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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 26, 2022 10:40:02 GMT
I'm still missing something mate. Maybe I just don't have the brain power for this but say for example the final 2 results are this: Wales 1 England 0 Iran 0 USA 0 Then the final table will look like this won't it? 1st England 4 Points GD +3 2nd Wales 4 Points GD -1 ---------------------------- 3rd Iran 4 Points GD -2 4th USA 3 Points GD 0 We talked about this last night mate as I thought it was head to head and not goal difference but that scenario would mean it wasn’t head to head Fucked if I know 😊 I thought it was head to head but the talk seems to be goal difference, I’m confused
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 26, 2022 10:41:46 GMT
The Bottler will set up so we don't lose by 4 or more goals.
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 26, 2022 10:54:31 GMT
Cmon England ….look a clear winner 😊 Sad pieces of scum. Can’t go and have a drink without picking a fight.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 26, 2022 10:59:40 GMT
Cmon England ….look a clear winner 😊 Sad pieces of scum. Can’t go and have a drink without picking a fight. Disgusting and highly embarrassing scenes. Not a police car in sight so assume the Spanish authorities just thought, fuck it.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 26, 2022 11:02:52 GMT
Sad pieces of scum. Can’t go and have a drink without picking a fight. Disgusting and highly embarrassing scenes. Not a police car in sight so assume the Spanish authorities just thought, fuck it. They really are a disgrace, I’m embarrassed to be English when I see those kind of scenes
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Post by adri2008 on Nov 26, 2022 11:13:51 GMT
Foden will get a game against Wales - he wont be a magic bullet if we play anything like we did against USA though.
Easy to criticise Southgate in hindsight but the seemingly great, fluid team against Iran was completely off the pace. Our pressing was always too late and we were chasing shadows for most of the game.
Hopefully a wake up call for everyone involved that they need to actually turn up to win games.
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Post by thevoid on Nov 26, 2022 11:16:24 GMT
Sad pieces of scum. Can’t go and have a drink without picking a fight. Disgusting and highly embarrassing scenes. Not a police car in sight so assume the Spanish authorities just thought, fuck it. Like to see them try that shit in Qatar. Shame the Guardia Civil weren't there to crack a few skulls
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Post by mattythestokie on Nov 26, 2022 11:28:24 GMT
Have England ever picked up 9 points in a major tournament group stage?
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Post by Davef on Nov 26, 2022 11:47:47 GMT
Have England ever picked up 9 points in a major tournament group stage? 1982. Beat France 3-1, Czechoslovakia 2-0 and Kuwait 1-0.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 13:32:39 GMT
We talked about this last night mate as I thought it was head to head and not goal difference but that scenario would mean it wasn’t head to head Fucked if I know 😊 I thought it was head to head but the talk seems to be goal difference, I’m confused you are both right that in the prem , championship etc , if the points are level , GD decides who comes top For this world cup , i think someone decided if the points are tied , the team with the least yellow cards comes top i am sure i read this , if so the bbc man must be able to see into the future and know how many yellow cards each team will get next . That's impressive. Or the man is an idiot .
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Post by werrington on Nov 26, 2022 13:53:25 GMT
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Post by werrington on Nov 26, 2022 20:29:18 GMT
No because the Iran draw would still need wales to win by a 4-0 margin as they’d be on the same points as Iran and England I'm still missing something mate. Maybe I just don't have the brain power for this but say for example the final 2 results are this: Wales 1 England 0 Iran 0 USA 0 Then the final table will look like this won't it? 1st England 4 Points GD +3 2nd Wales 4 Points GD -1 ---------------------------- 3rd Iran 4 Points GD -2 4th USA 3 Points GD 0 You are correct gods www.google.co.uk/search?q=can+wales+qualify+for+world+cup+2022&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 26, 2022 22:12:37 GMT
We need 2 goals, I can see Bale scoring 1 against us, even if he is passed it.
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Post by callas12 on Nov 27, 2022 0:31:54 GMT
Maddison won't play in this world cup. I agree. Was convinced from the outset he only took Maddison to silence the press and majority of fans so it wasn't an issue pre tournament, he purely lulled people into a false sense of security thinking he was going to take him & use him. Having a squad of 26 instead of 23 which used to be the norm has given Southgate the opportunity to take a couple of passengers along for the ride and I'm sure Maddison is one of them! His excuse will be he wasn't match ready/fit or something along them lines! Conor Coady is another one who I bet isn't anywhere near the starting 11. Kalvin Phillips, Conor Gallagher & Nick Pope are another few I'd imagine..
