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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 1, 2022 18:16:01 GMT
I think the officiating has been generally good. A lot of “letting the game flow”. Not always the best way but I suppose it encourages players to get on with it.
The real bonus for me has been the added time. It’s not stopping time wasting as such but at least it’s not giving the cheats so much of an advantage.
Oh I nearly forgot, VAR has been absolutely atrocious and urgently needs binning or severely stream lining. 7 fucking blokes watching a monitor in a studio!
There was one today where they got the ref to go to the pitch side monitor to check an offside ffs, when did that start being a thing. The game is far worse for it. I much prefer the “what goes around comes around” nature of refereeing decisions.
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Post by liathroid on Dec 1, 2022 18:58:05 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 1, 2022 19:03:41 GMT
I think the officiating has been generally good. A lot of “letting the game flow”. Not always the best way but I suppose it encourages players to get on with it. The real bonus for me has been the added time. It’s not stopping time wasting as such but at least it’s not giving the cheats so much of an advantage. Oh I nearly forgot, VAR has been absolutely atrocious and urgently needs binning or severely stream lining. 7 fucking blokes watching a monitor in a studio! There was one today where they got the ref to go to the pitch side monitor to check an offside ffs, when did that start being a thing. The game is far worse for it. I much prefer the “what goes around comes around” nature of refereeing decisions. Spot on badge. I think if refs keep up the mentality of let it flow/add on time then eventually it'll sink into the skulls of the players that cheating isn't helping any more. It's just ingrained in some teams. |
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Post by raythesailor on Dec 3, 2022 16:58:14 GMT
The good Refs rarely get talked about because nobody notices them
The official today Netherlands v USA was IMO excellent.
Never got flustered and dealt with the game excellently allowing the game to flow.. When yellow cards had to be shown no problem or prima doner flamboyance.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 3, 2022 17:03:49 GMT
The good Refs rarely get talked about because nobody notices them The official today Netherlands v USA was IMO excellent. Never got flustered and dealt with the game excellently allowing the game to flow.. When yellow cards had to be shown no problem or prima doner flamboyance. Bang on, superbly reffed |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2022 17:23:19 GMT
I think in general they've been really good. The game is getting too fast for linesmen to make accurate calls so VAR helped a lot there also .
Refs who have a good game rarely get credit. Perhaps cake after the game if they do a good job. Refs love cake
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Post by noustie on Dec 3, 2022 17:50:21 GMT
I think in general they've been really good. The game is getting too fast for linesmen to make accurate calls so VAR helped a lot there also . Refs who have a good game rarely get credit. Perhaps cake after the game if they do a good job. Refs love cake 'You can have anything from the strawberry tart down... I know you want the vanilla slice but you need to get to the semi's to unlock them' 'Anthony Taylor- there's half a pack of mashed Rich Teas in the back of that cupboard ' |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2022 17:58:46 GMT
I think in general they've been really good. The game is getting too fast for linesmen to make accurate calls so VAR helped a lot there also . Refs who have a good game rarely get credit. Perhaps cake after the game if they do a good job. Refs love cake 'You can have anything from the strawberry tart down... I know you want the vanilla slice but you need to get to the semi's to unlock them' 'Anthony Taylor- there's half a pack of mashed Rich Teas in the back of that cupboard ' You have to be exceptional to get the Vanilla Slice...can't just go handing them out to some ref because he let a game flow etc. That's more of a Gingerbread Man from Chatwins thing . Not sure if they have Chatwins in Doha |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 3, 2022 18:02:11 GMT
I wonder if we'll get a female ref in the final? Not in Qatar, surely.
Maybe next time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2022 18:05:59 GMT
I wonder if we'll get a female ref in the final? Not in Qatar, surely. Maybe next time. Will possibly be dressed as Bugs Bunny or in a Nathan's Hot Dog outfit next one so be hard to tell |
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Post by raythesailor on Dec 3, 2022 18:07:05 GMT
'You can have anything from the strawberry tart down... I know you want the vanilla slice but you need to get to the semi's to unlock them' 'Anthony Taylor- there's half a pack of mashed Rich Teas in the back of that cupboard ' You have to be exceptional to get the Vanilla Slice...can't just go handing them out to some ref because he let a game flow etc. That's more of a Gingerbread Man from Chatwins thing . Not sure if they have Chatwins in Doha Does this revolutionary change in Referee assessment and timing of the competition, mean that the officials will either get a large slice of Christmas cake with brandy cream or; A-measly slice of Jam Roll and sour cream? 🤔 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2022 18:10:30 GMT
You have to be exceptional to get the Vanilla Slice...can't just go handing them out to some ref because he let a game flow etc. That's more of a Gingerbread Man from Chatwins thing . Not sure if they have Chatwins in Doha Does this revolutionary change in Referee assessment and timing of the competition, mean that the officials will either get a large slice of Christmas cake with brandy cream or; A-measly slice of Jam Roll and sour cream? 🤔 Were already having the Xmas cake debate in our house , please don't go there. I mean...who likes bloody trifle? Could get ugly and need VAR when I bring out Vienetta |
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Post by zommbee on Dec 9, 2022 23:18:59 GMT
Antonio Mateu Lahoz, the referee in the Netherlands v Argentina match, abysmal, erratic, lost control from early in the game, 15 yellow cards and a red at the end of extra time, could have been more though with some strange decisions. Quite why he failed to book Messi for deliberate hand ball is baffling.
