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Post by somersetstokie on Jan 14, 2023 13:18:04 GMT
Over the years the "local Derby" has become a fascinating and essential feature of our domestic football programme. Some are massive sporting and social occasions such as in Glasgow or Liverpool, and some are perhaps a little more contrived and of lesser impact, such as the rather forced "Severnside Derby" between Cardiff and Bristol City.
My thought processes were sparked by the occurence this weekend of the Manchester Derby and the North London Derby. Todays big clash between Manchester United and City, which is apparently the 189th such meeting between the Clubs, has become a massive event of both local and National importance.
It got me wondering if, should we ever meet local team Port Vale on a more regular basis than we do, whether we might develop more respect for them as a club. Maybe we should attempt to hold an annual fixture between us, perhaps at the start of the season, like a sort of Charity Shield event. Or maybe a charity fund raiser to say thanks to all the fans at the end of each seasonal campaign. Forget all the serious stuff and just have a bit of comedy fun at least once each year!
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Post by lordb on Jan 14, 2023 13:19:01 GMT
Absolutely 100000000% no
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Post by wuzza on Jan 14, 2023 13:21:48 GMT
The relationship worked best when we were in the top flight and them in the bottom 🙂
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Post by slash on Jan 14, 2023 13:22:00 GMT
we might develop more respect for them as a club hell will be long frozen over before i respect the fail |
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Post by Orbs on Jan 14, 2023 13:22:34 GMT
They can shove it up their arse and fuck off while they’re doing it.
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Post by Billy the kid on Jan 14, 2023 13:26:08 GMT
It's a no from me. Playing Port fucking Vale either as a League game, cup game, friendly or even U21s there is absolutely NOTHING to gain and everything to lose. I would much rather their ground falls down a sink hole with their 4500 fans with it.
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Post by marylandstoke on Jan 14, 2023 14:05:03 GMT
And I thought what I was smoking was strong.  |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jan 14, 2023 14:10:59 GMT
You ever been a Stoke game?
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Jan 14, 2023 14:21:09 GMT
More chance of Stenhousmuir becoming out second favourite team.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jan 14, 2023 15:09:01 GMT
Have fond memories of those epic Wolstanton Utd vs Wolstanton Wanderers local derbies on the Marsh in 60s.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2023 15:31:27 GMT
Over the years the "local Derby" has become a fascinating and essential feature of our domestic football programme. Some are massive sporting and social occasions such as in Glasgow or Liverpool, and some are perhaps a little more contrived and of lesser impact, such as the rather forced "Severnside Derby" between Cardiff and Bristol City. My thought processes were sparked by the occurence this weekend of the Manchester Derby and the North London Derby. Todays big clash between Manchester United and City, which is apparently the 189th such meeting between the Clubs, has become a massive event of both local and National importance. It got me wondering if, should we ever meet local team Port Vale on a more regular basis than we do, whether we might develop more respect for them as a club. Maybe we should attempt to hold an annual fixture between us, perhaps at the start of the season, like a sort of Charity Shield event. Or maybe a charity fund raiser to say thanks to all the fans at the end of each seasonal campaign. Forget all the serious stuff and just have a bit of comedy fun at least once each year! No. I've never hated The Vale more than when we were playing at the same level as them. |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jan 14, 2023 17:07:54 GMT
3 hours and this thread still isn't in the shit bin?
