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Post by musik on Dec 2, 2022 23:16:28 GMT
I don't know if it's mentioned that much in the UK, but I can't remember a week lately when someone didn't use the phrase "a real job".
What is "a real job" to you?
Discuss
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 2, 2022 23:56:16 GMT
I don't know if it's mentioned that much in the UK, but I can't remember a week lately when someone didn't use the phrase "a real job". What is "a real job" to you? Discuss 🤠 A lot of people dislike “influencers” and say that it isn’t a “real job”. (I dislike them also). However, while I think it’s kind of ridiculous, they are still 21st century salespeople. “Real jobs” is a phrase often used to discredit jobs like that, I think. However, they probably spend hours trying to get their video right and the vast majority are never going to “make it”. In the end, a “real job” is the one you choose to do in my opinion. Ideally, it’s one that supports you and your family enough to have a decent shot at life. |
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Post by musik on Dec 3, 2022 2:44:17 GMT
I read a definition online saying
"A real job means you're employed and get paid"
That would suggest someone who runs their own business couldn't say they have a real job.
And if you work as a volunteer, isn't that a job even if you don't get paid?
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Post by musik on Dec 3, 2022 2:45:21 GMT
Many times I hear "musician is not a real job".
Then what about an artist or an author.
A footballer?
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 3, 2022 4:50:54 GMT
Many times I hear "musician is not a real job". Then what about an artist or an author. A footballer? Seems like it depends on how much you get paid! But what if it's government money, I've heard people say politicians haven't got real jobs. |
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Post by lordb on Dec 3, 2022 8:15:22 GMT
A real job is one where you get paid
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Post by musik on Dec 3, 2022 9:59:06 GMT
In Sweden people are concerned about what type of job it is. The complaining people in general in other businesses often refer to the cultural sector as non real jobs, no matter if they're paid or not.
It leads to the fact it's sometimes very hard to get paid if you're offering services within the cultural sector to non cultural people, like painting someone's portrait or playing music at an event or making comments on a first draft of a novel someone has written.
Is the situation the same in the UK?
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Post by iancransonsknees on Dec 3, 2022 10:46:34 GMT
In Sweden people are concerned about what type of job it is. The complaining people in general in other businesses often refer to the cultural sector as non real jobs, no matter if they're paid or not. It leads to the fact it's sometimes very hard to get paid if you're offering services within the cultural sector to non cultural people, like painting someone's portrait or playing music at an event or making comments on a first draft of a novel someone has written. Is the situation the same in the UK? Arts funding is being carved up through levelling up. A lot of those who had steady safe arts jobs through regular annual subsidies being paid to keep them going in the big cities have got their arse out of that now being shared out amongst other projects in the provinces. It's a delight to see. They've benefitted from that form of nepotism far too long. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 3, 2022 11:19:15 GMT
In Sweden people are concerned about what type of job it is. The complaining people in general in other businesses often refer to the cultural sector as non real jobs, no matter if they're paid or not. It leads to the fact it's sometimes very hard to get paid if you're offering services within the cultural sector to non cultural people, like painting someone's portrait or playing music at an event or making comments on a first draft of a novel someone has written. Is the situation the same in the UK? Arts funding is being carved up through levelling up. A lot of those who had steady safe arts jobs through regular annual subsidies being paid to keep them going in the big cities have got their arse out of that now being shared out amongst other projects in the provinces. It's a delight to see. They've benefitted from that form of nepotism far too long. Levelling up is at best a folly and at worst a total con. No levelling up is happening. The cuts to art funding is a travesty. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Dec 3, 2022 11:29:25 GMT
Arts funding is being carved up through levelling up. A lot of those who had steady safe arts jobs through regular annual subsidies being paid to keep them going in the big cities have got their arse out of that now being shared out amongst other projects in the provinces. It's a delight to see. They've benefitted from that form of nepotism far too long. Levelling up is at best a folly and at worst a total con. No levelling up is happening. The cuts to art funding is a travesty. Attachments:
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 3, 2022 11:33:16 GMT
Levelling up is at best a folly and at worst a total con. No levelling up is happening. The cuts to art funding is a travesty. You believe levelling up is happening ffs. Doesn’t get much dimmer than that 😂😂 |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Dec 3, 2022 11:41:00 GMT
You believe levelling up is happening ffs. Doesn’t get much dimmer than that 😂😂  |
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 3, 2022 12:05:47 GMT
In Sweden people are concerned about what type of job it is. The complaining people in general in other businesses often refer to the cultural sector as non real jobs, no matter if they're paid or not. It leads to the fact it's sometimes very hard to get paid if you're offering services within the cultural sector to non cultural people, like painting someone's portrait or playing music at an event or making comments on a first draft of a novel someone has written. Is the situation the same in the UK? I’ve always heard phrases like this to be honest. It’s just another example of “how divided we are”. In truth though, I don’t think we are any more divided than we ever were, it’s just that now we have the means to connect to people that we never otherwise would. Now, we see that society is just a series of little tribes within tribes. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 3, 2022 12:06:59 GMT
