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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 7, 2023 10:50:34 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 7, 2023 11:08:53 GMT
Spot on from Ryan. Shocking recruitment both on and off the pitch. Clearly they weren’t using due diligence re the players character.
Imbula
Berahino
Wimmer
Jese
Vokes
Ince
Afobe
The list goes on
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 7, 2023 11:14:08 GMT
Good article. It highlights the fact that our problems are down to cumulative errors and the instability created by lurching from one manager's vision for the squad to the next. The problems are deep rooted and at the moment still look beyond any manager to solve any time soon.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Jan 7, 2023 11:18:21 GMT
One common factor the owners poor choice of managers chucking money about on players nobody else seemed to want the list is endless.
Its been mistake after mistake now for the last 6 years. The downward spiral just goes on with no sign of change.
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Post by greystokie on Jan 7, 2023 11:19:22 GMT
A sad picture of dreadful decision making and inevitable decline. Unfortunately it is difficult to believe that any lessons have been learnt from such a costly catalogue of errors.
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Post by Davef on Jan 7, 2023 11:21:44 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 7, 2023 11:24:47 GMT
Would have been interesting to see the introductory video they'd already made for QSF "with jaunty Spanish music"
How the hell do you go from him to Lambo? That's still one of 2 or 3 moments in the demise where you just have to question the sanity of all involved.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 7, 2023 11:31:02 GMT
We were prepared to pay £3m-a-year to QSF - then settled on a candidate who would have been grateful for any job and any salary above a crate of Irn Bru www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-what-happened-transfer-8001727To replace Hughes, Stoke hoped to bring in Quique Sanchez Flores from Espanyol and were confident enough that a deal had been agreed that a video complete was jaunty Spanish music was prepared for his unveiling. Instead he was seemingly spooked by a clause that would slash a proposed £60k-a-week contract if the club was relegated. |
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Post by onionman on Jan 7, 2023 11:31:06 GMT
Would have been interesting to see the introductory video they'd already made for QSF "with jaunty Spanish music" How the hell do you go from him to Lambo? That's still one of 2 or 3 moments in the demise where you just have to question the sanity of all involved. Then you see Wolves get turned down by Mick Beale and go and appoint the former Real Madrid and Spain manager. Sliding doors. |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 7, 2023 11:34:04 GMT
Wimmer, for that fee, was the most baffling signing by far.
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Post by scfc75 on Jan 7, 2023 11:36:23 GMT
Spot on from Ryan. Shocking recruitment both on and off the pitch. Clearly they weren’t using due diligence re the players character. Imbula Berahino Wimmer Jese Vokes Ince Afobe The list goes on Nothing wrong with the character of Vokes, Ince and Afobe. They were just way overpriced and not very good. |
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Post by thevoid on Jan 7, 2023 11:38:05 GMT
Has any other club made such a sustained and lengthy balls up given the resources available?
Some people might say Sunderland but they were being run on a pittance and were regular strugglers in the Premier League whereas we were not.
I'd also like to know what happened to Hughes between December 2015 when we were playing jaw dropping stuff and the meltdown that began after the cup defeat at Anfield because it was like tripping a switch.
