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Post by hotterpotter on Dec 12, 2022 16:35:31 GMT
If Joey Barton wants him to go, I want him to stay. Petty, me? Absolutely!
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Post by scfcwebby on Dec 12, 2022 16:38:07 GMT
If Joey Barton wants him to go, I want him to stay. Petty, me? Absolutely! My post was about the result stats not Barton's opinion
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Post by metalhead on Dec 12, 2022 16:40:21 GMT
If Joey Barton wants him to go, he's probably correct. Despite his spicy background, he's one of the smarter blokes in the game.
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 12, 2022 16:42:19 GMT
Quarter Finals (at best) for England is where we've always been as a nation. Look at our results throughout history- even in the days of Matthews and Finney, and the 60s (other than you-know-when), we never pulled up any trees on the international stage. We've simply never been as consistently successful as France, Germany or Italy, all of whom have larger populations than us, and until recent years have also been tactically ahead of us, as well as more attuned to things like nutrition and player development. It was only 20-25 years ago when Arsene Wenger came over and changed the way British players thought about nutrition, for example. They'd known that stuff on the continent for years, but we were still stuck in the past with players swilling ale throughout the week and thinking a chip butty and a fag was a good pre-match meal etc. I'd be willing to bet that youngsters in these other countries were playing small sided games from an early age as well, on better pitches, while up until recent years, our kids were straight in playing eleven a side on a full-sized pitch, learning nothing but how to hoof the ball as far as you fucking could and then chase after it. The good news is that we're catching up now, but it's only over the last few years where we've probably been able to reap the benefit of much better youth development and training facilities. Since 2018 we've reached a semi, a final and a quarter (and if we hadn't have drawn the best team in the world this time, we'd have gone further I'm sure.) We can quibble about the odd substitution we'd have done differently, but overall, Southgate has done a good job and is learning. He was too defensive in Euro 2020 and changed that during this tournament. We're now one of the best 8 sides in the world, but in knockout football anything can happen. A Quarter Final where we've exited against a top side, and played well in the process, is not a cause to fire people. I often wonder if, in its way, the '66 win may have actually retarded the development of English football. It fed into a legacy of slight arrogance and entitlement that we always had as the "inventors" of the game.. in the very early days we didn't want anything to do with Johnny Foreigner FIFA and their frivolous World Cups, and then when we did start to join in we thought we'd probably only have to turn up to return home triumphant. '66 was early enough for us to "finally" win it (at home, and with some somewhat favourable conditions) to cement this idea we had of ourselves as world leaders in the game, hence considering ourselves justified favourites for every tournament we entered without actually paying attention to minor details like fitness, diet, tactics and modern coaching ideas (and heaven forbid we might actually learn something from those funny continentals with their long hair and diving. Didn't Spain have something like ten times the number of UEFA-approved coaches as England at one point?). It was only really this century that it started to dawn on us we were not as good as we'd always thought, and began to invest in the coaching and infrastructure necessary to create an elite national team. As you say that's started to happen, and, despite this being our earliest exit of the last 3 tournaments, I think GS maybe did enough in terms of showing he's learned and developed to warrant continuing with the current project. However we need to be seriously grooming a whole cohort of other young English coaches and ex-players in the setup to start to establish some kind of legacy that can be built on over the next few years, tournaments, and generations.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Dec 12, 2022 17:08:55 GMT
