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Post by march4 on Nov 19, 2022 12:59:01 GMT
I expect us to sell at least one player. Tymon, Souttar seem to be our only sbstantial playing assets. Given their recent injury records either would be a distressed sale and make nowhere near their potential value. Selling either would be yet more brainless transfer activity. Bursik is worth a fortune. £40M of any Prem teams money.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 19, 2022 13:28:38 GMT
I don’t get the obsession with Pearson myself. Not sure he has the necessary discipline but I guess Neil knows him. He doesn’t have discipline. He’s a snidy horrible little shit. Just what we need. And a good footballer.
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Post by iamstokie on Nov 19, 2022 14:21:51 GMT
Tymon, Souttar seem to be our only sbstantial playing assets. Given their recent injury records either would be a distressed sale and make nowhere near their potential value. Selling either would be yet more brainless transfer activity. Bursik is worth a fortune. £40M of any Prem teams money. How he’s playing he’s not worth £2.50
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 19, 2022 20:10:47 GMT
Who in earth would fetch a really decent fee to create a budget We don't need a decent fee, we just need shuffle the squad a bit with a gk number 1 priority. By January play offs will be out of sight, we're currently more likely gonna be hovering above relegation than just below the play offs. Next summer is when the investment needs to be made. January will just be a patch up job unfortunately. If we are flirting with relegation for 25 games the managerial appointment is an abject failure and he needs to go on the day the season finishes so we don’t waste another summer recruiting by a manager doomed to leave
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2022 20:19:45 GMT
We don't need a decent fee, we just need shuffle the squad a bit with a gk number 1 priority. By January play offs will be out of sight, we're currently more likely gonna be hovering above relegation than just below the play offs. Next summer is when the investment needs to be made. January will just be a patch up job unfortunately. If we are flirting with relegation for 25 games the managerial appointment is an abject failure and he needs to go on the day the season finishes so we don’t waste another summer recruiting by a manager doomed to leave Can't argue with that.
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Post by lordb on Nov 19, 2022 21:03:45 GMT
We don't need a decent fee, we just need shuffle the squad a bit with a gk number 1 priority. By January play offs will be out of sight, we're currently more likely gonna be hovering above relegation than just below the play offs. Next summer is when the investment needs to be made. January will just be a patch up job unfortunately. If we are flirting with relegation for 25 games the managerial appointment is an abject failure and he needs to go on the day the season finishes so we don’t waste another summer recruiting by a manager doomed to leave Should definitely review at the end of the season if still pants yes he should go Need to see some kind of upturn in order to make backing him in the summer to make sense What would that upturn look like? Top half?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 19, 2022 21:13:27 GMT
If we are flirting with relegation for 25 games the managerial appointment is an abject failure and he needs to go on the day the season finishes so we don’t waste another summer recruiting by a manager doomed to leave Should definitely review at the end of the season if still pants yes he should go Need to see some kind of upturn in order to make backing him in the summer to make sense What would that upturn look like? Top half? Yep top half/flirting with playoffs. He's got the tools (literally in some cases) bar a keeper and a goalscorer which if he doesn't bring in either in January he's only got himself to blame. We're not going to have another massive overhaul in the summer are we we simply can't afford it? So if he doesn't get us playing something like football on a regular basis and into the top half then he needs to jog on. I think he can and will btw.
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Post by shakermaker on Nov 19, 2022 21:14:31 GMT
The transfer strategy needs to be geared around what formation Neil is going to stick with. At Preston he was firmly in the 4-2-3-1 camp. At Sunderland, he appears to have gone all MON and developed a liking for three at the back which has carried over into here. If he goes wing backs, we're back to needing a left-footed CB and I'm also not sure Pearson would suit that formation in a DM capacity.
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Post by potterpaul on Nov 19, 2022 22:48:51 GMT
I'm not saying we don't need to be active in the up coming transfer windows but if I was running the club I'd want know that the issues and problems that have plagued us in the Championship have been resolved or at least identified. I don't even believe the current owners admit there is such underlying issues and therefore the identification process hasn't even been considered.
