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Post by Jimm on Jan 2, 2023 12:08:13 GMT
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 2, 2023 12:10:35 GMT
I often see footballers getting slated on social media - be it for drink, drugs, women, gambling or in this case getting bankrupt quite possibly to do with a multitude of those things listed.
I often wonder out of all of those dishing out the criticism, how many would go down the same path if they were afforded such luxuries and trappings? I dare say a fair percentage would and i'd hold my own hand up here and say i'd definitely go down the wrong path to some degree. I can only imagine how hard it is to stay on the straight and narrow having been in a very insular Academy system from the age of 6/7 to getting tens of thousands of pounds a week from the age of 19/20.
The Jude Bellingham's and James Milner's of this world are very rare and it is to their ultimate credit that they stay on track as they do (and hopefully in Bellingham's case carries on doing...). The families behind them righfully get a lot of praise but ultimately it's the kids that have to make the right decisions. It's tough.
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Post by felonious on Jan 2, 2023 12:47:59 GMT
..... and of course no long term harm done to him in the first 15 years of his life..... When did I say that? There are plenty of example though of people who have equally bad family background (conjecture as I can find no actual evidence of his mother's neglect) and less natural talent/ability than Pennant but go on to lead responsible lives. He was given every chance and as a Premier footballer would have had a lot more help and support than most people get but in the end every club he joined lost patience with him. Jenas growing up on the same estate and living there until older had no priveleged background but you are right could have had a supportive family, again conjecture but again leads to the question nature or nurture. I never said that you said that I'm merely trying to point out to you that he may be a very troubled individual because of those early years, it's almost irrelevant that he's a very good footballer and has earned money. But as you say it's conjecture upon speculation upon conjecture. There's a few good posts below your worth a read.
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Post by felonious on Jan 2, 2023 12:58:20 GMT
Part of this fabulous day out Two talented, hard working wingers, way to go
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Jan 2, 2023 13:12:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2023 13:12:37 GMT
For me it’s the complete waste of a life that was given a golden opportunity to thrive with the riches of a top level footballer. For every muppet like Pennant there’s 1000s of young footballers who would love that opportunity. No sympathy but such a shame. It would be an interesting case study for young footballers to compare him and Jenas, two boys of the same age with very similar backgrounds, fathers both semi professional footballers, both grew up on the same poor council estate in Nottingham and played together for the same boys team (Clifton All Whites). Both had outstanding ability and were picked up by local football teams with Pennant joining County and Jenas Forest. Both excelled at youth level and moved to the Premier at an early age, Jenas with Newcastle but the more eye catching one Pennant to Arsenal before he had made an appearance at County as the first million pound youth player transfer. Neither really fulfilled their early promise but Jenas had a steady career and has now found a career as a pundit whereas Pennant as we know completely wasted his talents and money Polar opposite personalities which is going to have the biggest impact ahead of their near identical backgrounds. Jenas strikes me as quite conservative and orderly. So it’s not surprise that his life is very well put together.
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Jan 2, 2023 13:23:32 GMT
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jan 2, 2023 13:23:32 GMT
Coming soon to a poor ITV4 celebrity programme no doubt Or I'm a celebrity get me out of here. He'll be eating a pigs vagina at some point this year I reckon.
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Jan 2, 2023 14:17:58 GMT
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Post by hardcastle on Jan 2, 2023 14:17:58 GMT
Top player. Shame l (and maybe many others ?) always associate him with that damn stupid foul he gave away vs Everton which cost us a much needed win rather than, say, that super tackle and through ball he played to Kenwyn for the third in the Semi against Bolton.