The refereeing overall has been pretty good but this one should be sent home immediately, he'll probably get the final though.
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Post by raythesailor on Dec 9, 2022 23:43:06 GMT
Well I agree that the Messi hand ball decision off Messi was poor, but I don’t think that was the defining moment of his game.
It was a very difficult match to officiate. Yes he could possibly handled some situations better but when you have International Superstars cheating and rolling around in agony what do you do?
In the Uruguay game the Referee waived on play for a obvious dive and Pen appeal and ended up with a near riot.!, and much criticism .
The point of this thread was to discuss and think about the problems that officials have to face.
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Post by raythesailor on Dec 10, 2022 17:56:09 GMT
Not WC related but how bad was the Referee at Stoke today.?
An unbelievable denial of a penalty, and general inadequate ability. This was not a difficult game to referee and no debatable situations. Just kept getting things wrong.
Let’s hope England have no problems this evening.
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Post by onepara on Dec 10, 2022 22:15:37 GMT
The referees in the W.Cup are probably 'advised' not to book, or send-off, any of the so called, star players. As that's who the public pay to see perform. They'll be well brassed off if they don't get big teams in the final. They are falling by the wayside, thick & fast. Morocco v Croatia, anyone?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 12, 2022 14:19:16 GMT
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Post by Davef on Dec 12, 2022 17:44:20 GMT
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Post by admiral on Dec 12, 2022 18:17:28 GMT
It’s an interesting microcosm of the match and got me instantly riled again. This was either total incompetence or bias. No in betweens. |
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Post by metalhead on Dec 12, 2022 20:31:06 GMT
It was a truly horrific refereeing performance from a guy who clearly shouldn't be refereeing and potentially has few sketchy skeletons in his closet as well. It really wouldn't surprise me, if we found out in a few years time that this guy was skimming a bit on the side. Corruption is rife in the game and it was probably one of the worst refereeing displays I've ever seen during a World Cup match. VAR-for-some, clearly. However, the right team won from FIFA's perspective and during a World Cup where they needed a win. England aren't really a 'superstar' team, as such. No Ronaldo, Messi, Mbappe, Neymar etc... It's pretty obvious that FIFA have their favourites and have done for years... Y'know the ones who make them the most money with image rights and commercialisation. Years ago, we probably sat at the table but years of mismanagement has resulted in England falling into the second/third tier of importance. No wonder Michael Oliver has been sent home. He didn't give absolutely everything to the 'right' team, at least from FIFA's perspective. I suspect they've lost millions due to some of the bigger teams going out. They needed a goliath, someone to keep the image pennies coming in and considering the only thing FIFA stands for, is lining the pockets of various executives, I suspect this tournament has potentially been a let-down from that perspective. Keeping the likes of Mbappe and Griezmann on the pitch, keeps the muggles spending their money and revenue coming in. The last thing FIFA would have wanted is Morocco vs England. This is a nice comfortable result which ensures a France vs someone final, just like FIFA wanted. Well done FIFA. |
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Dec 12, 2022 22:52:44 GMT
Pepe was definitely moaning about the wrong ref.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2022 0:05:07 GMT
It was a truly horrific refereeing performance from a guy who clearly shouldn't be refereeing and potentially has few sketchy skeletons in his closet as well. It really wouldn't surprise me, if we found out in a few years time that this guy was skimming a bit on the side. Corruption is rife in the game and it was probably one of the worst refereeing displays I've ever seen during a World Cup match. VAR-for-some, clearly. However, the right team won from FIFA's perspective and during a World Cup where they needed a win. England aren't really a 'superstar' team, as such. No Ronaldo, Messi, Mbappe, Neymar etc... It's pretty obvious that FIFA have their favourites and have done for years... Y'know the ones who make them the most money with image rights and commercialisation. Years ago, we probably sat at the table but years of mismanagement has resulted in England falling into the second/third tier of importance. No wonder Michael Oliver has been sent home. He didn't give absolutely everything to the 'right' team, at least from FIFA's perspective. I suspect they've lost millions due to some of the bigger teams going out. They needed a goliath, someone to keep the image pennies coming in and considering the only thing FIFA stands for, is lining the pockets of various executives, I suspect this tournament has potentially been a let-down from that perspective. Keeping the likes of Mbappe and Griezmann on the pitch, keeps the muggles spending their money and revenue coming in. The last thing FIFA would have wanted is Morocco vs England. This is a nice comfortable result which ensures a France vs someone final, just like FIFA wanted. Well done FIFA. Whilst I fully understand where you're coming from mate, and agree with a lot of what you say.... That ref (who to be fair didn't want to give the penalty) didn't blaze that penalty over the bar in the 2nd half. The ref was an absolute joke, and corruption is rife, but we went out because we weren't quite good enough when it mattered yet again. It was typical England, and we've all seen it so many times before it's become an institution  |
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Post by metalhead on Dec 13, 2022 7:19:09 GMT
