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Post by felonious on Dec 12, 2022 12:20:31 GMT
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Post by knype on Dec 12, 2022 12:23:38 GMT
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Post by felonious on Dec 12, 2022 12:27:39 GMT
Not really it's Brexit innit |
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Post by raythesailor on Dec 12, 2022 13:01:42 GMT
Possibly the tip of a large Iceberg.
Quite a few crooks will squirm out of it.
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Post by felonious on Dec 12, 2022 13:07:37 GMT
Possibly the tip of a large Iceberg. Quite a few crooks will squirm out of it. Is there a baddie these politicians can pin it on, say someone like Qatar  |
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 12, 2022 13:07:57 GMT
Not worrisome at all
We’re not in the shit show
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Post by wannabee on Dec 12, 2022 13:47:54 GMT
Not worrisome at all We’re not in the shit show Explain to me the difference between this and the Russian influence in Scottish and Brexit Referendums and "Donations" of £Millions to Tory Party and MPs including Boris The Official Russia Report confirmed the above and two of the conclusions were a) Russian Influence was now commonplace in UK Politics and b) There was no great effort to investigate... I wonder why 🤫 Perhaps the EU may take their investigations to there conclusion, we shall see |
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 12, 2022 13:51:56 GMT
Wherever there's power, you'll find corruption in every walk of life. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, and here in the UK we're possibly one of the most corrupt countries around.
OS.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 12, 2022 14:01:17 GMT
Can't wait to see EU fanatics attempt to brush this one under the carpet.
Disgusting outfit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2022 14:22:07 GMT
Wherever there's power, you'll find corruption in every walk of life. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, and here in the UK we're possibly one of the most corrupt countries around. OS. Agree with the first part but what makes you think the UK is one of the most corrupt countries? I'm not excusing UK corruption but, globally, it's top 20 for least corruption. |
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Post by dexter97 on Dec 12, 2022 14:57:23 GMT
Wherever there's power, you'll find corruption in every walk of life. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, and here in the UK we're possibly one of the most corrupt countries around. OS. Agree with the first part but what makes you think the UK is one of the most corrupt countries? I'm not excusing UK corruption but, globally, it's top 20 for least corruption. It would depend on the scope and definition of corruption. If we're talking simply in old-fashioned terms of cash in brown envelopes, then I'm sure you're right. Most businesses I've worked for and with have fairly strong policies covering all that stuff. With regard to politics though, I doubt we'd score quite so well. |
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Post by felonious on Dec 12, 2022 16:48:49 GMT
Can't wait to see EU fanatics attempt to brush this one under the carpet. Disgusting outfit. Well from above it seems that there's acceptance that they're cut from the same cloth as the UK politicians who regularly get called to task on various threads which is commendable  |
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 12, 2022 16:56:28 GMT
Wherever there's power, you'll find corruption in every walk of life. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, and here in the UK we're possibly one of the most corrupt countries around. OS. I think we have real corruption problems but from what mates have said we're actually relatively not-filthy. I'm hearing this from friends who lived in the UK plus places like Brazil, China, India, Malawi, Indonesia. Good luck to the prosecutors here, I love it when powerful people actually see consequences. |
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Dec 12, 2022 17:01:56 GMT
I see the Belgium police waited for their team to get home from Qatar first.
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Post by wannabee on Dec 12, 2022 17:05:40 GMT
Agree with the first part but what makes you think the UK is one of the most corrupt countries? I'm not excusing UK corruption but, globally, it's top 20 for least corruption. It would depend on the scope and definition of corruption. If we're talking simply in old-fashioned terms of cash in brown envelopes, then I'm sure you're right. Most businesses I've worked for and with have fairly strong policies covering all that stuff. With regard to politics though, I doubt we'd score quite so well. Absolutely correct and very much depends on how the data is manipulated presented This recent Report Ranked UK 5th for provision of Public Services, which of course is ridiculous www.civilserviceworld.com/professions/article/uk-human-centred-public-service-index-oxford-insights-global-league-tableThis Article explains how Government manipulates rankings to an extent that World Bank withdrew its rankings for said reasons blogs.lse.ac.uk/internationaldevelopment/2021/10/05/manipulation-of-the-world-banks-ease-of-doing-business-index/You would need to be completely out of touch not to be aware of current and very recent investigations into Conservative MPs and Peers as well as at the heart of Government Whether that "Performance " results in a World Ranking of 20th I personally find it unacceptable |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 12, 2022 17:49:46 GMT
Can't wait to see EU fanatics attempt to brush this one under the carpet. Disgusting outfit. Why would anybody do that? No different to all the undue influence and corruption that goes on in this country that equally correctly gets called out. Guess our own outfit is just as disgusting. |
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Post by metalhead on Dec 12, 2022 22:13:03 GMT
It's interesting that this doesn't seem to be getting a huge amount of attention in the MSM. Is this individual actually that important, in the grand scheme of things? Can't say I'm that knowledgeable about the EU to be honest. Interesting that von der Leyen wants to establish an ethics committee. Nothing better than an in-house ethics committee, they're always the most effective at rooting out corruption (see FIFA, the police, Universities  ) |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 12, 2022 22:14:51 GMT
Lefties on the back foot
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Post by 4372 on Dec 12, 2022 22:38:12 GMT
Thread's like an old fashioned ring tone.
