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Post by fca47 on Dec 17, 2022 22:23:56 GMT
We are a fairly poor side, but looking at most of the teams above us, it's amazing that a succession of our managers couldn't get us anywhere near the top six . We've seen all these sides and I wouldn't rate more than three of them and strangely neither of the top two based on their games against us
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Post by dutchstokie on Dec 17, 2022 22:27:13 GMT
We are a fairly poor side, but looking at most of the teams above us, it's amazing that a succession of our managers couldn't get us anywhere near the top six . We've seen all these sides and I wouldn't rate more than three of them and strangely neither of the top two based on their games against us Which begs the question- what do we need to change to get us challenging for a play off spot ?……. And don’t say ‘everything’ ! 😁 |
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 17, 2022 22:40:31 GMT
We are a fairly poor side, but looking at most of the teams above us, it's amazing that a succession of our managers couldn't get us anywhere near the top six . We've seen all these sides and I wouldn't rate more than three of them and strangely neither of the top two based on their games against us Which begs the question- what do we need to change to get us challenging for a play off spot ?……. And don’t say ‘everything’ ! 😁 A goalkeeper. |
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on Dec 17, 2022 22:46:07 GMT
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Post by Jimm on Dec 17, 2022 22:48:47 GMT
If we were decent at home, we'd 100% be sitting snugly in the top 6
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Post by shakermaker on Dec 17, 2022 22:59:23 GMT
This Championship is even more abject than last season which I didn’t think was possible. If Neil gets his transfers right next month, there’s everything to play for.
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Post by andystokey on Dec 18, 2022 8:14:30 GMT
This Championship is even more abject than last season which I didn’t think was possible. If Neil gets his transfers right next month, there’s everything to play for. I do wonder if two years of Covid and FFP have completely fucked this league. Other than a handful of players relegated from the PL there is no quality anywhere. |
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 18, 2022 8:20:21 GMT
This Championship is even more abject than last season which I didn’t think was possible. If Neil gets his transfers right next month, there’s everything to play for. I do wonder if two years of Covid and FFP have completely fucked this league. Other than a handful of players relegated from the PL there is no quality anywhere. I said this in the summer. Lots of clubs have been turning to League One and Two for their transfers in light of the bigger post COVID disparity between the PL and the Championship, meaning clubs can't afford to readily take PL players as much as they used to outside of the youngsters on loan. It's not rocket science as to what effect that will have on the quality of the league is it? |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 18, 2022 8:26:15 GMT
There’s one standout team in Burnley for me and the rest are much of a muchness.It’s as competitive as it’s always been and that’s why Sunderland,Ipswich,Sheff Wed,Bolton and to a lesser extent Derby find themselves in League One.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2022 8:27:40 GMT
5 points separates 17th to 6th. All to play for if we can get our act together. Putting in a run of good results is key but it seems to be something beyond us under any of the recent managers.
