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Post by mermaidsal on Nov 8, 2022 21:56:41 GMT
That's how to see Nate off the premises, I'll never get why that's a Prem manager but then I never got why he was a Stoke manager either. Luton really weren't good but AN really grabbed tonight by the scruff of the neck - so wtf not before this? Hopefully that was just a long blip. It wasn't just motivating the squad either, he read the game right. More please
9 from me
add * if you were there please
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Post by willieeetmiout on Nov 8, 2022 21:58:21 GMT
4
Luton the far better side. On another day with the chances they created they win that.
The result papers over another abject 3 at the back home performance.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 21:59:10 GMT
5
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Nov 8, 2022 22:00:46 GMT
7. Some good stuff and not so good stuff but played Powell in his best position and no surprise he was quality there. Main thing was the win which was much needed, a win Saturday and he's got the break to sort things out.
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Post by wakeypotter on Nov 8, 2022 22:00:48 GMT
6 for me
Not great viewing especially 2nd half
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Post by stokesaint1 on Nov 8, 2022 22:02:13 GMT
9 for the result, 8 for making the changes and 4 for the performance. No cohesion, no quality, no attacking prowess, a bit of an uncoordinated mess in reality. But, I'll take all that if we get the three points.
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Post by wuzza on Nov 8, 2022 22:04:07 GMT
Can’t go higher than 6.
Players put a ton of effort in so clearly got their commitment.
Defence was slightly better organised.
Overall standard of team performance though was pretty grim.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 8, 2022 22:05:58 GMT
6, got the result but I'm not convinced it really worked all that well, there's still a couple that need dropping which he seems determined not to do.
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Post by stokemark on Nov 8, 2022 22:06:08 GMT
7 - love a lucky manager 🤣
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Post by tejstokie on Nov 8, 2022 22:08:43 GMT
7 - Tough decision, it worked due to luck. He really needs to make changes for stability this January.
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Post by theonlooker on Nov 8, 2022 22:22:56 GMT
5.
Garbage football, stifling the game to death and creating very little but a welcome 3 points.
I fear it's going to be a very hard watch until January, possibly next season.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 8, 2022 22:26:54 GMT
7.5 - some flashes of good stuff, a fair bit of bad, but deserved the win and he’s slowly starting to twig a few things. He’s realised that we are, for all MON’s intentions, not a possession-based side and wisely bypassed the messy midfield. He’s also improved our game management. We’re still a bit of a mess but there’s a bit more energy about us which is something.
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Post by pzstokie on Nov 8, 2022 22:27:16 GMT
4 very lucky to get that win, play badly and win like the Wigan game
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Post by claytonscrubs on Nov 8, 2022 23:13:47 GMT
6
Not a great watch, especially the second half.
So glad to see Harry back. Thought he played very well, considering it’s his first game for 13 months.
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 8, 2022 23:47:05 GMT
6
Plenty of grim bits but 4 CMs were out and Baker needs a break. Bonus point for tactical tweaks - MON would probably have had us trying to pass it between the back 3 and Baker all game.
We were lucky.
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Post by loosestools on Nov 9, 2022 0:07:05 GMT
5 - got a bit lucky that Luton came to win and left themselves open at the back.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 9, 2022 0:14:29 GMT
6 Good result but we really haven't got the players for a long ball game. It turns games into a lottery - the only difference to the Birmingham game is our mistakes didn't lead to goals and we nicked a couple of goals early and didn't have to chase the game. This might get us through a sticky patch and help stave off relegation but it's mid table stuff at best. Neil's going to have to dismantle and rebuild the squad to play the way he really wants - not his or the players fault but this one doesn't suit him and the way he approaches games isn't going to get the best out of them. Playing hoofball suggests he's given up even trying.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2022 0:15:46 GMT
4 very lucky to get that win, play badly and win like the Wigan game Said exactly the same to someone earlier |
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 9, 2022 1:00:07 GMT
4 Luton the far better side. On another day with the chances they created they win that. The result papers over another abject 3 at the back home performance. We were 2-0 up after 15 minutes in a game we absolutely had to win. It would have been incredibly foolish to press for a third. Luton had to try to get a goal and all 11 Stoke players made sure they didn't. We were hardly in the second half yet twice came closer to scoring than they did apart from the hit post which technically was off target and bizarre panicky defending which ensued and where we definitely rode our luck. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 9, 2022 1:02:10 GMT
4 very lucky to get that win, play badly and win like the Wigan game Said exactly the same to someone earlier How many saves did Bonham have to make? I remember their gk making the best save of the match and a block on the line from Delap. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2022 1:41:47 GMT
Said exactly the same to someone earlier How many saves did Bonham have to make? I remember their gk making the best save of the match and a block on the line from Delap. He made one point blank one and beaten for the one that hit the post. Did we have 2 shots on target including the save? Point is was far from a great performance but the win more important. We've played far better and lost but the way it is in this league. Not kidding myself was a great performance but a clean sheet and a win.Was hardly tactical genius from AN but will take a poor game and a win any day. |
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Post by moon on Nov 9, 2022 5:51:45 GMT
7 for the manager
8 for the players
3 for the crowd
The score line tells a different story, obviously no complains about the result and the clean sheet, but we rode our luck. On another day Luton could’ve scored 3 or 4, but then again - we’ve had games like that ourselves and come away with nothing.
36% possession at home against Luton sounds pretty poor, but the important thing is the 3 points, and they are a decent side going forwards. If we need a few scrappy wins to solidify then so be it.