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Post by gawa on Dec 12, 2022 22:44:52 GMT
Can't say I'm one bit surprised to find it involves Qatar who seem to regularly partake in bribery these days.
Will be interesting to see what details arise from this too. Nice to see a government aside from our own being accused of corruption for once.
Not sure why the eu is attributed by some as a left thing on here. Jeremy Corbyn is a big euro sceptic and very far left. Does that mean Nato and any sort of alliance between countries is a "left" thing.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Dec 12, 2022 22:51:42 GMT
I suspect that the motivation for most MEPs to become MEPs is to get on the EU gravy train.
I am surprised that anyone is surprised that some of them are corrupt.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 12, 2022 23:02:59 GMT
Can't say I'm one bit surprised to find it involves Qatar who seem to regularly partake in bribery these days. Will be interesting to see what details arise from this too. Nice to see a government aside from our own being accused of corruption for once. Not sure why the eu is attributed by some as a left thing on here. Jeremy Corbyn is a big euro sceptic and very far left. Does that mean Nato and any sort of alliance between countries is a "left" thing. The "new left" (ie wealthy, white, metropolitan, elitest, race-baiting, green obsessed, pro lockdown) is very different to what you'd have called "the left" in say the 60s, 70s and 80s. |
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Post by metalhead on Dec 12, 2022 23:17:23 GMT
Can't say I'm one bit surprised to find it involves Qatar who seem to regularly partake in bribery these days. Will be interesting to see what details arise from this too. Nice to see a government aside from our own being accused of corruption for once. Not sure why the eu is attributed by some as a left thing on here. Jeremy Corbyn is a big euro sceptic and very far left. Does that mean Nato and any sort of alliance between countries is a "left" thing. Is there anything to suggest that Qatar are more prone to bribery than other countries? If you saw the FIFA documentary, bribery was rife for donkeys years and it involved 'nice Western governments' like the French and ultimately, when dickhead Dyke was involved, us. Nicolas Sarkozy is even named as being ripe for a backhander. He's since been convicted of corruption on things unrelated to FIFA. The Remain campaign was endorsed, strongly, by the left-wing media outlets... The Guardian, The Independent etc. I think this is why people believe that it's a left vs right issue. In reality, old school lefties are Euro-sceptics. The Labour party were the principle opposition to us joining in the first place. |
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Post by wannabee on Dec 13, 2022 0:10:03 GMT
It's interesting that this doesn't seem to be getting a huge amount of attention in the MSM. Is this individual actually that important, in the grand scheme of things? Can't say I'm that knowledgeable about the EU to be honest. Interesting that von der Leyen wants to establish an ethics committee. Nothing better than an in-house ethics committee, they're always the most effective at rooting out corruption (see FIFA, the police, Universities ) Oh I do think it it is getting coverage in MSM but like the case of Lady Moan and her £29 Million when Police Investigations are being undertaken the MSM have to be careful what they report Regarding you second question as to the Lady in question being investigated, her position is one of 14 Vice Presidents of the European Parliament Her specific role is the same as the Deputy Speaker of the House of Commons who is currently Dame Eleanor Laing MP who fills in for Lindsay Hoyle when he has to go for a comfort break and no I'd never heard of her either To enhance your understanding Van der Leyen is calling for an Ethics Committee to be created for the EU PARLIAMENT the EU COMMISSION which already has such a Committee It's a bit like Boris's Ethics Advisor resigning as he took no notice of him anyway, Liz didn't last long enough to appoint one and Rishi hasn't got around to it yet. But it's as you say only window dressing anyway as they can only investigate what the PM tells them to investigate |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 13, 2022 0:40:51 GMT
Does it really matter if there is EU corruption, as they are all the same anyway. Doesn't matter if it is von der Leyen, Sunak, DeSantis or Starmer, they are exactly the same so this must mean they are all corrupt anyway.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 13, 2022 7:09:25 GMT
Can't say I'm one bit surprised to find it involves Qatar who seem to regularly partake in bribery these days. Will be interesting to see what details arise from this too. Nice to see a government aside from our own being accused of corruption for once. Not sure why the eu is attributed by some as a left thing on here. Jeremy Corbyn is a big euro sceptic and very far left. Does that mean Nato and any sort of alliance between countries is a "left" thing. The "new left" (ie wealthy, white, metropolitan, elitest, race-baiting, green obsessed, pro lockdown) is very different to what you'd have called "the left" in say the 60s, 70s and 80s. With the exception of green obsessed that sounds awfully like our current government which I wouldn't call left, "new left" or any semblance of it! As gawa said, this is nothing to do with the usual, universally accepted definitions of left or right politics, although I understand why certain posters need to think like that. It's cognitive dissonance essentially. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 13, 2022 7:24:28 GMT
