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Post by polofrance on Dec 1, 2022 22:24:26 GMT
Does seem about as close as possible I have 2 questions: Is the imaginary overhead viewing point centred above the centre of the goal line or the back edge of the goal line? Is the line taken as the actual white paint on the actual grass (which cannot possibly be a totally straight line eg because each blade of grass is not perfectly aligned and would blow differently in the wind) or is it converted by VAR into a computer generated graphic which averages out those actual inconsistencies? Why are the goal posts / cross bar not in the same line as the markings on the pitch . I didn’t see the match but this looks strange if this is the angle it was judged by .
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Post by ChesterStokie on Dec 1, 2022 22:35:16 GMT
I have 2 questions: Is the imaginary overhead viewing point centred above the centre of the goal line or the back edge of the goal line? Is the line taken as the actual white paint on the actual grass (which cannot possibly be a totally straight line eg because each blade of grass is not perfectly aligned and would blow differently in the wind) or is it converted by VAR into a computer generated graphic which averages out those actual inconsistencies? Why are the goal posts / cross bar not in the same line as the markings on the pitch . I didn’t see the match but this looks strange if this is the angle it was judged by . I’m assuming that is just some random picture someone found on the internet rather than the ‘official’ picture used to make the judgement. That picture appears to have been taken from the left hand side of the line. If it had been taken from directly above the right hand edge of the line it would make the ball appear even more in play.
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Post by dirtclod on Dec 1, 2022 23:03:03 GMT
What in the hell are they going on insinuating conspiracy-theories? That's embarrassing. Yeah there's something "untoward" going on at FIFA all right, but it's in the bidding process and nothing to do with that goal.
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Post by kingdong on Dec 1, 2022 23:44:28 GMT
Mike Dean thinks the correct decision was made.
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Post by pottermost on Dec 1, 2022 23:53:42 GMT
As I understand it the WC ball has a sensor secured by suspension in the centre of the ball. That could be the trigger for the immediate notification that the referee is getting on his watch.
The thing is they also triangulate the data from the ball with other datasets, from photo or video systems like hawkeye.
Independently all of these are fallible, but together they can detect subtle anomalies and give a strong corroborative indication that a ball is over a line.
All that computing is not going to happen immediately though, not in the way a sensor notification on the refs watch could do, and if this is the case, we aren't talking about a reff's "decision" being overturned at all, more like the reff lagging in relaying his information.
And I wish I would have watched the Mike Dean vid directly above before typing all that, ffs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2022 0:19:39 GMT
Clear and Obvious mistake? Was it fuck, so why.did VAR get involved? On the flip side, Germany are out because of it so fuck em
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Post by starkiller on Dec 2, 2022 5:35:21 GMT
Correct decision. With a the angle right above, it would look even more in play.
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 2, 2022 6:08:11 GMT
Feel sorry for Japan in all this. After all the nonsense at half time about England not being fancied to play against Spain, I'm not sure many would fancy Japan right now.
Were defensively excellent, restricted Spain to very little second half, were super quick and ruthless on the break and above all else, only needed a 45 minute performance to beat Spain!
Nobody seems to be talking about them at all.
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Post by jeycov on Dec 2, 2022 7:10:53 GMT
That would most likely be called “ in” in tennis The referral system, Hawkeye, would enlarge the aerial view and everyone would see it It’s not infallible but claims to be accurate to within 3.6 mm and generally trusted as an impartial decision Football still playing catch up using technology in sport
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Post by werrington on Dec 2, 2022 7:24:19 GMT
That would be called “ in” in tennis The referral system, Hawkeye, would enlarge the aerial view and everyone would see it Football still playing catch up using technology in sport Here’s another
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Post by franklin on Dec 2, 2022 7:38:24 GMT
That would be called “ in” in tennis The referral system, Hawkeye, would enlarge the aerial view and everyone would see it Football still playing catch up using technology in sport Here’s another I'm not sure why people find the concept so difficult to understand from above it's clearly in play.
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Post by questionable on Dec 2, 2022 7:57:46 GMT
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Post by superjw on Dec 2, 2022 8:09:44 GMT
Would this goal have got such an autopsy if Messi was at the of of it? Doubt it.
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Post by werrington on Dec 2, 2022 11:16:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2022 11:37:55 GMT
Ball is overhanging the line.When did that come in... That's the rule. You get fans going crazy when the ball not in the quadrant for an opposition corner. It doesn't have to be. Just needs to break the white line
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 2, 2022 11:53:17 GMT
Ball is overhanging the line.When did that come in... That's the rule. You get fans going crazy when the ball not in the quadrant for an opposition corner. It doesn't have to be. Just needs to break the white line They have sensors in the ball, right? They go off when a goal is scored. Do they do the same if it generally goes out of play?