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Post by andystokey on Dec 18, 2022 8:39:03 GMT
There’s one standout team in Burnley for me and the rest are much of a muchness.It’s as competitive as it’s always been and that’s why Sunderland,Ipswich,Sheff Wed,Bolton and to a lesser extent Derby find themselves in League One. Remember where AN came from? look higher up the table |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 18, 2022 8:40:55 GMT
There’s one standout team in Burnley for me and the rest are much of a muchness.It’s as competitive as it’s always been and that’s why Sunderland,Ipswich,Sheff Wed,Bolton and to a lesser extent Derby find themselves in League One. Remember where AN came from? look higher up the table Yes very true,I meant that’s why they spent so long in league one but thanks for reminding me😊👍 |
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Post by andystokey on Dec 18, 2022 8:43:07 GMT
Remember where AN came from? look higher up the table Yes very true,I meant that’s why they spent so long in league one but thanks for reminding me😊👍 Sunday morning 😊 |
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Post by a on Dec 18, 2022 8:52:59 GMT
5 points separates 17th to 6th. All to play for if we can get our act together. Putting in a run of good results is key but it seems to be something beyond us under any of the recent managers. Stoke and Good run don’t appear to be good bedfellows at present you’re right. We get a win and people, optimistically, look at our playoff chances. It happens every season right up until it’s mathematically impossible. Can’t fault the positivity as it would be grim if we were all as pessimistic as me 😂 |
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Post by Northy on Dec 18, 2022 9:35:05 GMT
We are a fairly poor side, but looking at most of the teams above us, it's amazing that a succession of our managers couldn't get us anywhere near the top six . We've seen all these sides and I wouldn't rate more than three of them and strangely neither of the top two based on their games against us Which begs the question- what do we need to change to get us challenging for a play off spot ?……. And don’t say ‘everything’ ! 😁 A functioning midfield with a horrible bastard that can tackle in there |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 18, 2022 9:36:53 GMT
If we were decent at home, we'd 100% be sitting snugly in the top 6 We are 7th in the away table and in the bottom 3 in the home table. The manager needs to work out why that is and sort it out. My worry is that if the other managers work it out before we do, they may alter their tactics at home and start to push us down the away table.  |
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 18, 2022 9:37:30 GMT
It doesn’t matter that the gap to the playoffs is ‘only’ 5pts at the moment, or that a bunch of clubs are clustered above us with not many points separating them. What matters is that every season, give or take, you need broadly 75pts to make the top 6. That means that if we’re still harbouring thoughts of the playoffs, we need 46 points from our remaining 23 games. That’s an average of 2pts per game, or to put it another way, automatic promotion form for the rest of the season just to sneak the playoffs.
We don’t need to just ‘put a run together’, we need a sustained run of champion-like form for half a season.
Top 10 will be a bloody good finish this season given where we are.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 18, 2022 9:40:26 GMT
Which begs the question- what do we need to change to get us challenging for a play off spot ?……. And don’t say ‘everything’ ! 😁 A functioning midfield with a horrible bastard that can tackle in there This. If we have a good Jan I think we could push into the playoffs. It’ll be interesting to see if Harry stays. I’d love Pearson if we can get him on loan. The midfield is costing us at the moment. I thought Bonham did well yesterday but we need a new GK. |
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Post by march4 on Dec 18, 2022 9:43:04 GMT
Last couple of seasons, we were fine until December and then fell away badly.
Let’s hope this season we do it the other way round.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 18, 2022 9:44:15 GMT
It doesn’t matter that the gap to the playoffs is ‘only’ 5pts at the moment, or that a bunch of clubs are clustered above us with not many points separating them. What matters is that every season, give or take, you need broadly 75pts to make the top 6. That means that if we’re still harbouring thoughts of the playoffs, we need 46 points from our remaining 23 games. That’s an average of 2pts per game, or to put it another way, automatic promotion form for the rest of the season just to sneak the playoffs. We don’t need to just ‘put a run together’, we need a sustained run of champion-like form for half a season. Top 10 will be a bloody good finish this season given where we are. That’s the same for everyone though and not everyone is going to go on that sort of run. Would be interested to see the points from this stage of the last few seasons as I imagine this year it’s a lot lower than usual. Not that I hold out much hope of us going on a brilliant run, but if we can keep ticking over only losing 1 in 5 or so then we at least have a shot. For a side that’s crap (I said we were last week) we’re nowhere near a relegation scrap and with reinforcements in January it’s not out of the question entirely in my opinion. |
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Post by march4 on Dec 18, 2022 9:49:32 GMT