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Jan 3, 2023 23:18:51 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 3, 2023 23:18:51 GMT
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Post by Goonie on Jan 4, 2023 9:14:46 GMT
Interesting comparison, thank you. Jenas is a clever lad. The question for me being interested in psychology is why did they turn out so differently - was it genes, their life experiences or the way they reacted to their experiences. It's a perfect nature/nurture study. In the book "Freakanomics" they cite an interesting case of twin boys born to a poor family in the east of America. With multiple kids prior and running out of names the father, surely a gambling man, calls one Winner and the other Loser 30 years later Winner is a petty criminal, serving several stints in gaol, while 'Lou' is a captain in the local police department The problem with professional athletes they are driven by ego, self-interest and desire. When the body starts to fail the ego still thinks it can have what it wants, when it wants it despite the reality Pennant is in a long line of gifted athletes (Shilton, Henry, Sansom) come to mind who failed to temper their egos and went bankrupt. It's a shame but not life threatening As my nan said, if you haven't got your health you've got nothing As Timothy Leary said, the universe is an intelligence test, it's just another lesson in what's important
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 5, 2023 0:24:02 GMT
Didn't pennant have a terrible upbringing, his mum being a smackhead and couldn't even get him ready for school, no dad on the scene Not making excuses but this kind of upbringing often leads to mistakes in adulthood Could be, I have no idea on their family background but you would think moving away from Nottingham to the Arsenal youth team at 15 he should have had a very good education from them about choices and temptations and what to do with the money he would potentially earn. Couldn't read when he arrived at Arsenal apparently
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 5, 2023 0:25:43 GMT
A talented player that could easily have been even better. Forgot we signed him from Real Zaragoza and that he initially came on loan, and that we loaned him to Wolves. Remember him being one of our main threats in an injury weakened side in the FA Cup Final and that he was targeted in sequence by different Man City players, given free licence to do so by Atkinson. Another player in the category of more appearances and goals for Stoke than any other team. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jermaine_PennantFucking warrior that day. Really our only slim chance of making something happen and he battled right to the end while getting lumps kicked out of him by Mancini's mob. He could barely walk by the final whistle. I'll try to remember him for that.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 5, 2023 14:43:18 GMT
Could be, I have no idea on their family background but you would think moving away from Nottingham to the Arsenal youth team at 15 he should have had a very good education from them about choices and temptations and what to do with the money he would potentially earn. Couldn't read when he arrived at Arsenal apparently No surprise. He's going to be a footballer he won't need to read he'll be earning millions. A bit of an exaggeration but as teacher I have had parents say similar to me. Perhaps in the end parental influence is the biggest factor but that is very unfair on people who have succeeded in life despite not having supportive parents keeping them in line.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 5, 2023 14:52:31 GMT
Couldn't read when he arrived at Arsenal apparently No surprise. He's going to be a footballer he won't need to read he'll be earning millions. A bit of an exaggeration but as teacher I have had parents say similar to me. Perhaps in the end parental influence is the biggest factor but that is very unfair on people who have succeeded in life despite not having supportive parents keeping them in line. I found it surprising. No one at the age of 14 in this country shouldn't be able to read imo. It's crazy.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 5, 2023 17:09:49 GMT
No surprise. He's going to be a footballer he won't need to read he'll be earning millions. A bit of an exaggeration but as teacher I have had parents say similar to me. Perhaps in the end parental influence is the biggest factor but that is very unfair on people who have succeeded in life despite not having supportive parents keeping them in line. I found it surprising. No one at the age of 14 in this country shouldn't be able to read imo. It's crazy. I agree and find it difficult to believe anyone who attends school regularly would leave primary school unable to read or write to some level. However it does depend whether that level makes a person literate. When I said no surprise I was referring to the parents who have no expectations for their child's education and the number who seem to think their children will get by in life without having made a decent effort at their education.
