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Post by LGH87 on Dec 31, 2022 0:51:25 GMT
Are they happy with where the club is at?
Are they happy with how the fans are feeling?
Are they happy with how the manager and players are performing?
It’s about time the board came out and took some fucking accountability for the fucking shit show of the last six years.
Enough is enough.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 31, 2022 0:53:45 GMT
Do they actually care?
People say they do but I don’t see much caring tbh.
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 31, 2022 0:56:36 GMT
Do they actually care? People say they do but I don’t see much caring tbh. I don’t know if it’s not caring or just plain ignorance. They just think they can keep throwing money at it until somebody gets it right for them. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 31, 2022 0:57:33 GMT
Do they actually care? People say they do but I don’t see much caring tbh. I don’t know if it’s not caring or just plain ignorance. They just think they can keep throwing money at it until somebody gets it right for them. I think it’s laziness/arrogance. |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 31, 2022 0:59:54 GMT
I dont believe thinking is in their vocabulary
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 31, 2022 1:00:08 GMT
They have no clue since jnr got involved, club is a mess
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Post by jhtstokie on Dec 31, 2022 1:02:41 GMT
Unbelievable how detached and uninterested most of the fan base is now from the team/club. All been brewing over the course of 6 abject years right from the top down. But Atleast we’ve got a multi million pound sports bar at the ground now😂
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Post by Block 26 on Dec 31, 2022 1:05:23 GMT
You have to remember that Peter is a fan just like us as well as the owner… he must be hurting just like us watching that shower of shite week in week out. Must be hard for him to see the players wages go out of his bank on a weekly basis after watching the performances even though he is loaded. I do think that it’s about time they came out & tried to reassure the fans a bit though.
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Post by J-Roar on Dec 31, 2022 1:05:52 GMT
They are too busy wanking on about Ricardo's to notice the rest of the club is slowly sinking into the mire.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 31, 2022 1:06:10 GMT
You have to remember that Peter is a fan just like us as well as the owner… he must be hurting just like us watching that shower of shite week in week out. Must be hard for him to see the players wages go out of his bank on a weekly basis after watching the performances even though he is loaded. I do think that it’s about time they came out & tried to reassure the fans a bit though. Don’t buy it sorry…….what’s the fuss? |
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Post by malteser68 on Dec 31, 2022 1:11:07 GMT
Let’s call a spade a spade shall we ? This club has become a toy given to the simpleton son to play with whilst the bright intelligent daughter rakes in the billions and couldn’t give a toss about the club. All’s good for the Coates family as long as they keep Johnny happy with his toy and out of the way of the real business of the family.
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Post by J-Roar on Dec 31, 2022 1:26:45 GMT
Let’s call a spade a spade shall we ? This club has become a toy given to the simpleton son to play with whilst the bright intelligent daughter rakes in the billions and couldn’t give a toss about the club. All’s good for the Coates family as long as they keep Johnny happy with his toy and out of the way of the real business of the family. That's been obvious for a while. His acumen is clearly not wanted at Bet365 HQ. |
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Post by matelot1996 on Dec 31, 2022 1:42:39 GMT
Are they happy with where the club is at? Are they happy with how the fans are feeling? Are they happy with how the manager and players are performing? It’s about time the board came out and took some fucking accountability for the fucking shit show of the last six years. Enough is enough. Do our board actually exist post 2017? Can’t say I’ve heard a tangible public announcement from them since. I think we have actually swapped Managers a couple of times with literally zero communication from them. It is quite remarkable. 😂😂 |
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Post by thevoid on Dec 31, 2022 2:12:32 GMT
Are they happy with where the club is at? Are they happy with how the fans are feeling? Are they happy with how the manager and players are performing? It’s about time the board came out and took some fucking accountability for the fucking shit show of the last six years. Enough is enough. But....free coach travel to Exeter don't forget |
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Post by thevoid on Dec 31, 2022 2:14:10 GMT
Unbelievable how detached and uninterested most of the fan base is now from the team/club. All been brewing over the course of 6 abject years right from the top down. But Atleast we’ve got a multi million pound sports bar at the ground now😂 Again, behind the curve. That should have been upgraded when we were in the Premier League. |
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Post by wuzza on Dec 31, 2022 6:38:54 GMT
The owners are magnificent benefactors of this club who it is to be hoped never lose their commitment to the cause.