16 hours darn the pit. That’s a real job
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Post by iancransonsknees on Dec 3, 2022 12:24:17 GMT
16 hours darn the pit. That’s a real job Badger Culler. |
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Post by musik on Dec 4, 2022 13:28:12 GMT
In Sweden people are concerned about what type of job it is. The complaining people in general in other businesses often refer to the cultural sector as non real jobs, no matter if they're paid or not. It leads to the fact it's sometimes very hard to get paid if you're offering services within the cultural sector to non cultural people, like painting someone's portrait or playing music at an event or making comments on a first draft of a novel someone has written. Is the situation the same in the UK? Arts funding is being carved up through levelling up. A lot of those who had steady safe arts jobs through regular annual subsidies being paid to keep them going in the big cities have got their arse out of that now being shared out amongst other projects in the provinces. It's a delight to see. They've benefitted from that form of nepotism far too long. You are talking about financing. Some people in the culture sector work and gets paid from the other tax payers money. But aren't these people doing it on behalf of the mentioned cities? How would they otherwise get paid? All other tax payers contribute to their payment since the art is performed for the public? I don't know, but that's how it works here. Who else should pay them? Btw, the three examples above were if you had a small business of your own. But it doesn't matter. What about medical researchers? Here they have a system where researchers seek money from different authority funds for their survival. These authorities in turn is normally below the education department in the hierarchy. They in turn get their money from the national budget, meaning other tax payers money. Isn't a researcher a real job? 🤔 |
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 4, 2022 15:00:02 GMT
In Sweden people are concerned about what type of job it is. The complaining people in general in other businesses often refer to the cultural sector as non real jobs, no matter if they're paid or not. It leads to the fact it's sometimes very hard to get paid if you're offering services within the cultural sector to non cultural people, like painting someone's portrait or playing music at an event or making comments on a first draft of a novel someone has written. Is the situation the same in the UK? That's one thing that aggravates me also, music. I've seen it many times on here where posters say "They should get a 'real degree' at university instead of wasting taxpayers money on all this arty stuff". The irony of course is that when they've done their 'real jobs', they park their arses in front of the TV and are entertained by those very same people who spent many years training to be actors or directors or producers or technicians or even wrote the scripts for the entertainment they're watching. For me, a real job is where one goes to work and learns a living while providing 'something' useful for the society they live in. OS. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 4, 2022 15:42:20 GMT
In Sweden people are concerned about what type of job it is. The complaining people in general in other businesses often refer to the cultural sector as non real jobs, no matter if they're paid or not. It leads to the fact it's sometimes very hard to get paid if you're offering services within the cultural sector to non cultural people, like painting someone's portrait or playing music at an event or making comments on a first draft of a novel someone has written. Is the situation the same in the UK? That's one thing that aggravates me also, music. I've seen it many times on here where posters say "They should get a 'real degree' at university instead of wasting taxpayers money on all this arty stuff". The irony of course is that when they've done their 'real jobs', they park their arses in front of the TV and are entertained by those very same people who spent many years training to be actors or directors or producers or technicians or even wrote the scripts for the entertainment they're watching. For me, a real job is where one goes to work and learns a living while providing 'something' useful for the society they live in. OS. Beyond the aspect of a degree being directly vocational, it's also a measure of ability to learn, find and assimilate new information, react to novel information situations and, in general, a measure of intelligence. The nature of the subject itself and its direct applicability to society is not always the be all and end all of taking a degree. And before anyone suggests it, no I didn't do media studies! It may be apocryphal, but I read somewhere that it 'benefits society overall' to pay people to dig holes in the road and then fill them in again. Might have been Keynes? The point being that even such a futile endeavour is better than nothing. You get employment, tax, job experience, self-worth (bit of a stretch, that last one, but you get the point, compared to doing nothing). So the idea of a 'real job' is always going to be subjective and a bit meaningless. Not that that will stop people knocking 'diversity managers', 'inclusivity officers' etc. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 4, 2022 16:43:44 GMT
I went uni late 2000s and older people would find out I was a student and go off about how degrees are useless and I was probably doing media studies. One lad asked my course. He didn't know what the name meant and looked proper confused as he tried to work out whether he should insult it or not.
These attitudes are too black-and-white for me. I know people who'd be happier if they'd learned a trade instead but that doesn't mean it's all shite now.