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Post by kaney78 on Jan 8, 2023 1:18:52 GMT
Didn't pennant have a terrible upbringing, his mum being a smackhead and couldn't even get him ready for school, no dad on the scene Not making excuses but this kind of upbringing often leads to mistakes in adulthood his dad was/is some sort of gangster I think
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Post by stokeranger on Jan 8, 2023 21:03:43 GMT
Didn't pennant have a terrible upbringing, his mum being a smackhead and couldn't even get him ready for school, no dad on the scene Not making excuses but this kind of upbringing often leads to mistakes in adulthood his dad was/is some sort of gangster I think He is just a dick, if he was a bricklayer, he would of be a dick, if he was a bin man, he would of been a dick, if he was a lawyer, he would of been a dick. Some people are just born to be dicks….
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jan 8, 2023 23:21:39 GMT
his dad was/is some sort of gangster I think He is just a dick, if he was a bricklayer, he would of be a dick, if he was a bin man, he would of been a dick, if he was a lawyer, he would of been a dick. Some people are just born to be dicks…. How do you know he's a 'dick' as you put it?
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Post by skip on Jan 9, 2023 0:36:36 GMT
No surprise. He's going to be a footballer he won't need to read he'll be earning millions. A bit of an exaggeration but as teacher I have had parents say similar to me. Perhaps in the end parental influence is the biggest factor but that is very unfair on people who have succeeded in life despite not having supportive parents keeping them in line. I found it surprising. No one at the age of 14 in this country shouldn't be able to read imo. It's crazy. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that Pennant has undiagnosed ADHD or something similar. You don't just forget a luxury car at a foreign airport. But you might if you have a condition that is masked by huge wealth and celebrity.
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Post by scfcrmagic on Jan 9, 2023 1:04:26 GMT
I often see footballers getting slated on social media - be it for drink, drugs, women, gambling or in this case getting bankrupt quite possibly to do with a multitude of those things listed. I often wonder out of all of those dishing out the criticism, how many would go down the same path if they were afforded such luxuries and trappings? I dare say a fair percentage would and i'd hold my own hand up here and say i'd definitely go down the wrong path to some degree. I can only imagine how hard it is to stay on the straight and narrow having been in a very insular Academy system from the age of 6/7 to getting tens of thousands of pounds a week from the age of 19/20. The Jude Bellingham's and James Milner's of this world are very rare and it is to their ultimate credit that they stay on track as they do (and hopefully in Bellingham's case carries on doing...). The families behind them righfully get a lot of praise but ultimately it's the kids that have to make the right decisions. It's tough.
I agree with you, some players have families behind them that keep them very grounded, Peter Crouch for example and as long as they are in touch regularly with family they stand a good chance of staying more grounded. The problem arise usually when the young players are moved away from family and the football clubs try to take over. These young lads are usually pretty naive and paid fairly big money ….they make new friends …get afternoons off and tend to hang around with other young single players As the majority of folk are at work . They’re then start gambling , playing snooker etc and trying to fit in with the rest of the lads. Everyone wants to be your friend, girls will be trying to be the next new wag ….so it’s easy to get led down the wrong path .. . The football club prefer them not to and get a degree in their spare time as it may distract from football, which is all the club care about. Really the young players in all teams should be encouraged by the clubs to do something about what happens when they retire from football, as most of them will not earn massive wages , top flight players will but not lower league players. Plus they have to deal with being treated like a superstar one day, then forgotten pretty quickly when it’s game over. This doesn’t happen to all players I know, but it does happen to quite a lot, and it’s harder for some than others to deal with it. So I’d say cut pennant a bit of slack, and remember as I do he did have one of the best songs. “I want curly hair too”
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2023 9:32:34 GMT
I often see footballers getting slated on social media - be it for drink, drugs, women, gambling or in this case getting bankrupt quite possibly to do with a multitude of those things listed.
I often wonder out of all of those dishing out the criticism, how many would go down the same path if they were afforded such luxuries and trappings? I dare say a fair percentage would and i'd hold my own hand up here and say i'd definitely go down the wrong path to some degree. I can only imagine how hard it is to stay on the straight and narrow having been in a very insular Academy system from the age of 6/7 to getting tens of thousands of pounds a week from the age of 19/20.