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Post by ChesterStokie on Dec 2, 2022 11:55:46 GMT
Clear and Obvious mistake? Was it fuck, so why did VAR get involved? Because the evidence shows that the ball did not cross the line. Although it is as close as it gets, that closeness is irrelevant because it is a black and white decision with no judgement involved. Fact: the ball did not cross the line, therefore a clear and obvious error had been made.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2022 12:00:31 GMT
That's the rule. You get fans going crazy when the ball not in the quadrant for an opposition corner. It doesn't have to be. Just needs to break the white line They have sensors in the ball, right? They go off when a goal is scored. Do they do the same if it generally goes out of play? According to someone I saw explaining in TV it last night they do. Ex ref I think Perhaps why no pics that Souness was getting annoyed about. I imagine is a bit like they have in Tennis. Ball is flagged out, clear and obvious error, decision overturned. As someone has just said, as clear and obvious error as you could make to go to VAR but understandable as half a day later us still being debated from pics . Bottom line is, the correct decision is made and a team weren't eliminated in error
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Dec 2, 2022 12:22:39 GMT
I've still not stopped laughing, tbh
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Post by skeelsy on Dec 2, 2022 13:05:02 GMT
Happy days for Spain. By losing to Japan rather than winning or drawing they have a far easier path to the semi-finals. Instead of having to overcome Croatia and then Brazil to reach the last four they will now face Morocco and then (probably) Portugal or Switzerland. I am not suggesting for one moment however that they were anything but gutted to lose last night !
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Post by spiderpuss on Dec 2, 2022 13:08:43 GMT
I surmising that as there was no "clear and obvious error" then the goal stood. If that's not the case, then VAR shouldn't be used for mm nit-picking and the original on-field decision stands. In 50 years time it will be perfect.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Dec 2, 2022 13:17:30 GMT
Happy days for Spain. By losing to Japan rather than winning or drawing they have a far easier path to the semi-finals. Instead of having to overcome Croatia and then Brazil to reach the last four they will now face Morocco and then (probably) Portugal or Switzerland. I am not suggesting for one moment however that they were anything but gutted to lose last night ! To be fair to Spain it was only in the last 5 minutes that Germany took the lead. Up until then it was on total knife edge for Spain as another Costa Rica goal would have put them out. So it was inconceivable that (apart from the last 5 minutes and added time) they could have been happy to lose. Given the circumstances though it makes their second half performance look really poor.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2022 13:43:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2022 13:44:25 GMT
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Post by zommbee on Dec 2, 2022 23:42:20 GMT
If Japan advance, would this be the first time every confederation has been represented in the knockout rounds? Sorry no it wouldn't, there are only five of the six confederations with representatives at this tournament, no OFC (Oceania). The first time five different confederation teams made the knockout stages was 1994, 2002 and again in 2006, which was the only time an Oceania team made it, Australia, they moved to the Asian section the following year. It also happened in 2010 but not in 2014 or 2018.
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Post by duckling on Dec 2, 2022 23:50:12 GMT
If Japan advance, would this be the first time every confederation has been represented in the knockout rounds? Sorry no it wouldn't, there are only five of the six confederations with representatives at this tournament, no OFC (Oceania). The first time five different confederation teams made the knockout stages was 1994, 2002 and again in 2006, which was the only time an Oceania team made it, Australia, they moved to the Asian section the following year. It also happened in 2010 but not in 2014 or 2018. Oh interesting. Why does Australia play in the Asian confederation rather than Oceania?
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Post by duckling on Dec 3, 2022 3:08:34 GMT
At 17.7%, Japan had the lowest possession of any winning team in World Cup history.
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Post by zommbee on Dec 5, 2022 22:13:23 GMT
Sorry no it wouldn't, there are only five of the six confederations with representatives at this tournament, no OFC (Oceania). The first time five different confederation teams made the knockout stages was 1994, 2002 and again in 2006, which was the only time an Oceania team made it, Australia, they moved to the Asian section the following year. It also happened in 2010 but not in 2014 or 2018. Oh interesting. Why does Australia play in the Asian confederation rather than Oceania? The Australian Football Federation wanted better access to qualification for World Cups, Oceania teams were almost always forced into play off matches to reach the finals, ironically, they got there through play offs this time. The FFA also wanted "A League" clubs to have access to the Asian Champions League to improve the standards at club and international level.
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Post by duckling on Dec 5, 2022 23:12:41 GMT
Oh interesting. Why does Australia play in the Asian confederation rather than Oceania? The Australian Football Federation wanted better access to qualification for World Cups, Oceania teams were almost always forced into play off matches to reach the finals, ironically, they got there through play offs this time. The FFA also wanted "A League" clubs to have access to the Asian Champions League to improve the standards at club and international level. It's so weird how FIFA are just like, fuck geography. I wonder how much money was exchanged for that. Next up, Australia try to join UEFA.
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