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Post by wakefieldstokie on Nov 8, 2022 13:19:49 GMT
Its been 8-9 weeks since Alex Neil started at the mighty potters.
Played 13 won 4 drawn 3 lost 6 win percentage 30.8%
I'm not sure he knows his best line up yet, but I guess that's ok when its only weeks not months into his tenure. Naturally I think we all expected more at this point, right?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 13:25:56 GMT
Yes 6 wins 4 draws and 3 losses would be acceptable
The Birmingham, Coventry and Rotherham results are just unfathomable, just if we had drawn them giving, w4 d6 l3 would be better
To be on the positive side it gives out the message to the owners a squad revamp is required in the window,
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Post by theonlooker on Nov 8, 2022 13:26:23 GMT
C-
Must do better.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 13:27:11 GMT
Its been 8-9 weeks since Alex Neil started at the mighty potters. Played 13 won 4 drawn 3 lost 6 win percentage 30.8% I'm not sure he knows his best line up yet, but I guess that's ok when its only weeks not months into his tenure. Naturally I think we all expected more at this point, right? He talks won 13 to be fair. Been far worse since he came in despite the... not his team excuses etc.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Nov 8, 2022 13:29:27 GMT
I like this grading, a C from me.
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Post by wilcopotter on Nov 8, 2022 13:41:26 GMT
C for me. Early doors confidence, smidgen of arrogance and optimism is now giving way to realism and humility judging by the presssers, given he realises the inherited “quality “ squad on paper is, in fact, shit on the pitch. To early to judge, he’s right when he says individual errors have been the margin in games we should have won, but lost. Time will be the judge following the break and a couple of windows. Imo think he will get better as he gets better players in. Some on here still miss MON, but I think we now realise his initial very early sprint like performance hit the wall in the Marathon of time.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 8, 2022 13:45:34 GMT
Its been 8-9 weeks since Alex Neil started at the mighty potters. Played 13 won 4 drawn 3 lost 6 win percentage 30.8% I'm not sure he knows his best line up yet, but I guess that's ok when its only weeks not months into his tenure. Naturally I think we all expected more at this point, right? He talks won 13 to be fair. Been far worse since he came in despite the... not his team excuses etc. It really hasn't. There have been a couple of games where it has been worse but generally speaking the football has been far better to watch than under MON this season. He's not the Messiah that's certain but he's a long way from being just a naughty boy either.
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Post by Squeekster on Nov 8, 2022 13:56:10 GMT
He talks won 13 to be fair. Been far worse since he came in despite the... not his team excuses etc. It really hasn't. There have been a couple of games where it has been worse but generally speaking the football has been far better to watch than under MON this season. He's not the Messiah that's certain but he's a long way from being just a naughty boy either. I'd say with the exception that we look fitter it's exactly the same, some good performances, some unlucky and some crap.
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Post by gingerninja on Nov 8, 2022 13:57:22 GMT
I think by & large the football has been slicker than under MON, his issue is that the players have failed to deliver when in good attacking situations. I have never seen a team squander so many potentially promising situations in the final third.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 13:59:03 GMT
He talks won 13 to be fair. Been far worse since he came in despite the... not his team excuses etc. It really hasn't. There have been a couple of games where it has been worse but generally speaking the football has been far better to watch than under MON this season. He's not the Messiah that's certain but he's a long way from being just a naughty boy either. Can't agree your Graviness. Unlucky v Rotherham but some absolutely awful stuff and somehow getting worse
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 8, 2022 14:00:13 GMT
It really hasn't. There have been a couple of games where it has been worse but generally speaking the football has been far better to watch than under MON this season. He's not the Messiah that's certain but he's a long way from being just a naughty boy either. I'd say with the exception that we look fitter it's exactly the same, some good performances, some unlucky and some crap. For the most part I've been nowhere near as bored under Neil as I was under the final days of MON.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 8, 2022 14:00:34 GMT
D
Not much, if any, improvement from the previous manager. We look much better with a back four and absolute rubbish every time we play a back 3 yet he carries on doing it. I have confidence that it will improve slightly and then regress to the point where we sack him just as he’s getting his own squad and then repeat the same with the next manager.