He's had three major tournaments, two of which we had arguably the best side in the tournament and failed to win either. In the likes of Brazil, Argentina and France, failure to win a major tournament (let alone failure to make it past the quarter finals) is met with utter disgust, shame, embarrassment and anger - not applause. Yet here in England, a significant proportion of the media and supporters alike want Southgate to remain and think he's done an excellent job. Is that a problem? He's been blessed with one of the most talented England sides in decades. We have depth in just about every position and a team made up of world class players in just about every department (Maguire aside). On paper, we were a better side than France last night. It's no secret that Southgate has his tactical shortcomings and was previously known as the guy no one wanted who got a midtable Middlesboro side relegated from the Premier League in hapless fashion. As such, I think it's only fair to say that he's exceeded expectations managing England and credit where its due, the team under his watch has got us as close to winning something as we've been in many years. On the flip side, many would argue it was his tactical shortcomings that were the reason we were unable to overturn Croatia and an Italy side that only a few months later failed to qualify for a world cup. I hate to replay the old saying but its very much a case of "the first top side we come up against, we lose". Given the group of players at our disposal, it would be a travesty if we couldn't give them a go playing under a world class manager. Southgate has been given enough opportunities, he's certainly surpassed expectations but its time to make way for someone else to try and bring back one of those sacred trophies with this exceptionally talented squad. Keen to hear why people think Southgate deserves a fourth major tournament and a further £10 million as England manager for the next couple of years... He has available a stack of right backs, a set of attacking wide players, a steady CDM and an emerging box to box midfielder, but lacks a top class goalkeeper, reliable centre backs, a top class left back, a game changer like Messi and a midfielder capable of running a game like Modric, Jorginho or Griezmann, who was only in midfield because Kante and Pogba were out. In no sense did we have the best side in the tournament. He has the best win rate of any England manager and the most wins against teams that have won the World Cup - England have never won an away World Cup Final knockout game against a World Cup winner - and he has beaten England's average performance in every tournament he has managed them in. Saturday was a decent performance and far from clear there is anyone else who can do any better. On the world stage, England are a second or third tier football power and Southgate has proved incredibly good at maximising what we have available to us
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Post by str8outtahampton on Dec 12, 2022 17:14:25 GMT
Quarter Finals (at best) for England is where we've always been as a nation. Look at our results throughout history- even in the days of Matthews and Finney, and the 60s (other than you-know-when), we never pulled up any trees on the international stage. We've simply never been as consistently successful as France, Germany or Italy, all of whom have larger populations than us, and until recent years have also been tactically ahead of us, as well as more attuned to things like nutrition and player development. It was only 20-25 years ago when Arsene Wenger came over and changed the way British players thought about nutrition, for example. They'd known that stuff on the continent for years, but we were still stuck in the past with players swilling ale throughout the week and thinking a chip butty and a fag was a good pre-match meal etc. I'd be willing to bet that youngsters in these other countries were playing small sided games from an early age as well, on better pitches, while up until recent years, our kids were straight in playing eleven a side on a full-sized pitch, learning nothing but how to hoof the ball as far as you fucking could and then chase after it. The good news is that we're catching up now, but it's only over the last few years where we've probably been able to reap the benefit of much better youth development and training facilities. Since 2018 we've reached a semi, a final and a quarter (and if we hadn't have drawn the best team in the world this time, we'd have gone further I'm sure.) We can quibble about the odd substitution we'd have done differently, but overall, Southgate has done a good job and is learning. He was too defensive in Euro 2020 and changed that during this tournament. We're now one of the best 8 sides in the world, but in knockout football anything can happen. A Quarter Final where we've exited against a top side, and played well in the process, is not a cause to fire people. Largely agree. As usually happens when it comes to England, the hype takes over - partly because big tournaments engage large numbers of people who otherwise take little interest in the game. Top 8 in the world is really pretty good. The margins at this level are often Rizla paper thin. Games turn on a tiny handful of incidents. Saturday could easily have gone the other way. However, we are being told again that this is an exceptional group of players and next time may be different. That has been the response on numerous occasions for about 50 years. Yes, next time might be different. However, going into this tournament, whilst England were among the favourites, the bookies' price was (I think) around 7-1. That is a long shot. Very long indeed. Put it a different way. That means that the bookies reckoned the chances of the winner being a team other than England were short. Very short indeed. Because at least half a dozen other teams also had a realistic chance. And of course those odds are calculated by people like Denise Coates, who makes around £1m per day predicting the future. I doubt in 2 or 4 years that the odds will be significantly different. Whoever is in charge, England are much less likely not to win than to win.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 12, 2022 17:21:24 GMT