The "new left" (ie wealthy, white, metropolitan, elitest, race-baiting, green obsessed, pro lockdown) is very different to what you'd have called "the left" in say the 60s, 70s and 80s. With the exception of green obsessed that sounds awfully like our current government which I wouldn't call left, "new left" or any semblance of it! As gawa said, this is nothing to do with the usual, universally accepted definitions of left or right politics, although I understand why certain posters need to think like that. It's cognitive dissonance essentially. Re your first statement, you're absolutely right and that's a perfect illustration of how unconservative this current government is. Starmer and Sunak are more or less the same which is why this great nation is in such a tragic, critical situation. Good luck if you think life will improve under Starmer. Most of the above have never experienced economic hardship but I'm sure when they start losing their jobs then the mindset will change. The Islington set are used to their luxurious lifestyle after all. |
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Post by metalhead on Dec 13, 2022 7:31:43 GMT
It's interesting that this doesn't seem to be getting a huge amount of attention in the MSM. Is this individual actually that important, in the grand scheme of things? Can't say I'm that knowledgeable about the EU to be honest. Interesting that von der Leyen wants to establish an ethics committee. Nothing better than an in-house ethics committee, they're always the most effective at rooting out corruption (see FIFA, the police, Universities ) Oh I do think it it is getting coverage in MSM but like the case of Lady Moan and her £29 Million when Police Investigations are being undertaken the MSM have to be careful what they report Regarding you second question as to the Lady in question being investigated, her position is one of 14 Vice Presidents of the European Parliament Her specific role is the same as the Deputy Speaker of the House of Commons who is currently Dame Eleanor Laing MP who fills in for Lindsay Hoyle when he has to go for a comfort break and no I'd never heard of her either To enhance your understanding Van der Leyen is calling for an Ethics Committee to be created for the EU PARLIAMENT the EU COMMISSION which already has such a Committee It's a bit like Boris's Ethics Advisor resigning as he took no notice of him anyway, Liz didn't last long enough to appoint one and Rishi hasn't got around to it yet. But it's as you say only window dressing anyway as they can only investigate what the PM tells them to investigate It's seeing a lot less coverage than the lockdown parties and other major events over the past 12 months. I was curious if that was due to her importance or lack thereof. I wouldn't expect wall to wall coverage of some noddy nobody MPs misdeeds either. Ethics committees, especially those brought in by organizations, usually find themselves bound by red tape and endless degrees of bureaucracy. I keep going back to FIFA, as they're a huge organization who run themselves like something out of a horror film. From that documentary, those interviewed from the ethics committee talk about being unable to achieve much. Documents were sealed and transparency was rarely forthcoming. In the case of Michael Garcia, he wrote a detailed report about the corruption, which was subsequently rewritten into a 49 page summary by someone in the marketing team. The final report shared little resemblance with the original. Whitewash. |
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Post by metalhead on Dec 13, 2022 7:32:41 GMT
With the exception of green obsessed that sounds awfully like our current government which I wouldn't call left, "new left" or any semblance of it! As gawa said, this is nothing to do with the usual, universally accepted definitions of left or right politics, although I understand why certain posters need to think like that. It's cognitive dissonance essentially. Re your first statement, you're absolutely right and that's a perfect illustration of how unconservative this current government is. Starmer and Sunak are more or less the same which is why this great nation is in such a tragic, critical situation. Good luck if you think life will improve under Starmer. Most of the above have never experienced economic hardship but I'm sure when they start losing their jobs then the mindset will change. The Islington set are used to their luxurious lifestyle after all. Why would changing to Labour increase job loss? |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 13, 2022 7:36:40 GMT
Re your first statement, you're absolutely right and that's a perfect illustration of how unconservative this current government is. Starmer and Sunak are more or less the same which is why this great nation is in such a tragic, critical situation. Good luck if you think life will improve under Starmer. Most of the above have never experienced economic hardship but I'm sure when they start losing their jobs then the mindset will change. The Islington set are used to their luxurious lifestyle after all. Why would changing to Labour increase job loss? The job losses will come regardless of whether its Labour or Conservative. My point is, Labour will not stop the rot...but we need another Labour government so people can see this. There is this absurd idea doing the rounds that life will be better under Labour. People have short memories. |
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