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Post by Marc01 on Jan 7, 2023 12:37:55 GMT
And that was from April 2018… Now almost, five years on, the same question persists!… |
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Post by philb on Jan 7, 2023 12:46:46 GMT
Would have been interesting to see the introductory video they'd already made for QSF "with jaunty Spanish music" How the hell do you go from him to Lambo? That's still one of 2 or 3 moments in the demise where you just have to question the sanity of all involved. Makes me shudder every time I hear P**l L******s name in relation to our clubs recent history 😖 I can’t even type his name 😡 |
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Post by somersetstokie on Jan 7, 2023 12:52:36 GMT
Wimmer, for that fee, was the most baffling signing by far. I also believe that we got away lightly as we almost made another huge mistake when Spurs were later trying hard to persuade us to take forward Vincent Janssen off their hands! |
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Post by chigstoke on Jan 7, 2023 13:09:04 GMT
And that was from April 2018… Now almost, five years on, the same question persists!… |
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Post by callas12 on Jan 7, 2023 14:25:24 GMT
Wimmer, for that fee, was the most baffling signing by far. Out of all our clubs bad decisions/signings/appointments along the way this is the one that really irks me the most, still annoyed & baffled by it now! How The value of a player who signed for Spurs for £4.3mil could rise to £18mil after only making 15apps for Spurs in a 2x year stay is just nonsensical. Wimmer excluding wages cost us just shy of a £1million an appearance & that in itself is just ghastly to even think about. Let that figure sink in a moment! Hughes & Scholes royally had their pants pulled down with this deal. Sadly it wasnt in isolation though as we can well detail..😤 In any other walk of life or business being able to unaccount for a few thousand pounds would have devastating consequences, the millions our club has literally wasted & thrown away over the past 5 or so years with transfer outlays, signing on fees and wages is nothing short of criminal. |
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Post by dave1 on Jan 7, 2023 14:34:02 GMT
Spot on from Ryan. Shocking recruitment both on and off the pitch. Clearly they weren’t using due diligence re the players character. Imbula Berahino Wimmer Jese Vokes Ince Afobe The list goes on Are these all Hughes signings???? |
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Post by dave1 on Jan 7, 2023 14:34:28 GMT
Spot on from Ryan. Shocking recruitment both on and off the pitch. Clearly they weren’t using due diligence re the players character. Imbula Berahino Wimmer Jese Vokes Ince Afobe The list goes on Are these all Hughes signings???? Not sure why that posted an emoji!!! |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 7, 2023 14:40:25 GMT
We were prepared to pay £3m-a-year to QSF - then settled on a candidate who would have been grateful for any job and any salary above a crate of Irn Bru www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-what-happened-transfer-8001727To replace Hughes, Stoke hoped to bring in Quique Sanchez Flores from Espanyol and were confident enough that a deal had been agreed that a video complete was jaunty Spanish music was prepared for his unveiling. Instead he was seemingly spooked by a clause that would slash a proposed £60k-a-week contract if the club was relegated. Vested interests at play internally ? Who was sent to Spain to conclude the deal ? |
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Jan 7, 2023 14:51:44 GMT
Has any other club made such a sustained and lengthy balls up given the resources available? Some people might say Sunderland but they were being run on a pittance and were regular strugglers in the Premier League whereas we were not. I'd also like to know what happened to Hughes between December 2015 when we were playing jaw dropping stuff and the meltdown that began after the cup defeat at Anfield because it was like tripping a switch. I heard at the time it all started to go downhill that stoke had been approached for Hughes services for the Everton job but stoke flatly refused permission and Hughes wasn't happy about not being able to even speak to them so everything slid.. how true this is i don't know but i trusted the source at the time. |
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Post by somersetstokie on Jan 7, 2023 15:05:41 GMT
Someone down here who knows that I support Stoke, asked me the other day how we are getting on! The best answer that I could give was the analogy that Stoke now very much mirror the state of the Country in general. Very few things going right and a lot going wrong. Very many dissenting voices. Lots of problems and no obvious answers. The NHS will probably be fixed long before Stoke get back on track again.  |
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Jan 7, 2023 15:09:47 GMT
We were prepared to pay £3m-a-year to QSF - then settled on a candidate who would have been grateful for any job and any salary above a crate of Irn Bru www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-what-happened-transfer-8001727To replace Hughes, Stoke hoped to bring in Quique Sanchez Flores from Espanyol and were confident enough that a deal had been agreed that a video complete was jaunty Spanish music was prepared for his unveiling. Instead he was seemingly spooked by a clause that would slash a proposed £60k-a-week contract if the club was relegated. Vested interests at play internally ? Who was sent to Spain to conclude the deal ?  The Two Amigos no doubt....Like a ghost from Christmas past |
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Post by thevoid on Jan 7, 2023 15:21:03 GMT
Has any other club made such a sustained and lengthy balls up given the resources available? Some people might say Sunderland but they were being run on a pittance and were regular strugglers in the Premier League whereas we were not. I'd also like to know what happened to Hughes between December 2015 when we were playing jaw dropping stuff and the meltdown that began after the cup defeat at Anfield because it was like tripping a switch. I heard at the time it all started to go downhill that stoke had been approached for Hughes services for the Everton job but stoke flatly refused permission and Hughes wasn't happy about not being able to even speak to them so everything slid.. how true this is i don't know but i trusted the source at the time. Interesting |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 7, 2023 17:01:43 GMT
Think Nzonzi going was the beginning of the end for Hughes.