It doesn’t matter that the gap to the playoffs is ‘only’ 5pts at the moment, or that a bunch of clubs are clustered above us with not many points separating them. What matters is that every season, give or take, you need broadly 75pts to make the top 6. That means that if we’re still harbouring thoughts of the playoffs, we need 46 points from our remaining 23 games. That’s an average of 2pts per game, or to put it another way, automatic promotion form for the rest of the season just to sneak the playoffs. We don’t need to just ‘put a run together’, we need a sustained run of champion-like form for half a season. Top 10 will be a bloody good finish this season given where we are. That’s the same for everyone though and not everyone is going to go on that sort of run. Would be interested to see the points from this stage of the last few seasons as I imagine this year it’s a lot lower than usual. Not that I hold out much hope of us going on a brilliant run, but if we can keep ticking over only losing 1 in 5 or so then we at least have a shot. For a side that’s crap (I said we were last week) we’re nowhere near a relegation scrap and with reinforcements in January it’s not out of the question entirely in my opinion. Need to improve home form, mate. Then we can dream. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 18, 2022 10:04:22 GMT
That’s the same for everyone though and not everyone is going to go on that sort of run. Would be interested to see the points from this stage of the last few seasons as I imagine this year it’s a lot lower than usual. Not that I hold out much hope of us going on a brilliant run, but if we can keep ticking over only losing 1 in 5 or so then we at least have a shot. For a side that’s crap (I said we were last week) we’re nowhere near a relegation scrap and with reinforcements in January it’s not out of the question entirely in my opinion. Need to improve home form, mate. Then we can dream. 100%. I’m surprised they haven’t tried to engage more with the fans over this. Make it the 12th man Bearpit again. Not as it’s the fans’ fault, it’s on the players not performing but if the home form is improved, and it doesn’t have to be perfect, the belief and support grows. Next home game v Burnley with, possibly, a shot at getting in/around the play offs if we beat Rotherham. It could be a turning point. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 18, 2022 10:09:50 GMT
This Championship is even more abject than last season which I didn’t think was possible. If Neil gets his transfers right next month, there’s everything to play for. I do wonder if two years of Covid and FFP have completely fucked this league. Other than a handful of players relegated from the PL there is no quality anywhere. It’s always been shit. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 18, 2022 10:36:15 GMT
It doesn’t matter that the gap to the playoffs is ‘only’ 5pts at the moment, or that a bunch of clubs are clustered above us with not many points separating them. What matters is that every season, give or take, you need broadly 75pts to make the top 6. That means that if we’re still harbouring thoughts of the playoffs, we need 46 points from our remaining 23 games. That’s an average of 2pts per game, or to put it another way, automatic promotion form for the rest of the season just to sneak the playoffs. We don’t need to just ‘put a run together’, we need a sustained run of champion-like form for half a season. Top 10 will be a bloody good finish this season given where we are. But even QPR in 6th need 41 which is just short of 2 a game so everyone is more or less the same bar Burnley so it is up to us to get more points than the others |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 18, 2022 11:08:05 GMT
Every other fan of every other club must think the same.
Its whether we have the acumen and application to push on, thats the issue.
We have got to fix our home form otherwise we are dead in the water.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 18, 2022 11:12:50 GMT
There’s one standout team in Burnley for me and the rest are much of a muchness.It’s as competitive as it’s always been and that’s why Sunderland,Ipswich,Sheff Wed,Bolton and to a lesser extent Derby find themselves in League One. Well Bolton find themselves in League 1 because they were promoted from League 2 😂 |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 18, 2022 11:14:44 GMT
There’s one standout team in Burnley for me and the rest are much of a muchness.It’s as competitive as it’s always been and that’s why Sunderland,Ipswich,Sheff Wed,Bolton and to a lesser extent Derby find themselves in League One. Well Bolton find themselves in League 1 because they were promoted from League 2 😂 Yes another example of how far a club who spent so long in the Prem can fall |
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 18, 2022 11:48:44 GMT
If we were decent at home, we'd 100% be sitting snugly in the top 6 I tend to be of the opinion that the home form could be down to the the hostile atmosphere the home crowd generate and aim at the HOME team,get behind the lads the team at times seem scared to attempt things in case they fail,away from home they play with more freedom. |
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Post by musik on Dec 18, 2022 12:24:46 GMT
I do wonder if two years of Covid and FFP have completely fucked this league. Other than a handful of players relegated from the PL there is no quality anywhere. It’s always been shit. 🤣 |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 18, 2022 12:36:43 GMT
Burnley if they go up, will come straight back down.
So imagine if we managed to go up through the play offs,we could beat Derbys lowest pts. total.
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