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Post by shrewspotter on Nov 27, 2022 9:11:39 GMT
No because the Iran draw would still need wales to win by a 4-0 margin as they’d be on the same points as Iran and England I'm still missing something mate. Maybe I just don't have the brain power for this but say for example the final 2 results are this: Wales 1 England 0 Iran 0 USA 0 Then the final table will look like this won't it? 1st England 4 Points GD +3 2nd Wales 4 Points GD -1 ---------------------------- 3rd Iran 4 Points GD -2 4th USA 3 Points GD 0 that's what I thought too If its a head too head then we have 1 win each and 1 loss each so surely goal difference must be applied. So if Wales win and Iran draw then I think England and Wales both qualify For what is worth I think England will beat Wales and USA will beat Iran
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Post by onlyonesirstan on Nov 27, 2022 9:39:05 GMT
Points obtained in all group matches Goal difference in all group matches Number of goals scored in all group matches Points obtained in the matches played between the teams in question Goal difference in the matches played between the teams in question Number of goals scored in the matches played between the teams in question Fair play points in all group matches Drawing of lots
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Post by Squeekster on Nov 27, 2022 11:16:55 GMT
Wales are poor side relying on has beens, if we don't beat them we deserve to go home!
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Post by mattythestokie on Nov 27, 2022 11:36:29 GMT
Maddison won't play in this world cup. I agree. Was convinced from the outset he only took Maddison to silence the press and majority of fans so it wasn't an issue pre tournament, he purely lulled people into a false sense of security thinking he was going to take him & use him. Having a squad of 26 instead of 23 which used to be the norm has given Southgate the opportunity to take a couple of passengers along for the ride and I'm sure Maddison is one of them! His excuse will be he wasn't match ready/fit or something along them lines! Conor Coady is another one who I bet isn't anywhere near the starting 11. Kalvin Phillips, Conor Gallagher & Nick Pope are another few I'd imagine.. Are you expecting us to have 26 players of equal ability and for them all to play this tournament? You’re always going to have that strongest 16 or so players and then topped up with the squad fillers.
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Post by callas12 on Nov 27, 2022 12:53:40 GMT
I agree. Was convinced from the outset he only took Maddison to silence the press and majority of fans so it wasn't an issue pre tournament, he purely lulled people into a false sense of security thinking he was going to take him & use him. Having a squad of 26 instead of 23 which used to be the norm has given Southgate the opportunity to take a couple of passengers along for the ride and I'm sure Maddison is one of them! His excuse will be he wasn't match ready/fit or something along them lines! Conor Coady is another one who I bet isn't anywhere near the starting 11. Kalvin Phillips, Conor Gallagher & Nick Pope are another few I'd imagine.. Are you expecting us to have 26 players of equal ability and for them all to play this tournament? You’re always going to have that strongest 16 or so players and then topped up with the squad fillers. Not strictly no, I'm simply saying that wrongly Maddisons name is amongst that list of fringe players when IMHO he should be starting, but he's not one of Southgates 'in' players and simply been taken to make the numbers up, regardless of whether fit enough to play or not, Maddison was a peer pressure pick and nothing more. But I will say that all his squad of players should be of good enough ability to step in and play If required so whilst they may not be first choice, ability wise they should all be capable and able & all of similar standard to each other. For me Ramsdale & Ben White would be starting as their league form is outstanding, but Southgate has he his loyals he'll always pick first. The days of squad fillers as you put it isn't really the case these days.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 13:24:06 GMT
pep chose foden over sterling , he knows them well and had a straight choice
southgate should do the same
nobody in football believes Pep called this one wrong
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Post by mattythestokie on Nov 27, 2022 13:29:51 GMT
Are you expecting us to have 26 players of equal ability and for them all to play this tournament? You’re always going to have that strongest 16 or so players and then topped up with the squad fillers. Not strictly no, I'm simply saying that wrongly Maddisons name is amongst that list of fringe players when IMHO he should be starting, but he's not one of Southgates 'in' players and simply been taken to make the numbers up, regardless of whether fit enough to play or not, Maddison was a peer pressure pick and nothing more. But I will say that all his squad of players should be of good enough ability to step in and play If required so whilst they may not be first choice, ability wise they should all be capable and able & all of similar standard to each other. For me Ramsdale & Ben White would be starting as their league form is outstanding, but Southgate has he his loyals he'll always pick first. The days of squad fillers as you put it isn't really the case these days. You’re on about Maddison as if he’s not been injured and only trained with the rest of the squad for the first time yesterday. He’s not been fit to play yet. Of course there’s going to be squad fillers. Every team in this tournament has players who know they’re not going get a single minute of action. No country is lucky enough to have that depth of talent.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 14:05:54 GMT
Usually tight games when UK nations meet but should see Wales off although be close. Need to play 11 men this time not 10 and Mason Mount. He was the reason England didn't beat Italy for me. Groups are about getting to the next round then you can start playing a bit .
