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Post by westlandstokie on Dec 11, 2022 5:59:07 GMT
Powell is our best player by a mile! If Powell is our best player it just shows how totally shite the rest are. Powell has the odd moment of quality but to me he usually seems like he can’t be arsed. No…too unreliable for me…too many injuries…get him gone in summer I’m sick to the back teeth of him…and the entire club at present.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 11, 2022 8:37:11 GMT
I started this thread yesterday because I thought everything he tried to do just didn’t come off in his short spell on the pitch. I think a fit and firing Nick Powell is a very good player and he now needs a run of games in his correct position to get the best out of him
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 11, 2022 8:39:20 GMT
I started this thread yesterday because I thought everything he tried to do just didn’t come off in his short spell on the pitch. I think a fit and firing Nick Powell is a very good player and he now needs a run of games in his correct position to get the best out of him Which is the nature of his game isn’t it? He was trying to do things which was more than most of them.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 11, 2022 8:56:52 GMT
He’s 28. Even this season with very little game time he’s got a couple of goals already. Putting the word ‘obviously’ in capitals is very silly. Thinking NP will offer any positive contribution to our admittedly unrealistic ambitions past 2023/24 is very silly. He is almost done at this level. He may eek out a couple more years at Macclesfield after 2024 but that's it. He already has this season.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 11, 2022 8:57:25 GMT
Subjective and baseless aren’t mutually exclusive. The burden of proof isn’t on me, it’s on you as the person claiming he’s malingering. He’s injury-prone over the last couple of season for sure but has still shown his value when he has played on the whole and we don’t have anyone as influential as him. I’m fairly certain he’s on his way in the summer but we need to get him on the pitch as often as possible in his best position between now and then. He’s quite literally the least of our problems. I agree with most of what you say but wonder why you are changing your position regardinng him being injury prone. I seem to remember you last year denying that he was injury prone and listing the number of games he played and missed through injury. Or is my memory playing tricks on me? Then he’d only had one injury-hit year. Now he’s had two.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 11, 2022 8:58:32 GMT
Powell is our best player by a mile! If Powell is our best player it just shows how totally shite the rest are. Powell has the odd moment of quality but to me he usually seems like he can’t be arsed. No…too unreliable for me…too many injuries…get him gone in summer I’m sick to the back teeth of him…and the entire club at present. The can’t be arsed stuff is absolute nonsense and again down to people’s perceptions of skilful players rather than his actual contributions.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 11, 2022 9:51:40 GMT
When Powell is on top of his game he is one of our better players, but sometimes he is really annoying to watch. Yesterday was clearly one of those days where he wasn't motivated, or at least it looked like that!
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Post by lordb on Dec 11, 2022 9:52:57 GMT
It was a disgraceful performance. He didn’t want to be on the pitch and spent most of the time hiding from play. My only defence for him could be that the manager put him in the wrong position as he was rarely in the number 10 spot where he’s excelled previously. He touched the ball loads 😂 just didn’t do anything much with it. Agree He didn't hide at all
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Post by lordb on Dec 11, 2022 9:55:53 GMT
Would start him next week
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 11, 2022 10:04:56 GMT
Would start him next week Agree Brown , Powell , killkenny with Thomson , all start for me as do fox and Laurent and Sterling if any are fit id go Keeper steeling souttar. Wilmot. Fox Brown Kilkenny Thomson Tymon Powell Campbell
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Post by owdestokie2 on Dec 11, 2022 10:53:33 GMT
I started this thread yesterday because I thought everything he tried to do just didn’t come off in his short spell on the pitch. I think a fit and firing Nick Powell is a very good player and he now needs a run of games in his correct position to get the best out of him “He now needs a run of games”. He’s just had another month of injury recuperation time under his belt. I wonder why he didn’t start today?
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Post by toppercorner on Dec 11, 2022 11:08:13 GMT
Always injured, always looks uninterested, good games and moments of genuine skill too few and far apart.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 11, 2022 11:16:21 GMT
Always injured, always looks uninterested, good games and moments of genuine skill too few and far apart. Talk me through ‘looks uninterested’? He always shows for the ball, he always looks to get involved, yesterday there were a couple of times where he stopped opposition breaks by dashing back to make well-timed interceptions. He didn’t influence the game but it wasn’t for lack of trying. Why he was brought on for Baker is beyond me.