Has it stands we could bring in players who, at this level, are the very best and suit AN's philosophy and before you know it, the club culture will turn them all into the sloppy shit we see regularly today.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 19, 2022 23:24:08 GMT
I'm not sure this is a plus or a minus, but my guess is that a 30M+ bid will come in for Harry after the world cup, but I really hope I'm wrong!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 19, 2022 23:59:42 GMT
I'm not sure this is a plus or a minus, but my guess is that a 30M+ will come in for Harry after the world cup, but I really hope I'm wrong! Where do these daft valuations of Souttar come from? I like him but 30m, we’d take 10m and feel we’d be lucky to get that.
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Post by wilcopotter on Nov 20, 2022 8:53:31 GMT
That's exactly how I see it. All this 'send the loans back' is all well and good except we can't. Well not unless the loanee and their club both agree which is unlikely to happen. Why would they? Some might to get them game time or to play in a better system. Sadly the manager seems to like Smallbone too. Which puts a spanner in the works. I could see Kilkenny going back and Pearson being signed. I can see Man City wanting Delap back maybe as well to get him a better loan. From what we’ve seen Man City can have him back for me. A new keeper is essential.
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Post by lordb on Nov 20, 2022 8:58:09 GMT
I'm not sure this is a plus or a minus, but my guess is that a 30M+ will come in for Harry after the world cup, but I really hope I'm wrong! Where do these daft valuations of Souttar come from? I like him but 30m, we’d take 10m and feel we’d be lucky to get that. £30m is silly But so is £10m
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Post by theonlooker on Nov 20, 2022 9:09:34 GMT
A good World Cup for Souttar could see his value sky rocket. You have to factor in the timing here, along with his likely PL destination clubs being sat in and around the bottom three.
A good world cup plus going straight into the notoriously difficult and expensive January window could just be the perfect storm for us.
He isn't necessarily worth 30M but if everything above comes true, especially an exceptional performance against France for example, and you could certainly see a hell of a lot of money being put on the table for him.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 20, 2022 9:23:22 GMT
I'm not sure this is a plus or a minus, but my guess is that a 30M+ will come in for Harry after the world cup, but I really hope I'm wrong! Where do these daft valuations of Souttar come from? I like him but 30m, we’d take 10m and feel we’d be lucky to get that. Really!!!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 20, 2022 10:20:30 GMT
Where do these daft valuations of Souttar come from? I like him but 30m, we’d take 10m and feel we’d be lucky to get that. £30m is silly But so is £10m Is it? He’s had one good season for us, is coming back from a long term injury and has done what? He’s a good player but the valuations are ridiculous.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 20, 2022 10:21:27 GMT
I'm not sure this is a plus or a minus, but my guess is that a 30M+ will come in for Harry after the world cup, but I really hope I'm wrong! Where do these daft valuations of Souttar come from? I like him but 30m, we’d take 10m and feel we’d be lucky to get that. I wouldn't be happy with 10 mil but sadly I suspect the club might.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 20, 2022 10:24:32 GMT
Where do these daft valuations of Souttar come from? I like him but 30m, we’d take 10m and feel we’d be lucky to get that. I wouldn't be happy with 10 mil but sadly I suspect the club might. I think they’d gladly take it. We didn’t even sell Arnie for 30m who is a much much much better player. We sold Collins for 12 rising to 15? Who’s a better defender. The valuations seems pie in the sky.
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Post by xchpotter on Nov 20, 2022 10:26:44 GMT
Would like to think Souttar would give us another season after his injury, but it’s a relative short career and as evidenced by his desire to get over with Australia for the World Cup, he will do what is in his best interests. Knowing how we always lose good assets when we tend to be in a weak position, I can see anything around double million figures doing the trick for the club. I wouldn’t agree with it, but it’s all still part of the legacy of the past few years. Just have to hope AN can do something good with whatever we get.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2022 12:15:43 GMT
Souttar may not even start in the world cup and if he does his second competitive game after twelve months out could be against France. That's a scary prospect. A Shawcross v Ibrahimovic moment would do his value no good at all.