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Post by GrahamHyde on Nov 27, 2022 14:27:29 GMT
Will be a close fought, dogged encounter but we should have enough quality to see them off.
2-1 England.
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Post by callas12 on Nov 27, 2022 15:48:54 GMT
Not strictly no, I'm simply saying that wrongly Maddisons name is amongst that list of fringe players when IMHO he should be starting, but he's not one of Southgates 'in' players and simply been taken to make the numbers up, regardless of whether fit enough to play or not, Maddison was a peer pressure pick and nothing more. But I will say that all his squad of players should be of good enough ability to step in and play If required so whilst they may not be first choice, ability wise they should all be capable and able & all of similar standard to each other. For me Ramsdale & Ben White would be starting as their league form is outstanding, but Southgate has he his loyals he'll always pick first. The days of squad fillers as you put it isn't really the case these days. You’re on about Maddison as if he’s not been injured and only trained with the rest of the squad for the first time yesterday. He’s not been fit to play yet. Of course there’s going to be squad fillers. Every team in this tournament has players who know they’re not going get a single minute of action. No country is lucky enough to have that depth of talent. I'm talking about Maddison regardless of being injured or not. Southgate clearly doesn't fancy him one bit and has picked him purely to stop the media storm pre World Cup when the squad was announced. Maddisons made '1' England appearance, that being under Southgate and that was in 2019, he's been consistently one of England's best midfielders in domestic football over this period but Southgates NEVER seen fit to utilise him or even include him in the England Squad for both competitive and non competitive England matches. There is something Southgate clearly doesn't fancy about Maddison coz as a footballer he's one of our most creative midfielders As for squad fillers, I honestly believe right now England has a squad of very good players of pretty much equal ability. We have no one player who is a so called unplayable star like we've had in the past. No Beckhams, Gerrards, Rooneys, Lampards, Shearers, Gazza's etc etc. Yeah Kane is a prolific goal scorer but if he didn't play v Wales for eg on Tuesday it's not make or break time. & this is what makes me think there aren't any major weak links in our squad right now, any player in the 26 could quite easily start any match and they'd do as good a job as the person they're replacing. Other teams in the World Cup may not be so lucky but I honestly believe every player in our squad could be called on to play and would do a job..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 15:49:59 GMT
Will be a close fought, dogged encounter but we should have enough quality to see them off. 2-1 England. Yep, think exactly the same.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 27, 2022 15:59:03 GMT
Four nil England
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Post by werrington on Nov 27, 2022 16:02:30 GMT
White shirts,blue shorts and white socks on Tuesday
Now that’s an England strip
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Nov 27, 2022 18:12:00 GMT
He'll go back to 3 center backs from this game and for the rest of the tournament.
If he does, I hope he gives Alexander-Arnold a chance.
Pickford
Walker. Stones. Maguire
A Arnold. Rice Bellingham Shaw
Saka. Kane. Rashford
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Post by cdf on Nov 27, 2022 18:18:32 GMT
He'll go back to 3 center backs from this game and for the rest of the tournament. If he does, I hope he gives Alexander-Arnold a chance. Pickford Walker. Stones. Maguire A Arnold. Rice Bellingham Shaw Saka. Kane. Rashford Have you fell out with Phil Foden?
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Nov 27, 2022 18:18:40 GMT
White shirts,blue shorts and white socks on Tuesday Now that’s an England strip White jerseys, blue shorts and white stockings as our Nige would say.
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