Quarter Finals (at best) for England is where we've always been as a nation. Look at our results throughout history- even in the days of Matthews and Finney, and the 60s (other than you-know-when), we never pulled up any trees on the international stage. We've simply never been as consistently successful as France, Germany or Italy, all of whom have larger populations than us, and until recent years have also been tactically ahead of us, as well as more attuned to things like nutrition and player development. It was only 20-25 years ago when Arsene Wenger came over and changed the way British players thought about nutrition, for example. They'd known that stuff on the continent for years, but we were still stuck in the past with players swilling ale throughout the week and thinking a chip butty and a fag was a good pre-match meal etc. I'd be willing to bet that youngsters in these other countries were playing small sided games from an early age as well, on better pitches, while up until recent years, our kids were straight in playing eleven a side on a full-sized pitch, learning nothing but how to hoof the ball as far as you fucking could and then chase after it. The good news is that we're catching up now, but it's only over the last few years where we've probably been able to reap the benefit of much better youth development and training facilities. Since 2018 we've reached a semi, a final and a quarter (and if we hadn't have drawn the best team in the world this time, we'd have gone further I'm sure.) We can quibble about the odd substitution we'd have done differently, but overall, Southgate has done a good job and is learning. He was too defensive in Euro 2020 and changed that during this tournament. We're now one of the best 8 sides in the world, but in knockout football anything can happen. A Quarter Final where we've exited against a top side, and played well in the process, is not a cause to fire people. France were hardly one of the big nations pre-98 were they? They hadn't even qualified for the two World Cups before that and the French public were pretty much indifferent towards their team before that tournament got going. In fact, other than that golden period they had, Spain are hardly habitual winners/finalists either. Maybe if we'd entered the first three World Cups instead of arrogantly sitting them out, we might have more than one trophy in the cabinet, who knows?
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Dec 12, 2022 17:46:46 GMT
Quarter Finals (at best) for England is where we've always been as a nation. Look at our results throughout history- even in the days of Matthews and Finney, and the 60s (other than you-know-when), we never pulled up any trees on the international stage. We've simply never been as consistently successful as France, Germany or Italy, all of whom have larger populations than us, and until recent years have also been tactically ahead of us, as well as more attuned to things like nutrition and player development. It was only 20-25 years ago when Arsene Wenger came over and changed the way British players thought about nutrition, for example. They'd known that stuff on the continent for years, but we were still stuck in the past with players swilling ale throughout the week and thinking a chip butty and a fag was a good pre-match meal etc. I'd be willing to bet that youngsters in these other countries were playing small sided games from an early age as well, on better pitches, while up until recent years, our kids were straight in playing eleven a side on a full-sized pitch, learning nothing but how to hoof the ball as far as you fucking could and then chase after it. The good news is that we're catching up now, but it's only over the last few years where we've probably been able to reap the benefit of much better youth development and training facilities. Since 2018 we've reached a semi, a final and a quarter (and if we hadn't have drawn the best team in the world this time, we'd have gone further I'm sure.) We can quibble about the odd substitution we'd have done differently, but overall, Southgate has done a good job and is learning. He was too defensive in Euro 2020 and changed that during this tournament. We're now one of the best 8 sides in the world, but in knockout football anything can happen. A Quarter Final where we've exited against a top side, and played well in the process, is not a cause to fire people. Agree. If we had limped out similar to Croatia in 18 or Italy last year I'd have wanted a change. It was still a defeat, but the application was completely different, I'd give him the Euro's.