Our crowd was very poor, not that I blame them given our tenure so far in the Championship and recent home results, I hope we find some form and the crowd finds some positivity again, it is sad but watching Stoke really isn’t much of a spectacle these days, we are in need of a new lease of life.
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 9, 2022 8:42:59 GMT
How many saves did Bonham have to make? I remember their gk making the best save of the match and a block on the line from Delap. He made one point blank one and beaten for the one that hit the post. Did we have 2 shots on target including the save? Point is was far from a great performance but the win more important. We've played far better and lost but the way it is in this league. Not kidding myself was a great performance but a clean sheet and a win.Was hardly tactical genius from AN but will take a poor game and a win any day. Let's not pretend the point blank shot was a save. He would have stopped it blindfolded. He just stood there and caught it in his stomach. Yes got beaten by the one which hit the post but it wasn't on target was it? Yes we allowed them those two shots but for all their dominance outside the box that was it. Compare that to us v Rotherham when we were much better but couldn't convert any of the 12 shots we had on target and deserved to lose because Rotherham did what we did tonight - set up to frustrate and score the chances you get. You could say that last night we showed the ruthless streak we've been crying out for. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2022 9:22:03 GMT
He made one point blank one and beaten for the one that hit the post. Did we have 2 shots on target including the save? Point is was far from a great performance but the win more important. We've played far better and lost but the way it is in this league. Not kidding myself was a great performance but a clean sheet and a win.Was hardly tactical genius from AN but will take a poor game and a win any day. Let's not pretend the point blank shot was a save. He would have stopped it blindfolded. He just stood there and caught it in his stomach. Yes got beaten by the one which hit the post but it wasn't on target was it? Yes we allowed them those two shots but for all their dominance outside the box that was it. Compare that to us v Rotherham when we were much better but couldn't convert any of the 12 shots we had on target and deserved to lose because Rotherham did what we did tonight - set up to frustrate and score the chances you get. You could say that last night we showed the ruthless streak we've been crying out for. On the other hand what did we create in the way of chances? Very little. Two excellent crosses for the goals though . We probably played as well v Coventry but often a result papers over a performance but this division is about results and rarely do you see good football in it. Nothing wrong with ugly wins in it. Difference was we took a chance tonight and fortunate enough with the second. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 9, 2022 9:28:54 GMT
Let's not pretend the point blank shot was a save. He would have stopped it blindfolded. He just stood there and caught it in his stomach. Yes got beaten by the one which hit the post but it wasn't on target was it? Yes we allowed them those two shots but for all their dominance outside the box that was it. Compare that to us v Rotherham when we were much better but couldn't convert any of the 12 shots we had on target and deserved to lose because Rotherham did what we did tonight - set up to frustrate and score the chances you get. You could say that last night we showed the ruthless streak we've been crying out for. On the other hand what did we create in the way of chances? Very little. Two excellent crosses for the goals though . We probably played as well v Coventry but often a result papers over a performance but this division is about results and rarely do you see good football in it. Nothing wrong with ugly wins in it. Difference was we took a chance tonight and fortunate enough with the second. Exactly my point. Rotherham created one chance to our 24 but took it so deserved to win. We created two chances we took tonight and therefore deserved to win, job done. I remember Powell missing a chance first half (not in the highlights) and Delap had the shot saved well by the keeper and a shot on target blocked but bizarrely given as a goal kick. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2022 10:24:26 GMT
the performance might have been 6
but i will give AN a 8
35% stoke possession
54 % pass completion
on the surface rubbish stats , but i think it shows he got the players to change their mentality a bit
i am paraphrasing but AN was to me ,saying after the birmingham game ...i have had enough of us knocking the ball around , while our opponents sit there , waiting for us to make a mistake , so they can say , thank you very much , and go home with the three points .
it was a mess and a disjointed performance , but at least we weren't knocking the ball around endlessly until we gave it away .
we took more risks , gave the ball away more , but turned them , got behind them and but got some reward, on the rare occasions when we had them under pressure .
it was a mess , but it was a better sort of mess , than knocking the ball around with no actual purpose
the players showed some signs of actually listening to what AN had to say in last game, which is something to go off .
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Nov 9, 2022 11:51:23 GMT
7 had the balls to make changes and tactics, I'm not a fan of 5 at the back but we won ugly, how often have we been able to say lately, we've had plenty of teams come here and do it to us though, we've played much better and gone home with fuck all to show for it and the history books won't say Stoke played crap but won they'll say Stoke 2 Luton 0. If we play like that for the next 26 games and win the majority of them no one will care. It was great to see us win regardless of the manner. Gouranga.  |
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Post by OldStokie on Nov 9, 2022 13:47:51 GMT
I'm giving him an 8. Those marks are not for the quality of the performance; they're because last night we needed a home win whatever it took. Some say you make your own luck through hard work and resilience and last night we did that. Give me a scruffy, horrible game like last night any time over a mauling of Rotherham, where we should have scored half a dozen but lost. Right now it's results that matter and AN delivered a clean sheet, ended a miserable run of home defeats, and took all three points in the bargain. He also saved us the ignominy of losing to that tosser, Jones.
Now onto the Baggies and I'll take a similar performance as long as we get the same result.
OS.
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Post by Gunslinger on Nov 9, 2022 13:58:20 GMT
7
The result is more important than the performance. Hopefully the team can build on this and boost the players confidence.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Nov 9, 2022 14:10:50 GMT
6 Not a great watch, especially the second half. So glad to see Harry back. Thought he played very well, considering it’s his first game for 13 months. THIS |
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