The run over Christmas was relatively short, as well as we played in those 2-3 games. He was convinced he needed a replacement and the side with Imbula in it was just wide open in midfield, plus the semi final clearly had a psychological impact to an extent.
Then the season after he started going properly doolally about wing backs, plus the Allen signing solved none of the problems he thought it would.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2023 17:40:46 GMT
Scholes later said: “Parting with Paul was really difficult because he came into a difficult job, made a number of good, positive changes, was an absolute gent and delight to work with and when he left every single person wished him well.
“Ultimately rightly or wrongly we thought Gary Rowett was going to give us a better chance than Paul Lambert at that point in time - but it was done with a heavy heart by the whole board.”
Loads will disagree , but I think this was a crucial turning point , we know now that Lambert wanted to bring in Dwight Gayle , who despite being rubbish now , would have been a decent shout at the time.
Lambert was making SLOW progress stamping out a lot of unprofessional behaviour and ridding himself of piss taking players he thought were unfit and didn't give a toss.
He tightened up the defence and improved energy levels , but we didn't score enough goals and were relegated.
It's easy to say that means PL is a numpty , get rid
But his strike force consisted of an unfit druggie ' where is the beer/drugs/girls/party ' berahino
And ' my child is ill and i need to get back to my wife and kid in madrid / oops I seem, to have accidentally on purpose flew to the balearic isles and am shacked up shagging a drop dead gorgeous babe , who is nothing to do with my wife , whilst being payed loads of money by PSG/stoke ' jesse
And the hardworking , but inexplicably totally forgot how to play football / couldn't hit a barn door from ten paces , Diouf
What a motley crew, how on earth do you get goals from that lot ?
We didn't get enough goals and PL trying to seriously tighten up a defence , conceding 4 and 5 , just made it worse in some ways
But honestly , what a shit hand of strikers .
if PL could have got in a jermain defoe ( brilliant ) or dwight gayle ( decent at the time ) , I think he was half way there to improving things in some ways .
Loads of people will disagree , but he was never given a proper chance . He wasn't given serious money either , unlike other stoke managers who failed.
On a separate issue , how the powers that be, can bring in PL and not a decent striker at the same time , beggars believe . Every one in the ground knew that berahino/jesse/diouf weren't going to be banging in the goals , how with prem survival at stake , anyone could not realise we need a striker as well as a manager is bizarre .
I suspect what did for PL , is he didn't what a lot of fanfare and management by committee , he wanted simplicity and honesty, players taking responsibility.