I don't think prem clubs will be taking a punt on him in January anyway to be honest.
A good second half to the season could see us get a decent fee in the summer. Talk of £30 million is pie in the sky though. I think we will do extremely well to get £10 million.
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Post by independent on Nov 20, 2022 22:37:01 GMT
I don't understand why you want to give away our players for buttons. A good WC and he has to be worth at least 20 million. A bad WC and he can play for us for the rest of the season and thereby increase his value. 10 million?, MON has had to pay more than that in wages each season for players who haven't even kicked a ball for us. Souttar is worth more than 10 million to us.
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Post by callas12 on Nov 21, 2022 1:53:53 GMT
Villa were definitely watching Souttar prior to him getting crocked, albeit that was under Dean Smiths management. Guess potential interested Prem teams who were showing an interest may wait to see how the next 6 or so months go, including potential world cup showings, regarding his fitness and form post injury and make a move in the summer if he's still impressing.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2022 1:55:58 GMT
Villa were definitely watching Souttar prior to him getting crocked. Guess Villa and perhaps other Prem teams who were showing an interest may wait to see how the next 6 or so months go, including potential world cup showings, regarding his fitness and form post injury and make a move in the summer if he's still impressing Surely Gerrard leaving pretty much ends that?
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Post by callas12 on Nov 21, 2022 1:57:52 GMT
Villa were definitely watching Souttar prior to him getting crocked. Guess Villa and perhaps other Prem teams who were showing an interest may wait to see how the next 6 or so months go, including potential world cup showings, regarding his fitness and form post injury and make a move in the summer if he's still impressing Surely Gerrard leaving pretty much ends that? Was Dean Smith era watching him. So yeah may have changed, had edited as you replied. Although he could potentially be seen as a Mings replacement/upgrade depending on what plans Emery has
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2022 2:00:51 GMT
Surely Gerrard leaving pretty much ends that? Was Dean Smith era watching him. So yeah may have changed, had edited as you replied. Although he could potentially be seen as a Mings replacement/upgrade depending on what plans Emery has Oh God yeah. Pretty old school British manager set in his ways. Which is harsh on Harry as he’s a good footballer but I just can’t see anyone past that sort of manager wanting him.
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Post by callas12 on Nov 21, 2022 2:03:25 GMT
Heard a crowd rumour during the last home game that Man City were going to have Delap back and loan him out to a German team in the New Year. Not sure if that was pure speculating going on or there is some truth in it. Sure we'll soon find out.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2022 2:08:04 GMT
Heard a crowd rumour during the last home game that Man City were going to have Delap back and loan him out to a German team in the New Year. Not sure if that was pure speculating going on or there is some truth in it. Sure we'll soon find out. I can’t imagine them or him are happy with how it’s gone and they’d get him a Bundesliga club easy. And they were going to send him to Girona I was told so that’s an option still maybe and a better loan. And I didn’t get my words wrong earlier on this thread on that. I think he’ll end up at a better club on loan if they recall him.
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Post by dirtclod on Nov 21, 2022 3:08:00 GMT
Just hoping for small improvements this window. For example: We really need to quit the Soap Opera "The Old & the Crocked." That show's been done to death and ratings aren't going anywhere but down.
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Post by lordb on Nov 21, 2022 7:15:20 GMT
I wouldn't be happy with 10 mil but sadly I suspect the club might. I think they’d gladly take it. We didn’t even sell Arnie for 30m who is a much much much better player. We sold Collins for 12 rising to 15? Who’s a better defender. The valuations seems pie in the sky. Souttar is better than Collins We'd get at least the same again
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2022 9:00:26 GMT
I think they’d gladly take it. We didn’t even sell Arnie for 30m who is a much much much better player. We sold Collins for 12 rising to 15? Who’s a better defender. The valuations seems pie in the sky. Souttar is better than Collins We'd get at least the same again No he’s not. And that’s a view shared within the game from what I know.
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