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Post by Billy the kid on Jan 14, 2023 17:23:48 GMT
3 hours and this thread still isn't in the shit bin? its how far we have fallen. |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jan 15, 2023 10:57:27 GMT
3 hours and this thread still isn't in the shit bin? its how far we have fallen. What is? Someone's fairytale that playing Vale every season would be a good thing. I've noticed that it's always people who don't live in the area who are wishing them well and saying let's have a derby game every year it will all be jolly good. Working with the twats and living in the same area they would have a much different view. They truly are only happy when we loose and are not doing well and look out for our results more than their own. Horrible soapdodging fuckers. The only time I would like to visit that shithole once a year is if vale park was flattened and it was a shopping centre and I was doing my Christmas shop there. |
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Post by Billy the kid on Jan 15, 2023 12:48:27 GMT
its how far we have fallen. What is? Someone's fairytale that playing Vale every season would be a good thing. I've noticed that it's always people who don't live in the area who are wishing them well and saying let's have a derby game every year it will all be jolly good. Working with the twats and living in the same area they would have a much different view. They truly are only happy when we loose and are not doing well and look out for our results more than their own. Horrible soapdodging fuckers. The only time I would like to visit that shithole once a year is if vale park was flattened and it was a shopping centre and I was doing my Christmas shop there. I am 100 percent in agreement, how far we have fallen is exactly that, how far we have fallen. Where playing Vale is starting to look almost certain rather than being in some wierdos sick dreams. The fact that the thread is still alive and kicking is testament to this. |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jan 15, 2023 13:23:03 GMT
What is? Someone's fairytale that playing Vale every season would be a good thing. I've noticed that it's always people who don't live in the area who are wishing them well and saying let's have a derby game every year it will all be jolly good. Working with the twats and living in the same area they would have a much different view. They truly are only happy when we loose and are not doing well and look out for our results more than their own. Horrible soapdodging fuckers. The only time I would like to visit that shithole once a year is if vale park was flattened and it was a shopping centre and I was doing my Christmas shop there. I am 100 percent in agreement, how far we have fallen is exactly that, how far we have fallen. Where playing Vale is starting to look almost certain rather than being in some wierdos sick dreams. The fact that the thread is still alive and kicking is testament to this. I wouldn't say almost certain but we are in danger if things don't change and the next three games we need maximum points really. |
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Post by Billy the kid on Jan 15, 2023 13:51:35 GMT
I am 100 percent in agreement, how far we have fallen is exactly that, how far we have fallen. Where playing Vale is starting to look almost certain rather than being in some wierdos sick dreams. The fact that the thread is still alive and kicking is testament to this. I wouldn't say almost certain but we are in danger if things don't change and the next three games we need maximum points really. If current form is anything to go by, then that seems at best a tall order. |
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Post by Boothen on Jan 15, 2023 20:58:32 GMT
It got me wondering if, should we ever meet local team Port Vale on a more regular basis than we do, whether we might develop more respect for them as a club. We'll be playing them at least twice next season. So why not wait and find out? |
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Jan 15, 2023 21:07:10 GMT
Oh dear the lets play vale again because it will be good 😕 as said above there is NOTHING to gain from playing them, it was ok in the 70s we did used to have a pre season friendly every year almost stoke one year vake the next, it worked ok they knew they would never get near us not like now we picked Chamberlain up by one of these friendlies when he stood out at the vic. Can you imagine lets have a pre season friendly POLICE not a Chance fellas, i know one thing they are coming and we at the moment are going god forbid we meet anytime soon 😕
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Post by hoppo96 on Jan 16, 2023 9:54:50 GMT
Well we are playing ourselves back into regularly playing them...
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Post by hoppo96 on Jan 16, 2023 9:55:57 GMT
There is NOTHING to gain from us playing Vale. Nothing. Not a single thing. It was great when there were three divisions between us. I don't get the fascination with wanting to play them again, remember when we went to Old Trafford, Anfield, Emirates, etc in the league. Why do we want to chuck that away for games against the Vale? And we all know they'll beat us. It'll be their cup final, we'll pretend it matters and then play awfully.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 16, 2023 11:25:05 GMT
There is NOTHING to gain from us playing Vale. Nothing. Not a single thing. It was great when there were three divisions between us. I don't get the fascination with wanting to play them again, remember when we went to Old Trafford, Anfield, Emirates, etc in the league. Why do we want to chuck that away for games against the Vale? And we all know they'll beat us. It'll be their cup final, we'll pretend it matters and then play awfully. And even if we did win we'd get o credit. It'd just be sort of expected. |
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Post by hoppo96 on Jan 16, 2023 11:36:48 GMT
There is NOTHING to gain from us playing Vale. Nothing. Not a single thing. It was great when there were three divisions between us. I don't get the fascination with wanting to play them again, remember when we went to Old Trafford, Anfield, Emirates, etc in the league. Why do we want to chuck that away for games against the Vale? And we all know they'll beat us. It'll be their cup final, we'll pretend it matters and then play awfully. And even if we did win we'd get o credit. It'd just be sort of expected. exactly. Well done we've beaten Vale. That's it. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 16, 2023 12:53:11 GMT
And even if we did win we'd get o credit. It'd just be sort of expected. exactly. Well done we've beaten Vale. That's it. And if they beat us they carry on like Argentina when they won the World Cup. Open top bus parades through Burslem and burning effigies of Peter Dobing |
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Post by jzime on Jan 16, 2023 13:15:37 GMT
Stoke-on-Trent is a pretty unique in being a very small city (in terms of sheer population size) to have two fully-professional clubs that have consistently been in the Football League throughout their whole history. We don't really have the population to support two big top-flight clubs in the way that Manchester, Liverpool, (or some of the other big cities in European football do), and certainly not London which is in a whole league of its own in terms large cities in Western Europe.