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 12, 2022 18:12:05 GMT
Quarter Finals (at best) for England is where we've always been as a nation. Look at our results throughout history- even in the days of Matthews and Finney, and the 60s (other than you-know-when), we never pulled up any trees on the international stage. We've simply never been as consistently successful as France, Germany or Italy, all of whom have larger populations than us, and until recent years have also been tactically ahead of us, as well as more attuned to things like nutrition and player development. It was only 20-25 years ago when Arsene Wenger came over and changed the way British players thought about nutrition, for example. They'd known that stuff on the continent for years, but we were still stuck in the past with players swilling ale throughout the week and thinking a chip butty and a fag was a good pre-match meal etc. I'd be willing to bet that youngsters in these other countries were playing small sided games from an early age as well, on better pitches, while up until recent years, our kids were straight in playing eleven a side on a full-sized pitch, learning nothing but how to hoof the ball as far as you fucking could and then chase after it. The good news is that we're catching up now, but it's only over the last few years where we've probably been able to reap the benefit of much better youth development and training facilities. Since 2018 we've reached a semi, a final and a quarter (and if we hadn't have drawn the best team in the world this time, we'd have gone further I'm sure.) We can quibble about the odd substitution we'd have done differently, but overall, Southgate has done a good job and is learning. He was too defensive in Euro 2020 and changed that during this tournament. We're now one of the best 8 sides in the world, but in knockout football anything can happen. A Quarter Final where we've exited against a top side, and played well in the process, is not a cause to fire people. Agree. If we had limped out similar to Croatia in 18 or Italy last year I'd have wanted a change. It was still a defeat, but the application was completely different, I'd give him the Euro's. Pretty much how I felt after the game. Southgate has got us efficiently disposing of most teams at major tournaments. My whole life we've struggled with that. Games like Ukraine, Sweden, Germany, Iran, Wales, eventually Senegal actually felt controlled. He fucked it against Croatia and Italy but not this time IMO. The result was largely decided by the ref as well.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Dec 12, 2022 18:52:57 GMT
Agree. If we had limped out similar to Croatia in 18 or Italy last year I'd have wanted a change. It was still a defeat, but the application was completely different, I'd give him the Euro's. Pretty much how I felt after the game. Southgate has got us efficiently disposing of most teams at major tournaments. My whole life we've struggled with that. Games like Ukraine, Sweden, Germany, Iran, Wales, eventually Senegal actually felt controlled. He fucked it against Croatia and Italy but not this time IMO. The result was largely decided by the ref as well. I always look at Low aswell. Took over Germany in '06, but didn't win until '14.
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Post by emmbrook1956 on Dec 12, 2022 19:03:40 GMT
Yes so many of you MOAN. The performance last night was good. After England conceded we were without a doubt the better team. I was surprised Kane did not go down the centre for his second penalty. With the young team England will only improve.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 12, 2022 19:36:47 GMT
Quarter Finals (at best) for England is where we've always been as a nation. Look at our results throughout history- even in the days of Matthews and Finney, and the 60s (other than you-know-when), we never pulled up any trees on the international stage. We've simply never been as consistently successful as France, Germany or Italy, all of whom have larger populations than us, and until recent years have also been tactically ahead of us, as well as more attuned to things like nutrition and player development. It was only 20-25 years ago when Arsene Wenger came over and changed the way British players thought about nutrition, for example. They'd known that stuff on the continent for years, but we were still stuck in the past with players swilling ale throughout the week and thinking a chip butty and a fag was a good pre-match meal etc. I'd be willing to bet that youngsters in these other countries were playing small sided games from an early age as well, on better pitches, while up until recent years, our kids were straight in playing eleven a side on a full-sized pitch, learning nothing but how to hoof the ball as far as you fucking could and then chase after it. The good news is that we're catching up now, but it's only over the last few years where we've probably been able to reap the benefit of much better youth development and training facilities. Since 2018 we've reached a semi, a final and a quarter (and if we hadn't have drawn the best team in the world this time, we'd have gone further I'm sure.) We can quibble about the odd substitution we'd have done differently, but overall, Southgate has done a good job and is learning. He was too defensive in Euro 2020 and changed that during this tournament. We're now one of the best 8 sides in the world, but in knockout football anything can happen. A Quarter Final where we've exited against a top side, and played well in the process, is not a cause to fire people. This is true, but I think the issue is that in recent years we've invested in a model based on what France are doing, we are starting to see the benefits and producing elite level players. Unlike the past, I think it's reasonable to want to win a trophy. I think France are miles ahead of anyone and no one can beat them, they can only make a mistake or defeat themselves. We played well. The concern is his in- game management. We should have taken off Foden and Henderson at around 65 minutes and probably gone for the kill. If we'd done that we'd have won. No doubt. He doesn't quite have that nous to get us over the line. He's done a great job, I'll be pleased if he stays but if we could get potter in when Chelsea sack him I'd move Southgate into an oversight role of the whole system, we need him there, joining up the academies, with the main center in Burton and the England set up.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 12, 2022 19:46:11 GMT
If Joey Barton wants him to go, he's probably correct. Despite his spicy background, he's one of the smarter blokes in the game. Yeah of course he is 🤣
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Post by potterpaul on Dec 12, 2022 20:05:43 GMT
Is it just Stoke fans who are hell bent on keeping managers up to a point where we hound them out.
