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Post by raythesailor on Nov 21, 2022 16:17:48 GMT
We are constantly complaining about the quality of officials and their decisions in the Championship and the PL.
We now have the opportunity to scrutinise and assess what is Presumably THE BEST CHOICE ON THE PLANET. Not only in our own games, when we may well be watching with tainted spectacles , but throughout the competition with today’s Brazilian, reffing England.
I thought he was in a difficult situation and was not to bad, and tried to let the game flow by ignoring numerous fouls and blatant diving by Iran. This was the price we needed to pay otherwise the game would have become a farce constantly stopping and starting. So on the whole I would say 6 out of 10.
USA v Wales could be interesting.⚓️
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Post by marylandstoke on Nov 21, 2022 16:40:56 GMT
We are constantly complaining about the quality of officials and their decisions in the Championship and the PL. We now have the opportunity to scrutinise and assess what is Presumably THE BEST CHOICE ON THE PLANET. Not only in our own games, when we may well be watching with tainted spectacles , but throughout the competition with today’s Brazilian, reffing England. I thought he was in a difficult situation and was not to bad, and tried to let the game flow by ignoring numerous fouls and blatant diving by Iran. This was the price we needed to pay otherwise the game would have become a farce constantly stopping and starting. So on the whole I would say 6 out of 10. USA v Wales could be interesting.⚓️ Thought it was interesting that he had managed…was it 9 red cards in his last 10 games with 5 in one? Completly boned the first penalty. Handled the concussion awefully, adds ten minutes then plays three. It also wasn’t a difficult game to manage. Be interesting to see what he might be like with battle with real vim. I miss Pierluigi (any excuse) Attachment Deleted
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Post by AlliG on Nov 21, 2022 16:44:38 GMT
We are constantly complaining about the quality of officials and their decisions in the Championship and the PL. We now have the opportunity to scrutinise and assess what is Presumably THE BEST CHOICE ON THE PLANET. Not only in our own games, when we may well be watching with tainted spectacles , but throughout the competition with today’s Brazilian, reffing England. I thought he was in a difficult situation and was not to bad, and tried to let the game flow by ignoring numerous fouls and blatant diving by Iran. This was the price we needed to pay otherwise the game would have become a farce constantly stopping and starting. So on the whole I would say 6 out of 10. USA v Wales could be interesting.⚓️ Thought it was interesting that he had managed…was it 9 red cards in his last 10 games with 5 in one? Completly boned the first penalty. Handled the concussion awefully, adds ten minutes then plays three. It also wasn’t a difficult game to manage. Be interesting to see what he might be like with battle with real vim. I miss Pierluigi (any excuse) View AttachmentMaths a bit of a challenge? There was 10 minutes added in the 1st half and the half finished at about 55 minutes. In the 2nd half he added another 10 minutes and the penalty was scored in the 103rd minute!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 21, 2022 16:46:19 GMT
Thought it was interesting that he had managed…was it 9 red cards in his last 10 games with 5 in one? Completly boned the first penalty. Handled the concussion awefully, adds ten minutes then plays three. It also wasn’t a difficult game to manage. Be interesting to see what he might be like with battle with real vim. I miss Pierluigi (any excuse) View AttachmentMaths a bit of a challenge? There was 10 minutes added in the 2nd half and the penalty was scored in the 103rd minute! Correct but he’s right about the rest of it. I thought he was wank. There’s letting the game flow then there’s letting cheating Iranians get off with constant fouling Scot free. Can’t believe they only got two yellows!
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Post by marylandstoke on Nov 21, 2022 16:49:08 GMT
Thought it was interesting that he had managed…was it 9 red cards in his last 10 games with 5 in one? Completly boned the first penalty. Handled the concussion awefully, adds ten minutes then plays three. It also wasn’t a difficult game to manage. Be interesting to see what he might be like with battle with real vim. I miss Pierluigi (any excuse) View AttachmentMaths a bit of a challenge? There was 10 minutes added in the 1st half and the half finished at about 55 minutes. In the 2nd half he added another 10 minutes and the penalty was scored in the 103rd minute! Oops, I blame a bad graphic on the American coverage
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Post by werrington on Nov 21, 2022 17:02:59 GMT
That wasn’t the ref today …it was VAR
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Post by Northy on Nov 21, 2022 17:14:02 GMT
That wasn’t the ref today …it was VAR It should have been the ref for the Maguire penalty incident though, so blatant he could have blown up for a penalty, but then get it overturned if he's wrong.
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Post by raythesailor on Nov 21, 2022 17:44:59 GMT
Thought it was interesting that he had managed…was it 9 red cards in his last 10 games with 5 in one? Completly boned the first penalty. Handled the concussion awefully, adds ten minutes then plays three. It also wasn’t a difficult game to manage. Be interesting to see what he might be like with battle with real vim. I miss Pierluigi (any excuse) View AttachmentMaths a bit of a challenge? There was 10 minutes added in the 1st half and the half finished at about 55 minutes. In the 2nd half he added another 10 minutes and the penalty was scored in the 103rd minute! Agree the Pen was not good a good decision but the rules of the game state that. Should a penalty be awarded at the end of time it will be extended to take the Pen and then the game ends. Which is what happened.