It was a truly horrific refereeing performance from a guy who clearly shouldn't be refereeing and potentially has few sketchy skeletons in his closet as well. It really wouldn't surprise me, if we found out in a few years time that this guy was skimming a bit on the side. Corruption is rife in the game and it was probably one of the worst refereeing displays I've ever seen during a World Cup match. VAR-for-some, clearly. However, the right team won from FIFA's perspective and during a World Cup where they needed a win. England aren't really a 'superstar' team, as such. No Ronaldo, Messi, Mbappe, Neymar etc... It's pretty obvious that FIFA have their favourites and have done for years... Y'know the ones who make them the most money with image rights and commercialisation. Years ago, we probably sat at the table but years of mismanagement has resulted in England falling into the second/third tier of importance. No wonder Michael Oliver has been sent home. He didn't give absolutely everything to the 'right' team, at least from FIFA's perspective. I suspect they've lost millions due to some of the bigger teams going out. They needed a goliath, someone to keep the image pennies coming in and considering the only thing FIFA stands for, is lining the pockets of various executives, I suspect this tournament has potentially been a let-down from that perspective. Keeping the likes of Mbappe and Griezmann on the pitch, keeps the muggles spending their money and revenue coming in. The last thing FIFA would have wanted is Morocco vs England. This is a nice comfortable result which ensures a France vs someone final, just like FIFA wanted. Well done FIFA. Whilst I fully understand where you're coming from mate, and agree with a lot of what you say.... That ref (who to be fair didn't want to give the penalty) didn't blaze that penalty over the bar in the 2nd half. The ref was an absolute joke, and corruption is rife, but we went out because we weren't quite good enough when it mattered yet again. It was typical England, and we've all seen it so many times before it's become an institution Can't argue with that. Small amount of emotion coming through in my message for sure. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 13, 2022 7:32:06 GMT
One thing I will say: the FA need to adopt the World Cup rules about injury time ASAP. It's amazing how much it's cut out the time wasting.
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Post by nonameface on Dec 13, 2022 7:45:42 GMT
It was a truly horrific refereeing performance from a guy who clearly shouldn't be refereeing and potentially has few sketchy skeletons in his closet as well. It really wouldn't surprise me, if we found out in a few years time that this guy was skimming a bit on the side. Corruption is rife in the game and it was probably one of the worst refereeing displays I've ever seen during a World Cup match. VAR-for-some, clearly. However, the right team won from FIFA's perspective and during a World Cup where they needed a win. England aren't really a 'superstar' team, as such. No Ronaldo, Messi, Mbappe, Neymar etc... It's pretty obvious that FIFA have their favourites and have done for years... Y'know the ones who make them the most money with image rights and commercialisation. Years ago, we probably sat at the table but years of mismanagement has resulted in England falling into the second/third tier of importance. No wonder Michael Oliver has been sent home. He didn't give absolutely everything to the 'right' team, at least from FIFA's perspective. I suspect they've lost millions due to some of the bigger teams going out. They needed a goliath, someone to keep the image pennies coming in and considering the only thing FIFA stands for, is lining the pockets of various executives, I suspect this tournament has potentially been a let-down from that perspective. Keeping the likes of Mbappe and Griezmann on the pitch, keeps the muggles spending their money and revenue coming in. The last thing FIFA would have wanted is Morocco vs England. This is a nice comfortable result which ensures a France vs someone final, just like FIFA wanted. Well done FIFA. Whilst I fully understand where you're coming from mate, and agree with a lot of what you say.... That ref (who to be fair didn't want to give the penalty) didn't blaze that penalty over the bar in the 2nd half. The ref was an absolute joke, and corruption is rife, but we went out because we weren't quite good enough when it mattered yet again. It was typical England, and we've all seen it so many times before it's become an institution Appreciate where you are coming from and it's good we are focusing on what we could have done better. But if the ref team had been better, France would have had several yellow cards, would have had their first goal disallowed and would have provided us another penalty. If those mistakes hadn't been made we would have ran out clear winners. |
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Post by raythesailor on Dec 13, 2022 10:29:02 GMT
All the media talk of Referees being “SENT HOME” is misleading.
There are only three games remaining . The large pool of officials are no required and so are returning home and probably very glad to be doing so.
The officials for the final will be shortlisted if not already decided upon and obviously dependant on the results of the semi finals.
For Referees the final would be the pinnacle of achievement.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 13, 2022 11:11:21 GMT
All the media talk of Referees being “SENT HOME” is misleading. There are only three games remaining . The large pool of officials are no required and so are returning home and probably very glad to be doing so. The officials for the final will be shortlisted if not already decided upon and obviously dependant on the results of the semi finals. For Referees the final would be the pinnacle of achievement. (4 games, don’t forget the game everyone wants to be in - 3rd place play off) |
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