Southgate has done a great job but his time is up, let's remember him as a decent coach who did well with a very decent side, instead of waiting for the inevitable failure that sees his demise.
Like others have said this is a very talented England team let's match it with a suitable coach who may just get an extra 2 games out of the next World Cup.
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Post by knype on Dec 12, 2022 20:18:01 GMT
Bye Gareth, more failure from a man who because he is nice is fawned on by the MSM
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Post by metalhead on Dec 12, 2022 20:19:12 GMT
If Joey Barton wants him to go, he's probably correct. Despite his spicy background, he's one of the smarter blokes in the game. Yeah of course he is 🤣 You might not like him, but he is.
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 12, 2022 21:14:34 GMT
Quarter Finals (at best) for England is where we've always been as a nation. Look at our results throughout history- even in the days of Matthews and Finney, and the 60s (other than you-know-when), we never pulled up any trees on the international stage. We've simply never been as consistently successful as France, Germany or Italy, all of whom have larger populations than us, and until recent years have also been tactically ahead of us, as well as more attuned to things like nutrition and player development. It was only 20-25 years ago when Arsene Wenger came over and changed the way British players thought about nutrition, for example. They'd known that stuff on the continent for years, but we were still stuck in the past with players swilling ale throughout the week and thinking a chip butty and a fag was a good pre-match meal etc. I'd be willing to bet that youngsters in these other countries were playing small sided games from an early age as well, on better pitches, while up until recent years, our kids were straight in playing eleven a side on a full-sized pitch, learning nothing but how to hoof the ball as far as you fucking could and then chase after it. The good news is that we're catching up now, but it's only over the last few years where we've probably been able to reap the benefit of much better youth development and training facilities. Since 2018 we've reached a semi, a final and a quarter (and if we hadn't have drawn the best team in the world this time, we'd have gone further I'm sure.) We can quibble about the odd substitution we'd have done differently, but overall, Southgate has done a good job and is learning. He was too defensive in Euro 2020 and changed that during this tournament. We're now one of the best 8 sides in the world, but in knockout football anything can happen. A Quarter Final where we've exited against a top side, and played well in the process, is not a cause to fire people. This is true, but I think the issue is that in recent years we've invested in a model based on what France are doing, we are starting to see the benefits and producing elite level players. Unlike the past, I think it's reasonable to want to win a trophy. I think France are miles ahead of anyone and no one can beat them, they can only make a mistake or defeat themselves. We played well. The concern is his in- game management. We should have taken off Foden and Henderson at around 65 minutes and probably gone for the kill. If we'd done that we'd have won. No doubt. He doesn't quite have that nous to get us over the line. He's done a great job, I'll be pleased if he stays but if we could get potter in when Chelsea sack him I'd move Southgate into an oversight role of the whole system, we need him there, joining up the academies, with the main center in Burton and the England set up. 'We should have taken off Foden and Henderson at around 65 minutes and probably gone for the kill. If we'd done that we'd have won. No doubt.' It's very easy to say that, but no-one knows for sure what would have happened had he done so. I always got the impression that France could have scored at any moment regardless of what we were doing, and the game had a 'one of those nights' vibe about it from very early on, with nothing dropping our way and the ref seemingly determined to help France out as much as he could. The Euro final, I agree- he sat back far too much, but I don't blame him at all for the France defeat. I think his management was good throughout the tournament and I'd certainly give him the next Euros.
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Post by Block 26 on Dec 12, 2022 22:10:36 GMT
Every time we meet an half decent side we’re out & surely this proves it… England looked a decent side in this tournament but the majority of us already knew the outcome before a ball was kicked when we drew France.
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Post by pottersrule on Dec 12, 2022 22:12:07 GMT
He couldn’t have done much more last night, players let themselves down. Can you actually expect to win a WC with Harry Maguire and John Stones as your centre back pairing? Sadly there really aren't any shoehorn replacements for either.Thats not the fault of the manager.
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 13, 2022 14:09:14 GMT
What balance of play? We didn’t create from open play and our best chances were penalties and a corner. We did When?