Bit unfortunate then that those above him, and a fair few of his players , wanted multi layers of complexity , easy passing of the buck and easy passing the blame /responsibility
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 7, 2023 17:46:50 GMT
Scholes later said: “Parting with Paul was really difficult because he came into a difficult job, made a number of good, positive changes, was an absolute gent and delight to work with and when he left every single person wished him well. “Ultimately rightly or wrongly we thought Gary Rowett was going to give us a better chance than Paul Lambert at that point in time - but it was done with a heavy heart by the whole board.” Loads will disagree , but I think this was a crucial turning point , we know now that Lambert wanted to bring in Dwight Gayle , who despite being rubbish now , would have been a decent shout at the time. Lambert was making SLOW progress stamping out a lot of unprofessional behaviour and ridding himself of piss taking players he thought were unfit and didn't give a toss. He tightened up the defence and improved energy levels , but we didn't score enough goals and were relegated. It's easy to say that means PL is a numpty , get rid But his strike force consisted of an unfit druggie ' where is the beer/drugs/girls/party ' berahino And ' my child is ill and i need to get back to my wife and kid in madrid / oops I see, to have accidentally on purpose flew to the balearic isles and am shacked up shagging a drop dead gorgeous babe , who is nothing to do with my wife , whilst being payed loads of money by PSG/stoke ' jesse And the hardworking , but inexplicably totally forgot how to play football / couldn't hit a barn door from ten paces , Diouf What a motley crew, how on earth do you get goals from that lot ? We didn't get enough goals and PL trying to seriously tighten up a defence , conceding 4 and 5 , just made it worse in some ways But honestly , what a shit hand of strikers . if PL could have got in a jermain defoe ( brilliant ) or dwight gayle ( decent at the time ) , I think he was half way there to improving things in some ways . Loads of people will disagree , but he was never given a proper chance . He wasn't given serious money either , unlike other stoke managers who failed. On a separate issue , how the powers that be, can bring in PL and not a decent striker at the same time , beggars believe . Every one in the ground knew that berahino/jesse/diouf weren't going to be banging in the goals , how with prem survival at stake , anyone could not realise we need a striker as well as a manager is bizarre . I suspect what did for PL , is he didn't what a lot of fanfare and management by committee , he wanted simplicity and honesty, players taking responsibility. Bit unfortunate then that those above him, and a fair few of his players , wanted multi layers of complexity , easy passing of the buck and easy passing the blame /responsibility Lambert contributed to the mess though. He ostracised Afellay. He steadfastly refused to use Ireland despite him looking lively in the games before he was appointed. He brought back a knackered Fletcher and Johnson and a patently unfit Charlie Adam, whose contributions were to get sent off against Everton in a crucial game and then miss a pen and shuffle at snail’s pace towards the rebound. |
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Post by stokemark on Jan 7, 2023 20:10:45 GMT
Lambert was another great example of how the board were constantly hoodwinked and still are by managers who talk a good game but are (were) shit
If Stoke spent as much time analysing a managers strengths and weaknesses rather than soaking up their bullshit promises we would be in a far better place than we are now
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Post by a on Jan 7, 2023 23:44:01 GMT
We were prepared to pay £3m-a-year to QSF - then settled on a candidate who would have been grateful for any job and any salary above a crate of Irn Bru www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-what-happened-transfer-8001727To replace Hughes, Stoke hoped to bring in Quique Sanchez Flores from Espanyol and were confident enough that a deal had been agreed that a video complete was jaunty Spanish music was prepared for his unveiling. Instead he was seemingly spooked by a clause that would slash a proposed £60k-a-week contract if the club was relegated. What an atrociously short sighted defeatist attitude from the club. Almost saying “we’re going down so you’ll have to take a pay cut” Wonder how much in lost revenue etc that decision has cost Coates? £100m? £200m? More?? Absurd |
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Post by malisastokie on Jan 8, 2023 0:17:22 GMT
Ryan’s comments around were accurate, however he also commented on the structure of the football club.
The structure in part has caused poor recruiting by being supportive of at 3 of the last 5 managers and ballooning the squad with either poor to average players who were not suitable different managers preferred playing structure.
He is wanting to start a career in management/ coaching and from his comments around structures he does not seem to be tied to the past and wanting complete and utter control.
That attitude stands him in good steed for the future.
The structure he spoke about does not allow John Coates to be as hands on , which is half the problem.
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