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Post by xchpotter on Nov 8, 2022 14:03:23 GMT
I think by & large the football has been slicker than under MON, his issue is that the players have failed to deliver when in good attacking situations. I have never seen a team squander so many potentially promising situations in the final third. Nor a defence and goalkeeper gift so many opportunities to the other side in our final third. I wonder what happens when or if we play attack v defence in training. You’d think some thing would have to give, or is it like the unstoppable force meets the unmovable object and they just cancel each other out? The other missing dynamic (literally) is the midfield, not good enough to help create for forwards and not good enough to help support the defence. In summary, we’ve got problems right throughout the team from back to front 😂
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 8, 2022 14:04:22 GMT
It really hasn't. There have been a couple of games where it has been worse but generally speaking the football has been far better to watch than under MON this season. He's not the Messiah that's certain but he's a long way from being just a naughty boy either. Can't agree your Graviness. Unlucky v Rotherham but some absolutely awful stuff and somehow getting worse Fairy snuff. It's not the radical overhaul I was expecting (but that might have to wait to January or even June) but it just feels generally more positive. But I am yet to be totally convinced by him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 14:10:55 GMT
Can't agree your Graviness. Unlucky v Rotherham but some absolutely awful stuff and somehow getting worse Fairy snuff. It's not the radical overhaul I was expecting (but that might have to wait to January or even June) but it just feels generally more positive. But I am yet to be totally convinced by him. I never saw the acclaim he gets in some quarters. . I remember the...he knows the Championship stuff some used but he took up the best squad by a good stretch in this division. I know no promotion from the Championship is easy but thought a poor appointment from day 1. Was pleased when we didn't appoint him from Preston, more relieved to be fair but really don't see anything about the bloke at all. He has a big enough squad and all this, the players fault is a lame excuse. There are far weaker squads doing well enough above us that managers are getting results on the pitch with rather than talk the talk and not produce .
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 8, 2022 14:51:19 GMT
Fairy snuff. It's not the radical overhaul I was expecting (but that might have to wait to January or even June) but it just feels generally more positive. But I am yet to be totally convinced by him. I never saw the acclaim he gets in some quarters. . I remember the...he knows the Championship stuff some used but he took up the best squad by a good stretch in this division. I know no promotion from the Championship is easy but thought a poor appointment from day 1. Was pleased when we didn't appoint him from Preston, more relieved to be fair but really don't see anything about the bloke at all. He has a big enough squad and all this, the players fault is a lame excuse. There are far weaker squads doing well enough above us that managers are getting results on the pitch with rather than talk the talk and not produce . You have to admit though that but for some wretched finishing and individual mistakes at the back and in goal his record would look waaaaaay better. He can't really be judged on how shit someone else's players are. We'll have more of an idea come February. As I say I'm far from convinced but he is lumbered with an unbalanced squad. Playing Powell up top is quite disturbing. Although if it had worked we'd all be raving about it.
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Post by lordb on Nov 8, 2022 14:58:58 GMT
I think this thread should be parked until after Albion game
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 15:58:18 GMT
I never saw the acclaim he gets in some quarters. . I remember the...he knows the Championship stuff some used but he took up the best squad by a good stretch in this division. I know no promotion from the Championship is easy but thought a poor appointment from day 1. Was pleased when we didn't appoint him from Preston, more relieved to be fair but really don't see anything about the bloke at all. He has a big enough squad and all this, the players fault is a lame excuse. There are far weaker squads doing well enough above us that managers are getting results on the pitch with rather than talk the talk and not produce . You have to admit though that but for some wretched finishing and individual mistakes at the back and in goal his record would look waaaaaay better. He can't really be judged on how shit someone else's players are. We'll have more of an idea come February. As I say I'm far from convinced but he is lumbered with an unbalanced squad. Playing Powell up top is quite disturbing. Although if it had worked we'd all be raving about it. The players aren't shit compared to what's above us in the league. He knew what he was coming in to and we've gone backwards since. No excuses on that front for me
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 8, 2022 16:09:29 GMT
Fairy snuff. It's not the radical overhaul I was expecting (but that might have to wait to January or even June) but it just feels generally more positive. But I am yet to be totally convinced by him. I never saw the acclaim he gets in some quarters. . I remember the...he knows the Championship stuff some used but he took up the best squad by a good stretch in this division. I know no promotion from the Championship is easy but thought a poor appointment from day 1. Was pleased when we didn't appoint him from Preston, more relieved to be fair but really don't see anything about the bloke at all. He has a big enough squad and all this, the players fault is a lame excuse. There are far weaker squads doing well enough above us that managers are getting results on the pitch with rather than talk the talk and not produce . A big, overrated squad.
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Post by gawa on Nov 8, 2022 16:13:33 GMT
C-
Not the best results so far but not really had the chance to put his print on the team. Has the luxury of the world Cup break which is like a pre season in itself followed by a transfer window. So trying to be patient with him while he works everything out.
Based on those results we've got relegation form so realistically the only way should be up from here.