The Jude Bellingham's and James Milner's of this world are very rare and it is to their ultimate credit that they stay on track as they do (and hopefully in Bellingham's case carries on doing...). The families behind them righfully get a lot of praise but ultimately it's the kids that have to make the right decisions. It's tough.
Spot on mate. I'd never have a pop at people with personalities like he's obviously got. If I'd have got the riches that he had at such a young age, I definitely wouldn't be typing this now.
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Jan 9, 2023 12:39:33 GMT
I often see footballers getting slated on social media - be it for drink, drugs, women, gambling or in this case getting bankrupt quite possibly to do with a multitude of those things listed. I often wonder out of all of those dishing out the criticism, how many would go down the same path if they were afforded such luxuries and trappings? I dare say a fair percentage would and i'd hold my own hand up here and say i'd definitely go down the wrong path to some degree. I can only imagine how hard it is to stay on the straight and narrow having been in a very insular Academy system from the age of 6/7 to getting tens of thousands of pounds a week from the age of 19/20. The Jude Bellingham's and James Milner's of this world are very rare and it is to their ultimate credit that they stay on track as they do (and hopefully in Bellingham's case carries on doing...). The families behind them righfully get a lot of praise but ultimately it's the kids that have to make the right decisions. It's tough.
I agree with you, some players have families behind them that keep them very grounded, Peter Crouch for example and as long as they are in touch regularly with family they stand a good chance of staying more grounded. The problem arise usually when the young players are moved away from family and the football clubs try to take over. These young lads are usually pretty naive and paid fairly big money ….they make new friends …get afternoons off and tend to hang around with other young single players As the majority of folk are at work . They’re then start gambling , playing snooker etc and trying to fit in with the rest of the lads. Everyone wants to be your friend, girls will be trying to be the next new wag ….so it’s easy to get led down the wrong path .. . The football club prefer them not to and get a degree in their spare time as it may distract from football, which is all the club care about. Really the young players in all teams should be encouraged by the clubs to do something about what happens when they retire from football, as most of them will not earn massive wages , top flight players will but not lower league players. Plus they have to deal with being treated like a superstar one day, then forgotten pretty quickly when it’s game over. This doesn’t happen to all players I know, but it does happen to quite a lot, and it’s harder for some than others to deal with it. So I’d say cut pennant a bit of slack, and remember as I do he did have one of the best songs. “I want curly hair too” Aside from any other opinions about him, Michael O'Neill was a great example of keeping yourself grounded. He moved away from his parents in NI to play at Newcastle as a teenager, but I think he used his spare time to a) continue his education and b) do some kind of work that would be useful should the heady days of being a pro footballer come to an end. I think I read somewhere that he used to work as an accountant on days off That probably held him in good stead for the administrative side of the game - he'd be an asset to any club/academy as a director with that kind of ethos.
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Post by hoppo96 on Jan 13, 2023 11:40:34 GMT
I read somewhere that between a third-40% of top flight footballers hit financial trouble after retiring.
I think it's a classic spending all your money on stuff, not really planning very well, and then reality hitting very quickly. He wasn't aware of which houses and cars he owned, which without meaning to sound harsh suggests he's not the brighest spark.
There is no excuse not to take education seriously even as a professional footballer. You're one bad tackle away from having to seek another career in your early 20s.
Only a few years back there was a story about a LFC youth player who signed his first big contract, went and brought a car on payments but didn't understand his weekly wage would have tax taken from it. So they had to get the club involved to sort it out.
