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Post by LGH87 on Dec 16, 2022 9:16:43 GMT
I've started this thread in the knowledge that it may descend in to a slanging match but I'm hoping we may be able to have a sensible discussion about this.
I'm genuinely interested in how long we can keep going like we are before the owners are seriously questioned. Nothing is improving, we appear to be making the same mistake again, allowing a bang average manager to bring in his own technical director (this is so backwards it's beyond belied imho).
Allowing MON the summer, blowing a fair chunk of the budget on Gayle (other clubs in the league turned down the chance to sign him because they couldn't afford it) and then sacking him after 5 games, has led us in to the mess we have now, I do think AN would sell/release at least half of the squad today if he had the chance but I don't hold much hope on him bringing in much better tbh.
The board do back their manager's, that is for sure but sometimes, backing them with the finances available isn't enough. Especially in the modern era, it's not 2008 anymore. You only have to look at what Tony Bloom has done at Brighton and Union SG, he is lightyears ahead of our owners in terms of thinking. Ironically they've both made their money from the gambling industry, albeit from opposite sides.
How many more wasted seasons, botched transfer windows and inevitably managers can we go through before the owners have to come under serious scrutiny?
for me personally, it's this season. If we end up in a relegation battle, or another limp dick 15th place finish, then things need to change and they need to change in the summer. It's clear to see we are going absolutely nowhere under the current model, with relegation a far more likely proposition than promotion.
Having all the riches in the world & being local just isn't enough anymore clearly. They delivered premier league football and all that came after yes but a lot of that was down to TP and then subsequently Hughes (for 2.5 years, then the boards dilly dallying and ludicrous decision to appoint Lambert, brought that all crashing down).
The last six years has sapped the life out of the club & the fanbase and ultimately there's been one constant through all of this and that's the owners. Scholes has gone, Cartwright has gone, Rowett, Jones, MON have all gone.......and nothing's changed.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 16, 2022 9:24:24 GMT
Questioned by who though?
The way the club has been run has been questioned extensively on here for years, with good cause. It doesn’t amount to a hill of beans, does it?
They own the club and will until they decide they don’t want to anymore.
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 16, 2022 9:29:59 GMT
Questioned by who though? The way the club has been run has been questioned extensively on here for years, with good cause. It doesn’t amount to a hill of beans, does it? They own the club and will until they decide they don’t want to anymore. Maybe questioned was a bit vague, like you say it has been questioned on here for years tbf. Perhaps what I meant, is when will there be a vocal showing at matches, when will there be articles written by fans or ex players in the media etc. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 16, 2022 9:33:40 GMT
Questioned by who though? The way the club has been run has been questioned extensively on here for years, with good cause. It doesn’t amount to a hill of beans, does it? They own the club and will until they decide they don’t want to anymore. Maybe questioned was a bit vague, like you say it has been questioned on here for years tbf. Perhaps what I meant, is when will there be a vocal showing at matches, when will there be articles written by fans or ex players in the media etc. Ex players are generally conservative and paid up members of the ‘careful what you wish for’ brigade, so I wouldn’t expect to see anything from them. Doubt we’ll see anything inflammatory in the local media either as they know which side their bread’s buttered. The question about what we’ll hear from the stands is interesting. If we do find ourselves in a bona fide relegation battle come spring I’d say it was a possibility we’ll hear some criticism, but there’s still plenty of the ‘forever grateful’ sentiment kicking around. |
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 16, 2022 9:43:21 GMT
Maybe questioned was a bit vague, like you say it has been questioned on here for years tbf. Perhaps what I meant, is when will there be a vocal showing at matches, when will there be articles written by fans or ex players in the media etc. Ex players are generally conservative and paid up members of the ‘careful what you wish for’ brigade, so I wouldn’t expect to see anything from them. Doubt we’ll see anything inflammatory in the local media either as they know which side their bread’s buttered. The question about what we’ll hear from the stands is interesting. If we do find ourselves in a bona fide relegation battle come spring I’d say it was a possibility we’ll hear some criticism, but there’s still plenty of the ‘forever grateful’ sentiment kicking around. Maybe someone from the Athletic, or someone like Percy could stir the pot and write an article. "Forever grateful" makes me laugh, yes we had a good few years but the club, with the finances available to it should never have been relegated from the Premier League. Football is cyclical but we had the potential to cement ourselves at the top tier for a long long time, instead we fucked it up royally and managed to unravel it within 18 months. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 16, 2022 9:47:33 GMT
The board is fine as long as you don’t stray on to the everything else side
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Post by bloodtypered on Dec 16, 2022 9:48:14 GMT
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Post by march4 on Dec 16, 2022 9:49:16 GMT
Not more of this ridiculous witch hunt, please.