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 4, 2022 16:48:34 GMT
It may be apocryphal, but I read somewhere that it 'benefits society overall' to pay people to dig holes in the road and then fill them in again. Might have been Keynes? The point being that even such a futile endeavour is better than nothing. You get employment, tax, job experience, self-worth (bit of a stretch, that last one, but you get the point, compared to doing nothing). So the idea of a 'real job' is always going to be subjective and a bit meaningless. I think you could get more benefit if people do better things than just digging and filling holes? Having them set up a hosing-down station for people in Tunstall or Burslem say  A bit meaningless sounds right - but that's good. We can argue for ages about it and sometimes arguing's fun. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 4, 2022 17:55:44 GMT
It may be apocryphal, but I read somewhere that it 'benefits society overall' to pay people to dig holes in the road and then fill them in again. Might have been Keynes? The point being that even such a futile endeavour is better than nothing. You get employment, tax, job experience, self-worth (bit of a stretch, that last one, but you get the point, compared to doing nothing). So the idea of a 'real job' is always going to be subjective and a bit meaningless. I think you could get more benefit if people do better things than just digging and filling holes? Having them set up a hosing-down station for people in Tunstall or Burslem say A bit meaningless sounds right - but that's good. We can argue for ages about it and sometimes arguing's fun. Ha, no doubt! The point that whoever it was who came up with that example was that gainful employment is better for society overall than doing nothing, even if the job itself isn't a 'real job'. But yes, there would be hundreds of much more directly beneficial activities such as the one you give above that you could pay people to do  |
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Post by musik on Dec 4, 2022 18:55:22 GMT
Actually, I thought the discussion would land more on different kind of jobs, no matter how they were paid for.
But here we go! 🤠
In Sweden we have for instance an Authority called the Scientific Council. They distribute money (tax payer's money) from the national budget, to different research projects. It could be within economics and medicine for instance.
The purpose is to promote science and development. They help Sweden to realize their scientific goals and make it easier for the decision makers to make decisions.
The same model for the culture, with the Cultural Council. The purpose there is to reach Sweden's national cultural goals, often called the spine of the country.
Both in the interest of the public.
Other tax payer's money? Yes.
Do these researchers have real jobs?
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Post by musik on Dec 4, 2022 20:00:41 GMT
It may be apocryphal, but I read somewhere that it 'benefits society overall' to pay people to dig holes in the road and then fill them in again. Might have been Keynes? The point being that even such a futile endeavour is better than nothing. You get employment, tax, job experience, self-worth (bit of a stretch, that last one, but you get the point, compared to doing nothing). So the idea of a 'real job' is always going to be subjective and a bit meaningless. I think you could get more benefit if people do better things than just digging and filling holes? Having them set up a hosing-down station for people in Tunstall or Burslem say A bit meaningless sounds right - but that's good. We can argue for ages about it and sometimes arguing's fun. Here we have employed people walking on the pavements with noise protecting phones on their heads, blowing the leaves to the left before lunch and then back again to the right after lunch. Then they go home. |
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Post by innocentbystander on Dec 4, 2022 22:06:30 GMT
If you don't get cold or get your hands dirty it's not a real job.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 4, 2022 22:10:10 GMT
If you don't get cold or get your hands dirty it's not a real job. Then by that definition a job doesn't get much more real than my mate's job, as he's just become an influencer on the niche subject of picking up dogshit with your bare hands on the streets of Reykjavik. |
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Post by musik on Dec 6, 2022 1:34:39 GMT
Actually, I thought the discussion would land more on different kind of jobs, no matter how they were paid for it.
But here we go! 🤠
In Sweden we have for instance an Authority called the Scientific Council. They distribute money (tax payer's money) from the national budget, to different research projects. It could be within economics and medicine for instance.
The purpose is to promote science and development. They help Sweden to realize their scientific goals and make it easier for the decision makers to make decisions.
The same model for the culture, with the Cultural Council. The purpose there is to reach Sweden's national cultural goals, often called the spine of the country.
Both in the interest of the public.
Other tax payer's money? Yes.
Do these researchers have real jobs?
A lot of people in the swedish society get their pay from other tax payers money - don't they have real jobs then?
Authorities, hospitals, researchers, culture ....
Has the origin, where the money comes from, anything to do with it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2022 3:54:36 GMT
In the modern world I don’t think narrow, archaic definitions hold much relevance. There are so many avenues for atypical professions that literally wouldn’t have even been conceivable two or three decades ago.
There are a lot of people making their livings from YouTube for example or from twitch streaming; and not just the most famous examples who are multi-millionaires, but a lot of people with much more modest followings but supporting themselves comfortably. Who is to say that’s not a real job? It’s comparable to being a self-employed tradesman IMO.
There are a lot of people doing vital jobs that benefit society and they get drastically underpaid. And there are a lot of people earning far more whilst climbing ruthless corporate ladders within borderline maniacal corporations. It’s an utterly bullshit and diseased system and I have admiration for all the people who have found a way not to play that shitty game.
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