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Post by iamstokie on Nov 8, 2022 16:16:20 GMT
Its been 8-9 weeks since Alex Neil started at the mighty potters. Played 13 won 4 drawn 3 lost 6 win percentage 30.8% I'm not sure he knows his best line up yet, but I guess that's ok when its only weeks not months into his tenure. Naturally I think we all expected more at this point, right? Managers have been sacked for similar
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 16:20:48 GMT
I never saw the acclaim he gets in some quarters. . I remember the...he knows the Championship stuff some used but he took up the best squad by a good stretch in this division. I know no promotion from the Championship is easy but thought a poor appointment from day 1. Was pleased when we didn't appoint him from Preston, more relieved to be fair but really don't see anything about the bloke at all. He has a big enough squad and all this, the players fault is a lame excuse. There are far weaker squads doing well enough above us that managers are getting results on the pitch with rather than talk the talk and not produce . A big, overrated squad. Overrated by who? He has plenty to choose from and a good manager makes a good 11 out of them. Blaming the players is a clear sign of a manager who can't manage what he has. Those talented , huge squads in the play off places of course
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 8, 2022 16:36:56 GMT
You have to admit though that but for some wretched finishing and individual mistakes at the back and in goal his record would look waaaaaay better. He can't really be judged on how shit someone else's players are. We'll have more of an idea come February. As I say I'm far from convinced but he is lumbered with an unbalanced squad. Playing Powell up top is quite disturbing. Although if it had worked we'd all be raving about it. The players aren't shit compared to what's above us in the league. He knew what he was coming in to and we've gone backwards since. No excuses on that front for me We'll have to beg to differ on this one but I don't see us as having gone backwards in terms of performance. Individual errors and shitness have affected results which makes it appear we've gone backwards. It's still not good enough granted and at the end of the day it's on Neil's head because as you said he knew what he was getting into when he took the Bet365 shilling. But I'm prepared to withhold judgement until I've seen what late presents Santa brings in January.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 16:39:48 GMT
The players aren't shit compared to what's above us in the league. He knew what he was coming in to and we've gone backwards since. No excuses on that front for me We'll have to beg to differ on this one but I don't see us as having gone backwards in terms of performance. Individual errors and shitness have affected results which makes it appear we've gone backwards. It's still not good enough granted and at the end of the day it's on Neil's head because as you said he knew what he was getting into when he took the Bet365 shilling. But I'm prepared to withhold judgement until I've seen what late presents Santa brings in January. It doesn't help going behind every first shot against against us but Bursik should have been dropped by now. Coventry and Birmingham games were woeful and whilst not moaning re the win at Wigan, was as bad a game as you'll see but happily take those results
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Post by iamstokie on Nov 8, 2022 16:45:04 GMT
Overrated by who? He has plenty to choose from and a good manager makes a good 11 out of them. Blaming the players is a clear sign of a manager who can't manage what he has. Those talented , huge squads in the play off places of course Exactly, the excuse they’re not his players or the players don’t suit the system is just bollocks , a decent managers gets players playing well ( cooper at forest last year for eg ) , decent players can play various roles
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Post by gawa on Nov 8, 2022 16:46:13 GMT
We'll have to beg to differ on this one but I don't see us as having gone backwards in terms of performance. Individual errors and shitness have affected results which makes it appear we've gone backwards. It's still not good enough granted and at the end of the day it's on Neil's head because as you said he knew what he was getting into when he took the Bet365 shilling. But I'm prepared to withhold judgement until I've seen what late presents Santa brings in January. It doesn't help going behind every first shot against against us but Bursik should have been dropped by now. Coventry and Birmingham games were woeful and whilst not moaning re the win at Wigan, was as bad a game as you'll see but happily take those results Bonham played 4 games. 0.75 goals conceded per game. 50% cleansheets. 78% shots saved. Bursik played 16 games. 1.4 goals conceded per game. 5/16 cleansheets. 62% shits saved. Bonham has deserved more of a chance.
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Post by gawa on Nov 8, 2022 16:57:53 GMT
For what it's worth as well he has been unfortunate with injuries as well as careless mistakes and lack of composure at times.
But then so have West Brom, Middlesbrough and other teams around us. Willing to give benefit of the doubt for now in hope that an upturn comes by the new year.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Nov 8, 2022 17:02:48 GMT
You have to admit though that but for some wretched finishing and individual mistakes at the back and in goal his record would look waaaaaay better. He can't really be judged on how shit someone else's players are. We'll have more of an idea come February. As I say I'm far from convinced but he is lumbered with an unbalanced squad. Playing Powell up top is quite disturbing. Although if it had worked we'd all be raving about it. The players aren't shit compared to what's above us in the league. He knew what he was coming in to and we've gone backwards since. No excuses on that front for me While I wouldnt agree that its been worse, I feel there is some merit in what you are saying about the squad. As unbalanced as it is, its still, on paper at least, better than Blackpools, Rotherhams, Coventrys etc A decent manager would be getting some sort of tune out of it
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Post by dirtclod on Nov 8, 2022 17:20:35 GMT
C. He's inherited a disjointed mess. After MON, which was an F-
We may have one of the best squads in the league on paper, but it's not a team. It's been like trying to run the Mills Out van on Russian tank parts. Still a lot of work to do.
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Post by wakeypotter on Nov 8, 2022 17:21:37 GMT
Fairy snuff. It's not the radical overhaul I was expecting (but that might have to wait to January or even June) but it just feels generally more positive. But I am yet to be totally convinced by him. I never saw the acclaim he gets in some quarters. . I remember the...he knows the Championship stuff some used but he took up the best squad by a good stretch in this division. I know no promotion from the Championship is easy but thought a poor appointment from day 1. Was pleased when we didn't appoint him from Preston, more relieved to be fair but really don't see anything about the bloke at all. He has a big enough squad and all this, the players fault is a lame excuse. There are far weaker squads doing well enough above us that managers are getting results on the pitch with rather than talk the talk and not produce . Just how good do you think this squad is. I think it’s one of the worst in the division regarding passion, skill and direction.
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