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 16, 2022 9:53:13 GMT
Ex players are generally conservative and paid up members of the ‘careful what you wish for’ brigade, so I wouldn’t expect to see anything from them. Doubt we’ll see anything inflammatory in the local media either as they know which side their bread’s buttered. The question about what we’ll hear from the stands is interesting. If we do find ourselves in a bona fide relegation battle come spring I’d say it was a possibility we’ll hear some criticism, but there’s still plenty of the ‘forever grateful’ sentiment kicking around. Maybe someone from the Athletic, or someone like Percy could stir the pot and write an article. "Forever grateful" makes me laugh, yes we had a good few years but the club, with the finances available to it should never have been relegated from the Premier League. Football is cyclical but we had the potential to cement ourselves at the top tier for a long long time, instead we fucked it up royally and managed to unravel it within 18 months. Exactly this. It was classic Stoke snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. There should’ve been a long term legacy from our stay in the Premier League and all we’ve ended up with is the memories, some ground improvement/capacity and the academy status. As much as I hate them, I fully expect Bournemouth to kick on now that they have been taken over by Americans and their plans for new ground and training infrastructure. Yes, they are starting from a lower position of foundation, but I just feel they have a vision where the way Stoke is run lacks foresight, inspiration and creativity which funnily enough is exactly what we see from the players as well. |
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Post by fca47 on Dec 16, 2022 10:04:43 GMT
Threads like this are laughable. Whether we like it or not the only way of questioning the board is to stop supporting Stoke. Whatever the causes of the current malaise , it will only be solved when the current board find an answer or get fed up in trying to find one. Luckily for us they have not got fed up in trying, yet. We all have to wish they find an answer soon, as the home form must be the worst I can remember for many years.
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Post by wilcopotter on Dec 16, 2022 10:07:23 GMT
Ex players are generally conservative and paid up members of the ‘careful what you wish for’ brigade, so I wouldn’t expect to see anything from them. Doubt we’ll see anything inflammatory in the local media either as they know which side their bread’s buttered. The question about what we’ll hear from the stands is interesting. If we do find ourselves in a bona fide relegation battle come spring I’d say it was a possibility we’ll hear some criticism, but there’s still plenty of the ‘forever grateful’ sentiment kicking around. Maybe someone from the Athletic, or someone like Percy could stir the pot and write an article. "Forever grateful" makes me laugh, yes we had a good few years but the club, with the finances available to it should never have been relegated from the Premier League. Football is cyclical but we had the potential to cement ourselves at the top tier for a long long time, instead we fucked it up royally and managed to unravel it within 18 months. ” stir the pot”, Interesting choice of words, think we have enough of that already. As Toxic says, it doesn’t even produce a “hill of beans”. Board will do what they want whilst they own the club. Supporters Council surely must raise fans concerns, they know how we feel they get the drift from this board I would imagine. Thing is, AN (though not particularly endearing) needs time to try and sort this out. Any I don’t want to “like” him he’s a football manager not a PR manager, I just want him to win football matches, don’t think stirring the pot too much at this time will help. |
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 16, 2022 10:09:08 GMT
Not more of this ridiculous witch hunt, please. They do need to seriously get with the times though? |
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 16, 2022 10:13:11 GMT
Maybe someone from the Athletic, or someone like Percy could stir the pot and write an article. "Forever grateful" makes me laugh, yes we had a good few years but the club, with the finances available to it should never have been relegated from the Premier League. Football is cyclical but we had the potential to cement ourselves at the top tier for a long long time, instead we fucked it up royally and managed to unravel it within 18 months. Exactly this. It was classic Stoke snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. There should’ve been a long term legacy from our stay in the Premier League and all we’ve ended up with is the memories, some ground improvement/capacity and the academy status. As much as I hate them, I fully expect Bournemouth to kick on now that they have been taken over by Americans and their plans for new ground and training infrastructure. Yes, they are starting from a lower position of foundation, but I just feel they have a vision where the way Stoke is run lacks foresight, inspiration and creativity which funnily enough is exactly what we see from the players as well. Bang on this mate. Bournemouth, Brighton etc are lightyears ahead of us. Embarrassing when you look at where they both were when we got promoted. |
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 16, 2022 10:14:53 GMT
Not more of this ridiculous witch hunt, please. So because of a few good years, the board can't be questioned, they can't be held accountable when nearly all of the current plight is down to them? They aren't beyond criticism and they need to get with the times ASAP else league one looms large. |
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 16, 2022 10:34:13 GMT
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Dec 16, 2022 11:29:12 GMT
Ex players are generally conservative and paid up members of the ‘careful what you wish for’ brigade, so I wouldn’t expect to see anything from them. Doubt we’ll see anything inflammatory in the local media either as they know which side their bread’s buttered. The question about what we’ll hear from the stands is interesting. If we do find ourselves in a bona fide relegation battle come spring I’d say it was a possibility we’ll hear some criticism, but there’s still plenty of the ‘forever grateful’ sentiment kicking around. Maybe someone from the Athletic, or someone like Percy could stir the pot and write an article. "Forever grateful" makes me laugh, yes we had a good few years but the club, with the finances available to it should never have been relegated from the Premier League. Football is cyclical but we had the potential to cement ourselves at the top tier for a long long time, instead we fucked it up royally and managed to unravel it within 18 months. I am sure Pejic has come mighty close sometimes on radio Stoke about quite a lot of things going wrong at the club. He always seems to be on the verge of saying things without coming out fully. More than his jobs worth i suppose. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 16, 2022 11:37:33 GMT
They should have already looked at the structure of the club, if not after relegation you'd have thought that the performance of Rowett and Jones would have changed something but they just seem way to reliant on the managers they bring in. See MON, he had free reign to bring in whoever he wanted in nearly any department it seems nuts that they thought that this was a good idea.