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Post by wakeypotter on Dec 11, 2022 11:22:30 GMT
I mean he wasn’t great today but I’m still lost what it was he didn’t do today? He wanted the ball, used it well enough but it didn’t change anything. Which is annoying but happens. I’m really struggling. Yeah he wasn’t great but I don’t get the idea he wasn’t interested. He chased back and made tackles, he played at least one killer pass, he got involved, he just wasn’t especially effective. I missed the last 25mins yesterday so can’t comment on Powell and i know we have been here before mate When he’s good he really does change team but tbf that only happens 1 in 8 games and when he’s injured about 1 in 20 games. He probably is our best player but that’s not hard with the lot he’s playing with. I do see why people think he’s not interested because of his good to bad game ratio. The guy obviously has talent but doesn’t show it enough. Hopefully AN will put a better team together and we get so money for Powell.
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 11, 2022 11:23:27 GMT
I agree with most of what you say but wonder why you are changing your position regardinng him being injury prone. I seem to remember you last year denying that he was injury prone and listing the number of games he played and missed through injury. Or is my memory playing tricks on me? Then he’d only had one injury-hit year. Now he’s had two. I’m now in the same boat. He’s obviously our best player, but he’s also likely our second highest paid. Yet, he’s never bloody fit!
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Post by jhtstokie on Dec 11, 2022 11:24:51 GMT
He wasn’t arsed at all. Even warming up he looked disinterested and half arsed, and that translated onto the pitch. Not sure if it’s just me but something tells me he won’t be around here much longer.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 11, 2022 11:26:27 GMT
Yeah he wasn’t great but I don’t get the idea he wasn’t interested. He chased back and made tackles, he played at least one killer pass, he got involved, he just wasn’t especially effective. I missed the last 25mins yesterday so can’t comment on Powell and i know we have been here before mate When he’s good he really does change team but tbf that only happens 1 in 8 games and when he’s injured about 1 in 20 games. He probably is our best player but that’s not hard with the lot he’s playing with. I do see why people think he’s not interested because of his good to bad game ratio. The guy obviously has talent but doesn’t show it enough. Hopefully AN will put a better team together and we get so money for Powell. It’s nonsense to say it only happens one in every eight games though isn’t it. He’s only started a handful of games this season and already has two goals. He isn’t choosing to be injured.
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Post by toppercorner on Dec 11, 2022 11:26:48 GMT
Always injured, always looks uninterested, good games and moments of genuine skill too few and far apart. Talk me through ‘looks uninterested’? He always shows for the ball, he always looks to get involved, yesterday there were a couple of times where he stopped opposition breaks by dashing back to make well-timed interceptions. He didn’t influence the game but it wasn’t for lack of trying. Why he was brought on for Baker is beyond me. body language. and as i said, any moments where there is great skill, it's literally months inbetween each moment. The last 2 seasons he's been a passenger.
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Post by wakeypotter on Dec 11, 2022 11:29:58 GMT
Then he’d only had one injury-hit year. Now he’s had two. I’m now in the same boat. He’s obviously our best player, but he’s also likely our second highest paid. Yet, he’s never bloody fit! Who do you think earns more than him I’m struggling to think of one
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 11, 2022 11:31:28 GMT
I’m now in the same boat. He’s obviously our best player, but he’s also likely our second highest paid. Yet, he’s never bloody fit! Who do you think earns more than him I’m struggling to think of one Gayle.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 11, 2022 11:33:16 GMT
Talk me through ‘looks uninterested’? He always shows for the ball, he always looks to get involved, yesterday there were a couple of times where he stopped opposition breaks by dashing back to make well-timed interceptions. He didn’t influence the game but it wasn’t for lack of trying. Why he was brought on for Baker is beyond me. body language. and as i said, any moments where there is great skill, it's literally months inbetween each moment. The last 2 seasons he's been a passenger. Oh here we go, body language experts again, we used to have this with Fuller and Nzonzi as well. The last two seasons he’s generally, as ever, been good when he’s played but has had bad luck with injuries.
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Post by wakeypotter on Dec 11, 2022 11:34:25 GMT
I missed the last 25mins yesterday so can’t comment on Powell and i know we have been here before mate When he’s good he really does change team but tbf that only happens 1 in 8 games and when he’s injured about 1 in 20 games. He probably is our best player but that’s not hard with the lot he’s playing with. I do see why people think he’s not interested because of his good to bad game ratio. The guy obviously has talent but doesn’t show it enough. Hopefully AN will put a better team together and we get so money for Powell. It’s nonsense to say it only happens one in every eight games though isn’t it. He’s only started a handful of games this season and already has two goals. He isn’t choosing to be injured. I don’t think it’s nonsense really he has a touch of class but isn’t consistent with that. As a matter of interest do you know how many games he’s been involved in and how many games he’s been instrumental in. Yes he’s scored 2 goals which is great but I’m not one of those who give a goal scorer mom just because they have scored.