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Post by lordb on Dec 13, 2022 15:24:05 GMT
When Kane has a near post chance first half, when Bellingham had shot tipped over
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 13, 2022 15:39:27 GMT
He couldn’t have done much more last night, players let themselves down. Can you actually expect to win a WC with Harry Maguire and John Stones as your centre back pairing? Sadly there really aren't any shoehorn replacements for either.Thats not the fault of the manager. Tomori is the obvious one to groom but Southgate has almost completely ignored him so far
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 13, 2022 15:57:40 GMT
Every time we meet an half decent side we’re out & surely this proves it… England looked a decent side in this tournament but the majority of us already knew the outcome before a ball was kicked when we drew France. At the same time Germany have won two games in the last two World Cups (Sweden and Costa Rica), Spain have won three in the last three (Costa Rica, Iran and Australia) and Italy have won one game in the last four World Cups (drawing a veil over who it was against). They've all won the thing in the last twenty years as well so I'm not saying it proves anything but World Cup knockout wins against strong opposition aren't ten a penny for any team.
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 13, 2022 16:00:09 GMT
Portugal look like they've offered a dual job to Mourinho. The FA should get in there quick.
Yes he's a proper toxic fucker but a winner, is probably the most English foreigner you'll find anywhere and I'm sure he'd jump at the chance to follow in his mentor's footsteps.
It will never happen with the stiffs at the FA though...
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Post by wrighter on Dec 13, 2022 16:25:38 GMT
Portugal look like they've offered a dual job to Mourinho. The FA should get in there quick. Yes he's a proper toxic fucker but a winner, is probably the most English foreigner you'll find anywhere and I'm sure he'd jump at the chance to follow in his mentor's footsteps. It will never happen with the stiffs at the FA though... Brian Clough a great example of that
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 13, 2022 16:52:41 GMT
Mourinho would be a horrible regression. Yesterday's man, and divisive.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 13, 2022 16:55:52 GMT
Mourinho would be a horrible regression. Yesterday's man, and divisive. Yep, we have a likeable crop of young players and an array of exciting talent, Mourinho shouldn't be allowed within a million miles of that.
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 13, 2022 17:04:55 GMT
Mourinho would be a horrible regression. Yesterday's man, and divisive. He is at club level but I think International football would suit him. Get players together for a few weeks at a time, create a proper environment without the length of time he normally has to fall out with people. One thing he can do is get a group of players running through brick walls for him in short term bursts, which is pretty much what International football is. In terms of the youngsters, he was banging the drum for Bellingham in the last Euros, saying he should be the first name on the team sheet whilst Southgate was shit scared to pick him. Pointless argument though, the FA wouldn't know a winner if he bit them on the nose. In the unlikely event Southgate goes, they'll go for another yes man.
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Post by scfcwebby on Dec 13, 2022 17:22:19 GMT
Mourinho would be a horrible regression. Yesterday's man, and divisive. He is at club level but I think International football would suit him. Get players together for a few weeks at a time, create a proper environment without the length of time he normally has to fall out with people. One thing he can do is get a group of players running through brick walls for him in short term bursts, which is pretty much what International football is. In terms of the youngsters, he was banging the drum for Bellingham in the last Euros, saying he should be the first name on the team sheet whilst Southgate was shit scared to pick him. Pointless argument though, the FA wouldn't know a winner if he bit them on the nose. In the unlikely event Southgate goes, they'll go for another yes man. I've a horrible feeling that Gerrard will get it if Southgate walks
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Post by lordb on Dec 13, 2022 17:23:29 GMT
He is at club level but I think International football would suit him. Get players together for a few weeks at a time, create a proper environment without the length of time he normally has to fall out with people. One thing he can do is get a group of players running through brick walls for him in short term bursts, which is pretty much what International football is. In terms of the youngsters, he was banging the drum for Bellingham in the last Euros, saying he should be the first name on the team sheet whilst Southgate was shit scared to pick him. Pointless argument though, the FA wouldn't know a winner if he bit them on the nose. In the unlikely event Southgate goes, they'll go for another yes man. I've a horrible feeling that Gerrard will get it if Southgate walks Gerrard and Lampard are reported as ruled out by the FA Tuchel, Rodgers touted
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