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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 24, 2022 14:40:40 GMT
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Post by xchpotter on Nov 24, 2022 15:09:09 GMT
Does make you realise how tricky it can be to go back up after relegation, but it is entirely doable. In recent times Norwich, Burnley,Newcastle, Bournemouth have shown it’s possible within 2 or 3 seasons.
I am beginning to think we may need to go with this nuclear option. There is only one player I would keep and build around and that’s Souttar. The rest either aren’t good enough, can’t be arsed or can’t take to the field without sustaining an injury.
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 24, 2022 16:16:07 GMT
Another rebuild. We've just had a bloody rebuild, nothing has changed. This "root and branch" stuff is never going to work unless the roots and the branches are the owners and club structure.
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Post by thevoid on Nov 24, 2022 16:29:59 GMT
Scorched earth policy, it's the only way
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 24, 2022 16:43:50 GMT
It’s easy to agree with Potterlog, as I do, as the only consistent throughout our recent failures are the board. However, they’re not going anywhere anytime soon.
Hopefully Neil and the new TD get the right team of coaches and scouts that builds the culture needed for a team to be successful. We’re absolutely useless at set pieces so getting rid of Rory or finding something he’s good at would be a start. As I’ve said before the lack of leadership within the playing squad is obvious with only Souttar standing out as one and on the point of personalities we’re far too nice a side.
Whilst wiping out the whole squad computer-game-style seems a good idea it’s unrealistic and a leadership core can’t be built overnight. Unfortunately for us incredibly fickle football fans this might take a while but at least if Neil gets it all wrong we can sack him and start from scratch yet again in a couple of years and have this same conversation over and over.
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Post by march4 on Nov 24, 2022 16:47:55 GMT
We need a Stanley Matthews type signing to revitalise us.
The trouble is FFP would prevent us signing someone of that calibre at the end of their career.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 24, 2022 18:00:51 GMT
Rowett had a PL Hangover cure that cost 70million quid.
How about these 'managers' actually managing/coaching players and making them better for once?
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Post by theonlooker on Nov 24, 2022 18:10:56 GMT
I might have memory issues here, but weren't those two saying how decent the squad was in the summer/early doors?
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Post by J-Roar on Nov 24, 2022 18:18:35 GMT
Does make you realise how tricky it can be to go back up after relegation, but it is entirely doable. In recent times Norwich, Burnley,Newcastle, Bournemouth have shown it’s possible within 2 or 3 seasons. I am beginning to think we may need to go with this nuclear option. There is only one player I would keep and build around and that’s Souttar. The rest either aren’t good enough, can’t be arsed or can’t take to the field without sustaining an injury. It's tricky if you're badly run by a family who have no idea and who employed a leach as a CE. It's tricky if you will only employ members of the British Managers Club. It's tricky if you let the manager define the structure of the club like it's 1988. The examples of clubs not going back up and stagnating all had no money - we've managed to do it while being as Croesus. Pound for pound we must have the worst managerial appointments and worst transfer policy in the history of football. |
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Post by J-Roar on Nov 24, 2022 18:21:37 GMT
We need a Stanley Matthews type signing to revitalise us. The trouble is FFP would prevent us signing someone of that calibre at the end of their career. We need youth, pace, aggression and someone to captain the current shit show - someone needs to tell these cunts to start playing. |
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Post by dirtclod on Nov 24, 2022 18:55:38 GMT
Don't care if we have to go to Sheffield, Essen or Pittsburgh, but pick up a pile of steel Stoke!
Huth and company spoiled me.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 24, 2022 18:56:40 GMT
A rebuild needs to happen for sure but it needs to start at the very top.
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Post by nosyclothes1 on Nov 24, 2022 20:41:00 GMT
Let's just say (and I know it can't happen )but if we could just get rid of any of the current squad tomorrow who would you keep and who would be released, I would get rid of all 3 keepers, Clarke,Jagielka,Flint,Fox,Laurent,Thompson,Clucas,kilkenny,Smallbone,Gayle,Delap,Campbell,Wright Philipps,and would keep Sterling,Souttar,Taylor,Tymon,Fosu,Baker,Powell,Brown. A couple of released were borderline (Thompson and Campbell )and a couple of the retained (Baker and Brown ) but there it is, anybody else fancy a go ??
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Post by maine on Nov 24, 2022 21:23:59 GMT
Responding to Pugsley and Nosy
1/ I think Neil has improved Fox and Wilmott (who Nosy omitted.)
2/ I'd hold on to Clucas Fox Kilkenny and Gayle and let Sterling go. Thompson and Wright Phillips would be toss-Ups for me.
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 24, 2022 22:39:42 GMT
Or, even more drastic…we bring in a target man to add some strength to the forward line and a central midfielder who wants to pass forwards.
We don’t need a total overhaul. Most of the squad is decent, it’s just imbalanced and ineffective.
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Post by nosyclothes1 on Nov 24, 2022 22:45:36 GMT
Most of the squad isn't decent, how many would you want to take forward to become potential premier standard ?