The penny does need to drop sooner rather than later but by the looks of it so far with AN it seems to be some way off.
Putting aside how well the Pulis years went in terms of on the pitch results the only thing I really see in their favour at the moment is their money but at some point that won't be enough.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Dec 16, 2022 11:53:12 GMT
Forgive me for banging the same drum I’ve been banging on here lately but Stoke City is like Stoke On Trent, stuck in the past and sees nothing wrong with it. I’m surprised the scoreboard isn’t in black and white.
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Post by biddulphchav on Dec 16, 2022 11:55:03 GMT
Exactly this. It was classic Stoke snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. There should’ve been a long term legacy from our stay in the Premier League and all we’ve ended up with is the memories, some ground improvement/capacity and the academy status. As much as I hate them, I fully expect Bournemouth to kick on now that they have been taken over by Americans and their plans for new ground and training infrastructure. Yes, they are starting from a lower position of foundation, but I just feel they have a vision where the way Stoke is run lacks foresight, inspiration and creativity which funnily enough is exactly what we see from the players as well. Bang on this mate. Bournemouth, Brighton etc are lightyears ahead of us. Embarrassing when you look at where they both were when we got promoted. Brighton haven’t been in the Prem for as long as we were. They could quite easily have a bad season and be relegated, and once in the champ it’s tough to get out. Not sure they are light years ahead of us to be fair. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Dec 16, 2022 12:18:47 GMT
Threads like this are laughable. Whether we like it or not the only way of questioning the board is to stop supporting Stoke. Whatever the causes of the current malaise , it will only be solved when the current board find an answer or get fed up in trying to find one. Luckily for us they have not got fed up in trying, yet. We all have to wish they find an answer soon, as the home form must be the worst I can remember for many years. I’m glad you think we are lucky. I’d hate to think what your not so lucky is |
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 16, 2022 12:37:35 GMT
Bang on this mate. Bournemouth, Brighton etc are lightyears ahead of us. Embarrassing when you look at where they both were when we got promoted. Brighton haven’t been in the Prem for as long as we were. They could quite easily have a bad season and be relegated, and once in the champ it’s tough to get out. Not sure they are light years ahead of us to be fair. Then I suggest you go and do some reading about Tony Bloom, Union SG etc. It's fascinating and just shows how far behind the modern game our board actually is. |
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 16, 2022 12:39:13 GMT
They should have already looked at the structure of the club, if not after relegation you'd have thought that the performance of Rowett and Jones would have changed something but they just seem way to reliant on the managers they bring in. See MON, he had free reign to bring in whoever he wanted in nearly any department it seems nuts that they thought that this was a good idea. The penny does need to drop sooner rather than later but by the looks of it so far with AN it seems to be some way off. Putting aside how well the Pulis years went in terms of on the pitch results the only thing I really see in their favour at the moment is their money but at some point that won't be enough. But even with their money, they misused it / mistrusted it so badly with Rowett & Jones, we still can't spend it 3/4 years down the line. It's fucking pointless having untold riches if the people in charge of it are fucking clueless. |
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Post by femark on Dec 16, 2022 12:44:32 GMT
They're questioned regularly but they don't have to listen!
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 16, 2022 12:45:38 GMT
League One will be the first time they are questioned en masse. Whilst they are hoodwinking people with stadium buy outs and free bus rides there will be enough thick, forever grateful people knocking about to see them home. A couple of seasons in League One, the biggest spenders in the division with Kenny Jackett in the dugout, taking us to glorious 12th place finishes and it might turn.
