tune out of Baker, Brown, Campbell. Tymon is a solid left defender at this level. H Clarke, Sterling, Jagielka, Wilmot, Souttar (!), Laurent, DWP, Powell all have something to offer. Most managers have a preferred style of play that requires certain types of player to make it work. The players you mention, apart from Sterling, were brought in by MON to play his way. The problem is they aren't suited to how Neil wants to play. The only way to get the best out of this group of players is to go back to how MON wanted to setup and that isn't going to happen under Neil. Either the squad changes or Neil leaves. Baker is probably the best example. He's not become a crap player overnight and if played to his strengths has demonstrated he can be one of the most effective box to box/attacking midfielders in the league. He looks hopeless at the moment because Neil is playing him deep and launching the ball over his head rather than playing through the midfield and the wingbacks. It's not that Neil or Baker are crap at their jobs it's that they are incompatible. Baker will go on to play well elsewhere (or this one if Neil goes before he gets rid) and I've no doubt Neil will do well at another club (or even this one if given the time to move the likes of Baker on and shape his own squad). What isn't going to work is this squad with this manager. Shows just how stupid and ill-thought-out our move for Neil was.
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Post by iamstokie on Jan 16, 2023 15:57:04 GMT
If we’re not signing anyone then letting Delap go will be a mistake. You’ve got to hope there’s an actual plan in place for better signings surely. Man City recalled him nothing we could do about it if we wanted to
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Post by iamstokie on Jan 16, 2023 15:59:27 GMT
It's looking like it all boils down to Souttar, if we want to avoid the shot in the dark of couple of loan gambles? Permanent deals look out of the question unless he goes Outside of him, who is going to attract bids? Tymon, Brown, Campbell? You might have said so at points in the last 2 years, but can't see it now. Our budget-restricted January loans have been notoriously shit - mostly young kids who've made no impression or players with no minutes in their legs who can't hit the ground running - Clarke, Matondo, THB, Maja, Moore , Philogene.... So God only knows who's on the list this time. The pool of semi-proven loanable options who can make an impact in a pressurised potential relegation fight will be ridiculously small and there'll be a queue for them, most looking more attractive than us at the moment. It asks the question what our coaching team are doing as players have actually got worse instead of better
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Post by hoppo96 on Jan 18, 2023 13:51:21 GMT
In a way if he can't deal with this group of players maybe he's not all that. But yeah after losing Delap, possibly Kilkenny/Clarke, doesn't really fancy Taylor/DWP, then we need new additions.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 18, 2023 15:11:42 GMT
Most managers have a preferred style of play that requires certain types of player to make it work. The players you mention, apart from Sterling, were brought in by MON to play his way. The problem is they aren't suited to how Neil wants to play. The only way to get the best out of this group of players is to go back to how MON wanted to setup and that isn't going to happen under Neil. Either the squad changes or Neil leaves. Baker is probably the best example. He's not become a crap player overnight and if played to his strengths has demonstrated he can be one of the most effective box to box/attacking midfielders in the league. He looks hopeless at the moment because Neil is playing him deep and launching the ball over his head rather than playing through the midfield and the wingbacks. It's not that Neil or Baker are crap at their jobs it's that they are incompatible. Baker will go on to play well elsewhere (or this one if Neil goes before he gets rid) and I've no doubt Neil will do well at another club (or even this one if given the time to move the likes of Baker on and shape his own squad). What isn't going to work is this squad with this manager. Shows just how stupid and ill-thought-out our move for Neil was. It was ill thought out if the idea was we would make immediate progress with this squad under Neil but to be fair John Coates said they were looking for a change of direction when they brought Neil in so I think they knew the squad would have to change for Neil to come good and that wouldn't happen this season. I think the problem is they've under estimated just how incompatible Neil and the current squad are - Neil doesn't seem to trust the players and the players don't seem to have bought in to what he's doing. It looks like he's going to do a pretty substantial clear out this January - which is an awful time to do any serious squad building but to be honest I think he has to. If he carries on with this squad we're down. I also think there is enough in this squad to stay up under a different manager but that's looking increasingly unlikely. Fingers crossed the gamble of sticking pays off.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2023 15:19:33 GMT
Shows just how stupid and ill-thought-out our move for Neil was. It was ill thought out if the idea was we would make immediate progress with this squad under Neil but to be fair John Coates said they were looking for a change of direction when they brought Neil in so I think they knew the squad would have to change for Neil to come good and that wouldn't happen this season. I think the problem is they've under estimated just how incompatible Neil and the current squad are - Neil doesn't seem to trust the players and the players don't seem to have bought in to what he's doing. It looks like he's going to do a pretty substantial clear out this January - which is an awful time to do any serious squad building but to be honest I think he has to. If he carries on with this squad we're down. I also think there is enough in this squad to stay up under a different manager but that's looking increasingly unlikely. Fingers crossed the gamble of sticking pays off. If they'd decided that they should've done so before we gave a manager a full window to build his own squad for a low tempo possession game. We've gone balls to the wall for Neil twice now and it's a bit depressing that this is the family's number 1 dream manager.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 18, 2023 15:20:26 GMT
Most managers have a preferred style of play that requires certain types of player to make it work. The players you mention, apart from Sterling, were brought in by MON to play his way. The problem is they aren't suited to how Neil wants to play. The only way to get the best out of this group of players is to go back to how MON wanted to setup and that isn't going to happen under Neil. Either the squad changes or Neil leaves. Baker is probably the best example. He's not become a crap player overnight and if played to his strengths has demonstrated he can be one of the most effective box to box/attacking midfielders in the league. He looks hopeless at the moment because Neil is playing him deep and launching the ball over his head rather than playing through the midfield and the wingbacks. It's not that Neil or Baker are crap at their jobs it's that they are incompatible. Baker will go on to play well elsewhere (or this one if Neil goes before he gets rid) and I've no doubt Neil will do well at another club (or even this one if given the time to move the likes of Baker on and shape his own squad). What isn't going to work is this squad with this manager. Will he? Maybe for a few months then return to type. He's been everywhere and no one wants him long term. To date he's been sent out on a series of loans - even if clubs wanted him it was down to whether Chelsea wanted to let him go (and clearly they didn't) or Baker wanted to stay on Chelsea's books to show he could break through there. In effect he hasn't made the grade at Chelsea - hardly an indicator that he won't have a decent career at this level. His fall off in form has been under Neil and of late Neil has been bypassing the midfield and Baker looks completely ineffective because he isn't used to his strengths. We've seen that in the right system and with the right player around him he can be a decent player but it probably won't be here under Neil.