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Post by wakeypotter on Dec 11, 2022 11:35:15 GMT
Who do you think earns more than him I’m struggling to think of one Gayle. Just asking is that fact or just your opinion
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 11, 2022 11:39:38 GMT
Just asking is that fact or just your opinion Oh, it’s an assumption. Powell is obviously a “legacy” contract, or whatever they liked to frame it as. He was considered a good earner then, so I expect he is high. However, Gayle came from the Premier League and we didn’t have to pay for him, which makes me think that we a) have given him a huge signing bonus or b) fulfil a very decent portion of his contract.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 11, 2022 11:40:49 GMT
It’s nonsense to say it only happens one in every eight games though isn’t it. He’s only started a handful of games this season and already has two goals. He isn’t choosing to be injured. I don’t think it’s nonsense really he has a touch of class but isn’t consistent with that. As a matter of interest do you know how many games he’s been involved in and how many games he’s been instrumental in. Yes he’s scored 2 goals which is great but I’m not one of those who give a goal scorer mom just because they have scored. I’d say he was instrumental against Luton where he was the best player on the pitch. Not great against Brum, alright at Wigan, made an impact against Norwich in a lost cause of a game. When he’s been fit enough to have a run of games he’s been consistently good by any metric. The start of last season, the seasons before that, his run from Jan - May in the first O’Neill half-season.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 11, 2022 11:40:58 GMT
Never been his biggest fan but to be fair he is probably an archetypal example of a player that needs a change of club. His time here has been a never ending grind of poor team performances interspersed with more and more injuries - fresh surroundings would probably allow him to regain some improved form and give a much needed boost to his career. Equally it’s probably the right time for SCFC on to move on from building him into any meaningful team planning.
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Post by toppercorner on Dec 11, 2022 11:42:26 GMT
body language. and as i said, any moments where there is great skill, it's literally months inbetween each moment. The last 2 seasons he's been a passenger. Oh here we go, body language experts again, we used to have this with Fuller and Nzonzi as well. The last two seasons he’s generally, as ever, been good when he’s played but has had bad luck with injuries. powell and nzonzi were incredible players. Powell is nowhere near them in footballing terms. Body language is one thing that is universal. You can read someone no matter where they're from. And if you have more than a passing interest in anthropology, it does help too. He is always injured. What can we read into that? Doesn't prepare or train properly? Diet is poor? Whatever the reason, as a professional footballer you should being your utmost to keep in the best possible shape, if you aren't, it suggests issues of a sort, somewhere along the line. He can pull it out of the bag, but in the last 2 seasons, it's been very rare. So, i do think we're carrying him.
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Post by wakeypotter on Dec 11, 2022 11:46:45 GMT
Never been his biggest fan but to be fair he is probably an archetypal example of a player that needs a change of club. His time here has been a never ending grind of poor team performances interspersed with more and more injuries - fresh surroundings would probably allow him to regain some improved form and give a much needed boost to his career. Equally it’s probably the right time for SCFC on to move on from building him into any meaningful team planning. Good post. I agree with this. Tbf he is and has been playing with a load of shit since relegation so maybe he’s been brought down to there level
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 11, 2022 11:59:59 GMT
If ever you get the chance to ask Clive Clarke what he thinks of Powell it’s illuminating.
In a nutshell he thinks he’s a super talented player with very little appetite for the game and a heart the size of a pea…….
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 11, 2022 12:00:44 GMT
For me, Powell is only good/very good in bits and spells!!!
His half arsed ficks ons are frustrating, as 9 times out of 10 they don't come off!!!
He spends half the season out injured.... The other half consists of a quarter of decent games, and a quarter of poor games, and that's why we're in the position we find ourselves in!!! He's no better (if not worse at times) than every other player we have here, we only get a quarter of decent games from them over the course of the season!!!
Personally, it wouldn't bother me seeing him gone, if we could replace him with a more Pulis type of player, a grafter who's more consistent, rather than an odd game here and there show pony!!!
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