For me, the Coates Out chants are long overdue. They need to be told in no uncertain terms that a fancy new Sports Bar alongside consecutive bottom half championship finishes just doesn't cut the effing mustard.
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Post by marylandstoke on Dec 16, 2022 12:46:41 GMT
Maybe someone from the Athletic, or someone like Percy could stir the pot and write an article. "Forever grateful" makes me laugh, yes we had a good few years but the club, with the finances available to it should never have been relegated from the Premier League. Football is cyclical but we had the potential to cement ourselves at the top tier for a long long time, instead we fucked it up royally and managed to unravel it within 18 months. I am sure Pejic has come mighty close sometimes on radio Stoke about quite a lot of things going wrong at the club. He always seems to be on the verge of saying things without coming out fully. More than his jobs worth i suppose. Did seem to be the case at the weekend from what some on here said. Think Nigel’s job at this point is to kick him under the table when he feels he wants to let loose. |
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 16, 2022 12:57:29 GMT
League One will be the first time they are questioned en masse. Whilst they are hoodwinking people with stadium buy outs and free bus rides there will be enough thick, forever grateful people knocking about to see them home. A couple of seasons in League One, the biggest spenders in the division with Kenny Jackett in the dugout, taking us to glorious 12th place finishes and it might turn. For me, the Coates Out chants are long overdue. They need to be told in no uncertain terms that a fancy new Sports Bar alongside consecutive bottom half championship finishes just doesn't cut the effing mustard.
I'd rather they changed, than left but with each passing season and the same mistakes being made over and over it does look like they are not capable of the former. |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 16, 2022 13:16:18 GMT
People don't get angry because I think it's generally acknowledged they have good intentions, they just don't really know what to do
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Post by werrington on Dec 16, 2022 13:23:27 GMT
Questioned by who though? The way the club has been run has been questioned extensively on here for years, with good cause. It doesn’t amount to a hill of beans, does it? They own the club and will until they decide they don’t want to anymore. Maybe questioned was a bit vague, like you say it has been questioned on here for years tbf. Perhaps what I meant, is when will there be a vocal showing at matches, when will there be articles written by fans or ex players in the media etc. Fuck me this is a new low for this message board Vocal showing?…..seriously? Yeah let’s hound the fuckers out in this current world climate as it’s been a dream for many many years for those Saudi,Chinese and USA consortiums to own Stoke City Football Club They’ve just written off £120m of THEIR OWN MONEY to keep Stoke City viable and have financially backed every manager who’s come through the door, season ticket prices as of 16 years ago and spent a fortune on the stadium, training facilities and £5m alone on Ricardos bar Let’s hope they don’t read this shit and think “fuck it were off” as you’ll finally get your dream new owners I’m often on the verge of leaving this place and threads like this will one day tip the scales It’s utterly fucking ridiculous |
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Post by jebbstuart on Dec 16, 2022 13:25:41 GMT
They own the club it's up to them what they do with it. You can moan and groan but in essence they may choose to ignore you and keep doing what they are doing at present.
To be honest can't see too many bidders for the club at the moment.
Perhaps when Perter departs we may see a change at present can't see it changing.
If people stop going may alter things but when you get in downward spiral the hardest thing to do is bring it to a halt. At present we have not reached the bottom.
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 16, 2022 13:31:07 GMT
Maybe questioned was a bit vague, like you say it has been questioned on here for years tbf. Perhaps what I meant, is when will there be a vocal showing at matches, when will there be articles written by fans or ex players in the media etc. Fuck me this is a new low for this message board Vocal showing?…..seriously? Yeah let’s hound the fuckers out in this current world climate as it’s been a dream for many many years for those Saudi,Chinese and USA consortiums to own Stoke City Football Club They’ve just written off £120m of THEIR OWN MONEY to keep Stoke City viable and have financially backed every manager who’s come through the door, season ticket prices as of 16 years ago and spent a fortune on the stadium, training facilities and £5m alone on Ricardos bar Let’s hope they don’t read this shit and think “fuck it were off” as you’ll finally get your dream new owners I’m often on the verge of leaving this place and threads like this will one day tip the scales It’s utterly fucking ridiculous How is it utterly fucking ridiculous when the club is sitting 19th in the championship and we've won 5 home games in the last 12 months, they're getting off lightly considering how desperately shite the last six years have been. If you look a few posts up, I've actually said I want them to change. I never once said hound them out either. Things need to change though, surely you can't be so blind as to think they're doing a good job? |
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