They are also dreadful at communicating with the fan base - fair enough they may not fancy the idea but why not employ a CEO or whatever who can and will interact more effectively?
This never ending malaise is worthy of comment from them - they are going to need to say something soon to convince anyone to buy a ticket for next season (despite their great work on prices).
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Post by Boothen on Dec 31, 2022 6:48:38 GMT
Honestly, I think that now Peter Coates is taking less and less of an active role in the day to day running of the club Denise has just said to John, 'here's a few million, go and run the club' in order to keep him out of the way and stop him from interfering with her running of Bet365. And John Coates doesn't know what the fuck he's doing.
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Post by deeside2 on Dec 31, 2022 7:41:36 GMT
It's abundantly clear that JC hasn't got a clue what to do to improve, or at least how to stop
the continuing decline of the club. It seems that he thinks just changing the manager and giving
him X £'s and a completely free hand will miraculously transform us into a promotion chasing/winning team.
We've been having these threads and discussions since we were relegated, and nothing has happened
to indicate we're in any way improving and on the upward curve. We're an absolute shambles and
look as though we're actually getting worse. Our home form is diabolical but we seem stuck in this
seemingly inevitable downward spiral.
Neil just doesn't inspire, or seem to have the ability to turn things around.
Goodness knows where we go from here.
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 31, 2022 7:56:09 GMT
I think it's unfair to say they don't care, because I think it's clear that they do care. I think the issue is that they are clueless in how to run a modern football club and that the way to do it is to throw money at the problem and hope the problem disappears and/or sorts itself out.
I was always mindful of what was coming when they appointed Lambert to save us then Rowett to get us back up, when the FFP belts were tightened.
If you are making those decisions whilst in money, god help you when you aren't in the money (FFP wise).
I'm genuinely worried about the future of the club. Many worry about when we are going to get back up but my worries are more grave than that. We are far more likely to go down than up IMO and my biggest worry of all is their natural manager pool of experienced, British autocrats are ever diminishing, on top of the fact that this way of running a club just isn't working for them.
The future of the game is the young, first team coach that fits into a structure around and above him, something we don't really have, never have had and the owners clearly don't understand that we do need it, or have an idea on how to implement it.
Until they realise that we are on a slow boat to League One and beyond and my fear is that before they really realise it rather than playing at it and asking the manager to do it for them, it will be far too late.
The current manager is a decent performer at this level and I fully expect him to make us competitive when he gets the squad to his liking, even if I personally don't really rate his football thus far.
However, the devil is in the detail. My fears about Michael O'Neill eventually came true in that his early good form here burnt itself out as he became embroiled in the autocratic nature of the managers job here and you could slowly see it taking it's toll on him personally but also in the job and that is something that happened to Mark Hughes also. The others obviously weren't here long enough.
Alex Neil will probably go down the same path, and a lot of the early energy (12-24 months) will be lost.
Football is all about the first team, creating partnerships and processes across the entire club that enable the manager to perform at his absolute maximum, and you have to question just what percentage we're allowing our managers to perform at with the way we run ours.
It just saddens me deeply. They're great people for this area but in football terms they couldn't run a bath.
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Post by Gods on Dec 31, 2022 9:33:18 GMT
People say 'the Board' as though it were 10 executives creating a strategy and implementing a plan.
So far as I can see its basically John Coates.