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Post by greenman on Jan 13, 2023 12:34:02 GMT
A talented player that could easily have been even better. Forgot we signed him from Real Zaragoza and that he initially came on loan, and that we loaned him to Wolves. Remember him being one of our main threats in an injury weakened side in the FA Cup Final and that he was targeted in sequence by different Man City players, given free licence to do so by Atkinson. Another player in the category of more appearances and goals for Stoke than any other team. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jermaine_PennantI think if you watch a re-run of the final, you will see that he dived a lot, was clearly unfit and jumping out of tackles because of it, he shouldn`t have played.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jan 13, 2023 12:39:17 GMT
his dad was/is some sort of gangster I think He is just a dick, if he was a bricklayer, he would of be a dick, if he was a bin man, he would of been a dick, if he was a lawyer, he would of been a dick. Some people are just born to be dicks…. not a fan then ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2023 13:02:57 GMT
I read somewhere that between a third-40% of top flight footballers hit financial trouble after retiring. I think it's a classic spending all your money on stuff, not really planning very well, and then reality hitting very quickly. He wasn't aware of which houses and cars he owned, which without meaning to sound harsh suggests he's not the brighest spark. There is no excuse not to take education seriously even as a professional footballer. You're one bad tackle away from having to seek another career in your early 20s. Only a few years back there was a story about a LFC youth player who signed his first big contract, went and brought a car on payments but didn't understand his weekly wage would have tax taken from it. So they had to get the club involved to sort it out. That’s a crazy figure considering the fortunes even guys nowhere near the top earn. I suppose it’s easy to be critical from our perspectives, but maybe not too dissimilar to winning the lottery at a young age; and there’s plenty of stories of people doing that and ending up broke. You just don’t hear about the ones who plan ahead and love sensibly. Also when you are late teens/early 20s, the concept of being even just young middle age is incomprehensible to you. So these guys get a fortune young, live in the moment and then wake up the next day and they’re in their late 30s and fucked. I can’t imagine that guys like Ian Wright / Vardy / Kitson, who came through non-league whilst working proper jobs, ever run into the same difficulties? I think having some experience of real world finances and struggles has to be one of their greatest educations. For guys like Pennant they only ever knew the fairytale so it’s less surprising when they fuck themselves.
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Post by skip on Jan 13, 2023 13:05:58 GMT
I'm old enough to remember when 5 Star spent their amassed pop fortune on Super Cars and a very big house and now stack shelves in Aldi, or similar.
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Post by Marc01 on Jan 13, 2023 14:41:01 GMT
A talented player that could easily have been even better. Forgot we signed him from Real Zaragoza and that he initially came on loan, and that we loaned him to Wolves. Remember him being one of our main threats in an injury weakened side in the FA Cup Final and that he was targeted in sequence by different Man City players, given free licence to do so by Atkinson. Another player in the category of more appearances and goals for Stoke than any other team. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jermaine_PennantI think if you watch a re-run of the final, you will see that he dived a lot, was clearly unfit and jumping out of tackles because of it, he shouldn`t have played. No desire to ever watch a repeat! 🙂 If Pennant was not at full fitness then it just adds to the tale of woe. All those years to get there, missing key players, players in the team not fit, possibly most expensively assembled opponents at that time and a great referee 🤭
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Post by sportsman on Jan 13, 2023 14:45:48 GMT
I'm old enough to remember when 5 Star spent their amassed pop fortune on Super Cars and a very big house and now stack shelves in Aldi, or similar. Until it rain and shine, and they went over with the slightest touch, all because they couldn't wait another minute
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Post by matelot1996 on Jan 13, 2023 21:25:43 GMT
I genuinely feel desperately sorry for those like Jermaine who have frittered away all their £Millions on Whores ? , Property, Gambling, Drink, Fine Foods, Luxury Holidays and Other Frivolous Material things. Oh wait there, No, I could not give a shit 😂😂😂
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 13, 2023 21:28:01 GMT
I genuinely feel desperately sorry for those like Jermaine who have frittered away all their £Millions on Whores ? , Property, Gambling, Drink, Fine Foods, Luxury Holidays and Other Frivolous Material things. Oh wait there, No, I could not give a shit 😂😂😂 ⬆️
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