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Post by neddy on Jan 18, 2023 15:21:11 GMT
It’s looking like he may have to make do with these players? If so he needs them inside and playing for him. I hope head not burned to many bridges or we may be already stuffed?
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 18, 2023 15:49:09 GMT
The title of this thread is frightening.
We are slipping away to relegation, utterly incapable of creating goals and only scoring from defensive gifts by our opponents. With the goals we are conceding we will be relegated unless there is a significant improvement.
I can't see any improvement with our players; they are either over the hill and/or lost form, or just here on loan without any commitment.
Last season we saw all the bottom 5 clubs, 5 games away from the season end, escape relegation; we can't rely on being a few points above the drop zone, we need a dramatic improvement. This manager is not going to deliver it with this squad. We desperately need some creativity and some reliable finishing, both of which are seriously missing.
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Post by UNKLE on Jan 18, 2023 16:10:13 GMT
General consensus is we need:-
Goalkeeper DM Striker Wide/inventive player
We’ve got two weeks left in the window, history shows how that January is not the best time to re-invigorate your squad, so we will probably be lucky to get 2 players that most fans will agree on being quality additions.
As another poster said if we can get a top drawer GK and DM to sure up our back line then we could be OK.
If we’re not scoring many and concede every game we’re going down.
Good January / late season signings I can think of are
GK- Mark Crossley Wide - Matty Ethrington Striker - James Beattie
I’m struggling for a DM….
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Post by berryhillpotter on Jan 18, 2023 16:29:40 GMT
General consensus is we need:- Goalkeeper DM Striker Wide/inventive player We’ve got two weeks left in the window, history shows how that January is not the best time to re-invigorate your squad, so we will probably be lucky to get 2 players that most fans will agree on being quality additions. As another poster said if we can get a top drawer GK and DM to sure up our back line then we could be OK. If we’re not scoring many and concede every game we’re going down. Good January / late season signings I can think of are GK- Mark Crossley Wide - Matty Ethrington Striker - James Beattie I’m struggling for a DM…. I seem to remember whelan signing in January so I add a quick Google. Whelan joined Stoke City on 30 January 2008 for £500,000 signing a three and a half-year contract.
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Post by spiderpuss on Jan 18, 2023 16:32:33 GMT
General consensus is we need:- Goalkeeper DM Striker Wide/inventive player We’ve got two weeks left in the window, history shows how that January is not the best time to re-invigorate your squad, so we will probably be lucky to get 2 players that most fans will agree on being quality additions. As another poster said if we can get a top drawer GK and DM to sure up our back line then we could be OK. If we’re not scoring many and concede every game we’re going down. Good January / late season signings I can think of are GK- Mark Crossley Wide - Matty Ethrington Striker - James Beattie I’m struggling for a DM…. I seem to remember in January so I add a quick Google. Whelan joined Stoke City on 30 January 2008 for £500,000 signing a three and a half-year contract. So in other words, it's straightforward to liven up the team in January.
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Post by nott1 on Jan 18, 2023 16:40:35 GMT
General consensus is we need:- Goalkeeper DM Striker Wide/inventive player We’ve got two weeks left in the window, history shows how that January is not the best time to re-invigorate your squad, so we will probably be lucky to get 2 players that most fans will agree on being quality additions. As another poster said if we can get a top drawer GK and DM to sure up our back line then we could be OK. If we’re not scoring many and concede every game we’re going down. Good January / late season signings I can think of are GK- Mark Crossley Wide - Matty Ethrington Striker - James Beattie I’m struggling for a DM…. I seem to remember whelan signing in January so I add a quick Google. Whelan joined Stoke City on 30 January 2008 for £500,000 signing a three and a half-year contract. We have enough sideways passers now!
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Post by berryhillpotter on Jan 18, 2023 17:23:57 GMT
I seem to remember whelan signing in January so I add a quick Google. Whelan joined Stoke City on 30 January 2008 for £500,000 signing a three and a half-year contract. We have enough sideways passers now! I'd be grateful if this lot could pass at all to be honest 😔
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Post by berryhillpotter on Jan 18, 2023 17:32:05 GMT
I seem to remember in January so I add a quick Google. Whelan joined Stoke City on 30 January 2008 for £500,000 signing a three and a half-year contract. So in other words, it's straightforward to liven up the team in January. I was answering the DM question ,with regards Stoke nothing is straight forward is it😉
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