Peter is no longer involved and Dick Smith handles the contractors if there is any building work. And presumably rolls his eyes at the burgeoning debt.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Dec 31, 2022 10:26:56 GMT
John Coates thinks he’s doing a brilliant job. He’s employed a manager with promotion to the Premier League on his CV, we’re now the most modern club in the world thanks to the employment of a technical director, and have the best stadium in the league after a multi million upgrade.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Dec 31, 2022 10:39:38 GMT
I think the owners are extremely reticent to make public comment after the infamous PC quote of “I can’t see what all the fuss is about”
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Post by swampySCFC on Dec 31, 2022 21:51:11 GMT
I think the owners are extremely reticent to make public comment after the infamous PC quote of “I can’t see what all the fuss is about” I think Peter knew his onions. Not sure John has the acumen as its just been handed to him |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 31, 2022 22:08:54 GMT
I think it's unfair to say they don't care, because I think it's clear that they do care. I think the issue is that they are clueless in how to run a modern football club and that the way to do it is to throw money at the problem and hope the problem disappears and/or sorts itself out. I was always mindful of what was coming when they appointed Lambert to save us then Rowett to get us back up, when the FFP belts were tightened. If you are making those decisions whilst in money, god help you when you aren't in the money (FFP wise). I'm genuinely worried about the future of the club. Many worry about when we are going to get back up but my worries are more grave than that. We are far more likely to go down than up IMO and my biggest worry of all is their natural manager pool of experienced, British autocrats are ever diminishing, on top of the fact that this way of running a club just isn't working for them. The future of the game is the young, first team coach that fits into a structure around and above him, something we don't really have, never have had and the owners clearly don't understand that we do need it, or have an idea on how to implement it. Until they realise that we are on a slow boat to League One and beyond and my fear is that before they really realise it rather than playing at it and asking the manager to do it for them, it will be far too late. The current manager is a decent performer at this level and I fully expect him to make us competitive when he gets the squad to his liking, even if I personally don't really rate his football thus far. However, the devil is in the detail. My fears about Michael O'Neill eventually came true in that his early good form here burnt itself out as he became embroiled in the autocratic nature of the managers job here and you could slowly see it taking it's toll on him personally but also in the job and that is something that happened to Mark Hughes also. The others obviously weren't here long enough. Alex Neil will probably go down the same path, and a lot of the early energy (12-24 months) will be lost. Football is all about the first team, creating partnerships and processes across the entire club that enable the manager to perform at his absolute maximum, and you have to question just what percentage we're allowing our managers to perform at with the way we run ours. It just saddens me deeply. They're great people for this area but in football terms they couldn't run a bath. Great post that is mate and exactly how I feel. |
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Post by march4 on Dec 31, 2022 22:09:35 GMT
They are dyed in the wool supporters just like us lot. They are just as hurt by our current predicament.
Like many of us seniors, Peter will have that horrible feeling that he might never see us at the top table again.
They need to be using every ounce of their influence in both the football and political spheres to see the end of the ridiculous FFP rules.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 1, 2023 9:13:26 GMT
They are dyed in the wool supporters just like us lot. They are just as hurt by our current predicament. Like many of us seniors, Peter will have that horrible feeling that he might never see us at the top table again. They need to be using every ounce of their influence in both the football and political spheres to see the end of the ridiculous FFP rules. That isn’t going to happen though is it march? Your solution is to rage against something we can’t control rather than try anything within our own power. |
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Post by thevoid on Jan 1, 2023 9:17:58 GMT
They are dyed in the wool supporters just like us lot. They are just as hurt by our current predicament. Like many of us seniors, Peter will have that horrible feeling that he might never see us at the top table again. They need to be using every ounce of their influence in both the football and political spheres to see the end of the ridiculous FFP rules. Or they should have ended talk of self sufficiency, sacked Hughes earlier and brought in someone better- and earlier- than Paul Lambert. Then maybe we wouldn't be in this omnishambles |
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Post by dadofsam on Jan 1, 2023 10:21:15 GMT
Young master Coates should be putting in some leg-work going round to other clubs, seeing how they run things and bringing the best ideas back to Stoke.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 1, 2023 10:39:44 GMT
They are dyed in the wool supporters just like us lot. They are just as hurt by our current predicament. Like many of us seniors, Peter will have that horrible feeling that he might never see us at the top table again. They need to be using every ounce of their influence in both the football and political spheres to see the end of the ridiculous FFP rules. Or they should have ended talk of self sufficiency, sacked Hughes earlier and brought in someone better- and earlier- than Paul Lambert. Then maybe we wouldn't be in this omnishambles The last paragraph is 100% spot on and said do at the time the moment self sufficiency was uttered by the weasel we were in the spiral , its just not a realistic goal in the premier league for any other than the very elite and even they struggle , it was a over confident stating of our position and a vast over estimation of our transfer capability |
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Post by hoppo96 on Jan 1, 2023 10:58:58 GMT
I think they do care but as billionaires they're too stubborn to recognise they can't run it like it's 2008 anymore. They don't want to get new people in or change the club structure. It's either success their way or the alternative which is basically what we are seeing now.
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