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Post by AlliG on Nov 21, 2022 18:37:38 GMT
Maths a bit of a challenge? There was 10 minutes added in the 1st half and the half finished at about 55 minutes. In the 2nd half he added another 10 minutes and the penalty was scored in the 103rd minute! Agree the Pen was not good a good decision but the rules of the game state that. Should a penalty be awarded at the end of time it will be extended to take the Pen and then the game ends. Which is what happened. I know. It was a penalty awarded to Stoke, where the opposition booted the ball out of the ground, that led to the change in The Laws to say that time must be added on to allow the penalty to be taken. I was just pointing out to someone who had been led to believe that the ref didn't play the full amount of injury time that he had.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Nov 21, 2022 19:38:14 GMT
24 minutes of injury time in total, I can't remember another match with that amount apart from the one where Erickson had a heart attack. Gouranga.
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Post by raythesailor on Nov 21, 2022 19:56:02 GMT
USA v Wales.
Not sure yet about this guy. Not sure where he is from.
Basically he has got nothing wrong but seems very excitable when giving decisions. There could be a sending off in the second half.
Surprised at USA physicality and Wales performance so far.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 21, 2022 19:58:22 GMT
USA v Wales. Not sure yet about this guy. Not sure where he is from. Basically he has got nothing wrong but seems very excitable when giving decisions. There could be a sending off in the second half. Surprised at USA physicality and Wales performance so far. He's Qatari apparently. Only 35 as well. No idea where he's gained his experience.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 21, 2022 20:02:18 GMT
USA v Wales. Not sure yet about this guy. Not sure where he is from. Basically he has got nothing wrong but seems very excitable when giving decisions. There could be a sending off in the second half. Surprised at USA physicality and Wales performance so far. Not sure the first USA one was a yellow but the others have been. Although he can’t wait to give them.
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Post by raythesailor on Nov 21, 2022 21:06:23 GMT
He did ok with no major controversial decisions to make. So on the whole we have nothing to discuss, but I am sure there will be in the future.
To set a bench mark which I would class as average I would say 6/10 ?
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Post by sticky on Nov 21, 2022 21:58:18 GMT
I thought he was pretty weak tbh, and I still don’t understand what VAR can and cant be used for, seems open to some bullshit later on in the tournament to me
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 21, 2022 22:15:24 GMT
USA v Wales. Not sure yet about this guy. Not sure where he is from. Basically he has got nothing wrong but seems very excitable when giving decisions. There could be a sending off in the second half. Surprised at USA physicality and Wales performance so far. He's Qatari apparently. Only 35 as well. No idea where he's gained his experience. Gained most of it refereeing 'Al Gas-ico'.
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Post by zommbee on Nov 22, 2022 0:49:58 GMT
USA v Wales. Not sure yet about this guy. Not sure where he is from. Basically he has got nothing wrong but seems very excitable when giving decisions. There could be a sending off in the second half. Surprised at USA physicality and Wales performance so far. He's Qatari apparently. Only 35 as well. No idea where he's gained his experience. He was the ref in the 2019 FIFA Club World Cup Final, Liverpool beat Flamengo (Brazil) 1-0. He handled this game today quite well.
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Post by zommbee on Nov 22, 2022 1:06:35 GMT
We are constantly complaining about the quality of officials and their decisions in the Championship and the PL. We now have the opportunity to scrutinise and assess what is Presumably THE BEST CHOICE ON THE PLANET. Not only in our own games, when we may well be watching with tainted spectacles , but throughout the competition with today’s Brazilian, reffing England. I thought he was in a difficult situation and was not to bad, and tried to let the game flow by ignoring numerous fouls and blatant diving by Iran. This was the price we needed to pay otherwise the game would have become a farce constantly stopping and starting. So on the whole I would say 6 out of 10. USA v Wales could be interesting.⚓️ Can't complain about the refs on the pitch so far, they've been adequate to good, the VAR officials though definitely room for improvement. There are two English refs on the FIFA list for this tournament, Michael Oliver and Anthony Taylor, they will need to improve their standards to become adequate. Three women are on the list this time too, none given a game yet but two are due to be a fourth official tomorrow, Mexico v Poland & France v Australia.
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Post by raythesailor on Nov 22, 2022 12:17:31 GMT
Missed most of the Argentina game but caught the last twenty mins which seemed action packed. Can’t comment on the ref but he seemed busy the little I saw.
Not sure if he could have stopped the game sooner for the head injury.
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Post by raythesailor on Nov 22, 2022 15:09:01 GMT
Thought the ref in the Denmark game was pretty good. Two debatable pen decisions, neither given. In the English PL I have seen penalties given for situations like these. Would have been cruel on Tunisia who came out and gave them a game.