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 24, 2022 23:11:16 GMT
Let's just say (and I know it can't happen )but if we could just get rid of any of the current squad tomorrow who would you keep and who would be released, I would get rid of all 3 keepers, Clarke,Jagielka,Flint,Fox,Laurent,Thompson,Clucas,kilkenny,Smallbone,Gayle,Delap,Campbell,Wright Philipps,and would keep Sterling,Souttar,Taylor,Tymon,Fosu,Baker,Powell,Brown. A couple of released were borderline (Thompson and Campbell )and a couple of the retained (Baker and Brown ) but there it is, anybody else fancy a go ?? I’d keep all of those that you would plus Clarke, Fox and I’d like to see a bit more of Laurent, Taylor, Kilkenny and DWP before making my mind up. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 24, 2022 23:16:35 GMT
Does make you realise how tricky it can be to go back up after relegation, but it is entirely doable. In recent times Norwich, Burnley,Newcastle, Bournemouth have shown it’s possible within 2 or 3 seasons. I am beginning to think we may need to go with this nuclear option. There is only one player I would keep and build around and that’s Souttar. The rest either aren’t good enough, can’t be arsed or can’t take to the field without sustaining an injury. I think it's much tougher to come down as a long term PL side with expensive players who were not good enough to stay up - us, Sunderland, Bolton, Blackburn, Fulham at one point - than as a side who have just been promoted and have a squad well accustomed to the league. |
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Post by mattythestokie on Nov 24, 2022 23:17:45 GMT
It’s already happened hasn’t it? Past 2 years has seen a complete change.
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 25, 2022 2:36:18 GMT
Does make you realise how tricky it can be to go back up after relegation, but it is entirely doable. In recent times Norwich, Burnley,Newcastle, Bournemouth have shown it’s possible within 2 or 3 seasons. I am beginning to think we may need to go with this nuclear option. There is only one player I would keep and build around and that’s Souttar. The rest either aren’t good enough, can’t be arsed or can’t take to the field without sustaining an injury. I think it's much tougher to come down as a long term PL side with expensive players who were not good enough to stay up - us, Sunderland, Bolton, Blackburn, Fulham at one point - than as a side who have just been promoted and have a squad well accustomed to the league. Newcastle and Villa did it. We were just crap at recruitment and have now paid the price. Once the relegation fund goes away, you are faced with the same crap as everyone else. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 25, 2022 7:01:58 GMT
I think it's much tougher to come down as a long term PL side with expensive players who were not good enough to stay up - us, Sunderland, Bolton, Blackburn, Fulham at one point - than as a side who have just been promoted and have a squad well accustomed to the league. Newcastle and Villa did it. We were just crap at recruitment and have now paid the price. Once the relegation fund goes away, you are faced with the same crap as everyone else. Villa made a right meal of it, though. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 25, 2022 7:10:44 GMT
We need a Stanley Matthews type signing to revitalise us. The trouble is FFP would prevent us signing someone of that calibre at the end of their career. And that's not what we need. |
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Post by scfc75 on Nov 25, 2022 7:34:22 GMT
The suggestion makes zero sense. Each manager has been allowed to bring in a significant volume of players and each manager has failed. If AN replaces the whole squad, and doesn’t succeed, then the next manager is stuck with exactly the same problem, inheriting a failed squad. What does he do, replace them all over again??
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Post by lordb on Nov 25, 2022 8:06:22 GMT
We need a Stanley Matthews type signing to revitalise us. The trouble is FFP would prevent us signing someone of that calibre at the end of their career. And that's not what we need. Isn't it? A Brian Talbot, a Mark Crossley? Such players would be on Premier League wages and given FFP no longer drop down a division |
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Post by J-Roar on Nov 25, 2022 8:31:03 GMT
And that's not what we need. Isn't it? A Brian Talbot, a Mark Crossley? Such players would be on Premier League wages and given FFP no longer drop down a division Not often you hear Stanley Matthews and Brian Talbot in the same breath |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 25, 2022 9:31:13 GMT
The suggestion makes zero sense. Each manager has been allowed to bring in a significant volume of players and each manager has failed. If AN replaces the whole squad, and doesn’t succeed, then the next manager is stuck with exactly the same problem, inheriting a failed squad. What does he do, replace them all over again?? Our operating model is to give the manager carte blanche in playing style and recruitment so unless the owners bring in a manager with a similar approach to the previous one a major overhaul of the squad is pretty inevitable. Neil's approach is completely different to O'Neils and unsurprisingly he is struggling to get a tune out of a squad that doesn't fit his approach. We've basically thrown O'Neil's rebuild out if the window and starting again. I don't believe we're looking at a total scorched earth policy - that's just clickbait and hysteria. There are some players that suit Neil's approach (Brown, Thompson and Tymon come to mind) and others that may well adapt. However any serious tilt at promotion has effectively been put back a couple of seasons by changing manager and playing style when we did. |
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Post by shrewspotter on Nov 25, 2022 9:31:35 GMT
My view is the spine is weak as piss and has been for a while. Good centre half with Souttar, good midfielder and good striker and we will fly
Trouble is we thought we had it with Smallbone and Delap but just not working out
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Post by dutchstokie on Nov 25, 2022 9:37:26 GMT
Most of the squad isn't decent, how many would you want to take forward to become potential premier standard ? We all know the answer to that one.... I wouldnt keep one single player......Souttar included. His dominence in the air and organisation at the back isnt in question. The long term effects to his pace from the injury are the crux of the matter. If we're being brutally honest hes a good Chamionship defender...thats where it stops for me Im afraid. Thats my two penneth. Tin hat time ! |
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Post by greyman on Nov 25, 2022 9:45:38 GMT
I might have memory issues here, but weren't those two saying how decent the squad was in the summer/early doors? They were. Also the people who said we got relegated from the Premier League after sacking Pulis. When the facts were pointed out to them, doubled down and claimed it was just a difference of opinion. |
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Post by ParaPsych on Nov 25, 2022 11:15:00 GMT
I might have memory issues here, but weren't those two saying how decent the squad was in the summer/early doors? They were. Also the people who said we got relegated from the Premier League after sacking Pulis. When the facts were pointed out to them, doubled down and claimed it was just a difference of opinion. Technically we did get relegated from the Premier League after sacking Pulis. But then you could also say we got relegated from the Premier League after sacking Brian Little. |
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