Bristol are another relatively small UK city with two Football League clubs, but the difference there is that neither of their clubs have a particularly significant history of being a top-flight club like Stoke City have been at various points in out history.
There is a big of glass ceiling on how big the Vale are ever likely to be, because there is a glass ceiling on the sort of gate receipts they can ever hope to achieve, even in good spells in their history.
That alone explains why we've never played each other much. Port Vale a club that 'naturally' (for want of a better term, not particularly meant to be patronising or deliberately provocative) and historically sit in the third or fourth tier, with spells in the second division in particularly successful periods. Stoke City are a club that have spent most of their history in the top two divisions, with one spell in the third tier in a uniquely disastrous period of our history (and hopefully not a second any time soon).
Imho, it makes the times when we do play each other all the more unique and unusual. We should keep it that way, rather than artificially creating fixtures that are not fully-competitive league or cup fixtures.
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 16, 2023 13:59:47 GMT
Stoke-on-Trent is a pretty unique in being a very small city (in terms of sheer population size) to have two fully-professional clubs that have consistently been in the Football League throughout their whole history. We don't really have the population to support two big top-flight clubs in the way that Manchester, Liverpool, (or some of the other big cities in European football do), and certainly not London which is in a whole league of its own in terms large cities in Western Europe. Bristol are another relatively small UK city with two Football League clubs, but the difference there is that neither of their clubs have a particularly significant history of being a top-flight club like Stoke City have been at various points in out history. There is a big of glass ceiling on how big the Vale are ever likely to be, because there is a glass ceiling on the sort of gate receipts they can ever hope to achieve, even in good spells in their history. That alone explains why we've never played each other much. Port Vale a club that 'naturally' (for want of a better term, not particularly meant to be patronising or deliberately provocative) and historically sit in the third or fourth tier, with spells in the second division in particularly successful periods. Stoke City are a club that have spent most of their history in the top two divisions, with one spell in the third tier in a uniquely disastrous period of our history (and hopefully not a second any time soon). Imho, it makes the times when we do play each other all the more unique and unusual. We should keep it that way, rather than artificially creating fixtures that are not fully-competitive league or cup fixtures. Two spells in the third div already unfortunately... |
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Post by somersetstokie on Jan 17, 2023 21:56:09 GMT
But we did win a championship down there! Third Division North 1926/27.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Jan 17, 2023 23:24:59 GMT
There was been enough comedy at Stoke recently to last me a life time.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 18, 2023 14:33:02 GMT
Stoke-on-Trent is a pretty unique in being a very small city (in terms of sheer population size) to have two fully-professional clubs that have consistently been in the Football League throughout their whole history. We don't really have the population to support two big top-flight clubs in the way that Manchester, Liverpool, (or some of the other big cities in European football do), and certainly not London which is in a whole league of its own in terms large cities in Western Europe. Bristol are another relatively small UK city with two Football League clubs, but the difference there is that neither of their clubs have a particularly significant history of being a top-flight club like Stoke City have been at various points in out history. There is a big of glass ceiling on how big the Vale are ever likely to be, because there is a glass ceiling on the sort of gate receipts they can ever hope to achieve, even in good spells in their history. That alone explains why we've never played each other much. Port Vale a club that 'naturally' (for want of a better term, not particularly meant to be patronising or deliberately provocative) and historically sit in the third or fourth tier, with spells in the second division in particularly successful periods. Stoke City are a club that have spent most of their history in the top two divisions, with one spell in the third tier in a uniquely disastrous period of our history (and hopefully not a second any time soon). Imho, it makes the times when we do play each other all the more unique and unusual. We should keep it that way, rather than artificially creating fixtures that are not fully-competitive league or cup fixtures. Two spells in the third div already unfortunately... Three actually, two under the stewardship of the Coates Family |
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Post by slash on Jan 18, 2023 16:14:36 GMT
i think us playing vale would be a bit like when we did friendlies with Orlando MLS. two different levels of football, though i'm honestly not sure the eleven wankers we have on roster could beat the vale, so it really couldn't possibly lead to anything but misery and i have enough of that on match day for the last five years.
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