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Post by superjw on Nov 22, 2022 15:52:45 GMT
Missed most of the Argentina game but caught the last twenty mins which seemed action packed. Can’t comment on the ref but he seemed busy the little I saw. Not sure if he could have stopped the game sooner for the head injury. I think he could have stopped it sooner, it was clear it was a nasty collision. Even if the ref was obstructed it was clear as day for the linesman who could have told the ref to stop.
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Post by zommbee on Nov 22, 2022 23:23:35 GMT
Thought the ref in the Denmark game was pretty good. Two debatable pen decisions, neither given. In the English PL I have seen penalties given for situations like these. Would have been cruel on Tunisia who came out and gave them a game. The ref in this game, Cesar Arturo Ramos from Mexico, did well not to allow the VAR officials to change his mind about the penalty decisions, both calls correct. He's not been afraid in the past too, making big calls in the 2019 Asian Cup Finals and upsetting Cristiano Ronaldo in the 2018 World Cup. The ref's in the other three games today did well too, and the VAR officials had a better day but still need to improve.
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Post by linslader on Nov 23, 2022 12:15:11 GMT
Thought the ref in the Denmark game was pretty good. Two debatable pen decisions, neither given. In the English PL I have seen penalties given for situations like these. Would have been cruel on Tunisia who came out and gave them a game. The ref in this game, Cesar Arturo Ramos from Mexico, did well not to allow the VAR officials to change his mind about the penalty decisions, both calls correct. He's not been afraid in the past too, making big calls in the 2019 Asian Cup Finals and upsetting Cristiano Ronaldo in the 2018 World Cup. The ref's in the other three games today did well too, and the VAR officials had a better day but still need to improve. Anyone who upsets that whinging turd is fine by me.
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Post by raythesailor on Nov 23, 2022 12:38:12 GMT
The official in the Moroco game was quite good I thought. This was reflected by both teams shaking his hand and smiling at the end of what was a poor game.
He allowed the game to flow, ignored several attempts of diving and got little wrong.
On a footnote I have to ask; Is it a sign of old age or lechery when Fourth Officials start to look attractive ?🤪
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Post by raythesailor on Nov 25, 2022 12:12:28 GMT
Not to many comments on this thread, possibly due to the standard of refereeing which has been fairly good, and no major controversy until today.
Today’s official in the Wales game had his hands full, and in my opinion was below par.
Needing VAR to decide the sending off was absurd. He initially showed a lack of bottle. Then I suspect one of seven (😂) VAR officials told to show some balls.
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Post by yeokel on Nov 25, 2022 14:29:49 GMT
I thought the ref was quite good today. He allowed the game to be fairly physical and didn’t fall for any tumbles and dives.
True that he initially bottled the red card but, once he’d had an earful from somebody, corrected his error and made the right decision.
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Post by marylandstoke on Nov 26, 2022 13:38:04 GMT
Quite enjoyed the way this has gone. Love the ‘real’ amount of time added to games. Generally seems like the feeling is, if you can, let them play. VAR, well, you know my feelings but….not horrid. (I have many, many more var thoughts but that’s a story for another day children) Only one or two pantomime dames flouncing their cards around. Only one or two absolute, Grandpas screaming at the TV again moments. (ten minutes later in that game I reckon we get the pen, but I do now understand why we didn’t) (no matter how offside you are…you can’t be if their team knocks it to you ) All in all
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Post by zommbee on Nov 28, 2022 0:27:22 GMT
I thought Michael Oliver made a mistake in the Japan v Costa Rica game, gave only a yellow card for a clear professional foul on a Japanese player in the D on the edge of the penalty area, a red card for me, denying a clear goal scoring chance. VAR should maybe have at least asked him to take another look, there was a defender nearby as well as the player who made the foul which influenced the decision and if the incident had occurred 40 yards from goal a yellow card would've been right but so close to goal the striker would've had an attempt at goal if not impeded, a red card was appropriate. Other than that, the refereeing has been of a good standard overall and the VAR has been fairly consistent and mostly correct after a shaky start.
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Post by dutchstokie on Nov 28, 2022 9:25:54 GMT
What grates my gears is letting play go on for 15-20 seconds, when you blatantly see its offside and THEN raising the flag......
GRRRRR...
As a footnote, I reckon the ref for USA v Iran is gonna be busy....hope his pens got enough ink in it !!!!!
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Post by raythesailor on Dec 1, 2022 18:10:13 GMT
Well the qualifying rounds are almost over and we will soon be into the cut and thrust of the final rounds.
So what of the officials so far?
On the whole not to bad I would say. The last possible discussion point is to be seen this evening with a all female team of officials for the Germany game.
The only major controversy’s seem to have been caused by the very factor introduced to eliminate controversy. VAR
What a farce on occasions it has been.
Without a doubt the standard of Refereeing has been better than we see in the Championship. However as the tensions become higher and the threat of sudden elimination become more important will we see more controversy and how much will VAR effect the outcome and results of the games and the competition itself?
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