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Post by jwhpotter on Nov 5, 2022 17:08:55 GMT
This ‘football’ if you can call it that is absolutely horrendous. No plan, no structure, absolutely nothing!!!
It’s certainly got no better that’s for sure
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Post by metalhead on Nov 5, 2022 17:09:29 GMT
Nope. More of the same.
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Post by David Brent on Nov 5, 2022 17:09:47 GMT
He’s not worse he’s just not better.
Another inept manager hired by a bunch of dinosaurs who only hire British managers
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Post by willieeetmiout on Nov 5, 2022 17:10:46 GMT
This ‘football’ if you can call it that is absolutely horrendous. No plan, no structure, absolutely nothing!!! It’s certainly got no better that’s for sure Thought we were really good against Rotherham. Been utter dogshit since. Utter utter dogshit. But any team that starts with competition winner Smallbone and pensioner Jagielka is always likely to be total dogshit. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2022 17:13:32 GMT
Still early days but the signs aren't good.
What i would say is that, at its best MON's football was the best football we've played since relegation by a country mile, and so far I've not seen much evidence that Neil can match that, but like I said, early days yet and Neil has to be given the chance to bring some of his own players in.
Having said that, he should be and has to be getting a better tune out of this team otherwise he won't get many windows to change things.
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Post by stokesaint1 on Nov 5, 2022 17:16:42 GMT
Certainly on a par. However, it just doesn't seem to be any different whoever the manager is. We can't just keep changing managers without getting to the root cause of the problems for the past 5 years or more. And no, I really don't know what the answer is, other than it's been like this since John Coates took over the reins.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Nov 5, 2022 17:17:59 GMT
Our best 3 attacking players are Fosu, Campbell and Powell. Today Fosu didn’t start and the other two were in positions they struggle in, all squeezed into a shape only Tymon is at home in. It’s not rocket science
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Post by wuzza on Nov 5, 2022 17:20:35 GMT
Looked exactly the same to me again which baffles me.
Neil talks like he’s aware of the issues , has put the work in to rectify them and we are good to go.
Then the game happens and everything is the same as it has been for years.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 5, 2022 17:21:55 GMT
He can only be judged after the Jan window. Needs to build his own team.
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Post by gawa on Nov 5, 2022 17:24:16 GMT
After the world Cup will be the best time to judge AN.
He will get a mini pre season with an almost full squad. Shortly after we then have the Jan window and we go from there.
It's shit but just got to have faith in the process and hopefully a break from a heavy schedule will do a world of good
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Post by salfordstokie on Nov 5, 2022 17:27:19 GMT
This mess is not Alex Neils fault. He has inherited a team that is not his and fingers have to be pointed at the owners for not sacking MON sooner. Anyone would stuggle in this situation.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Nov 5, 2022 17:30:09 GMT
He can only be judged after the Jan window. Needs to build his own team. Disagree He should be able to change the fitness, desire, fighting quality and attitude at a minimum and he’s failed to do that for me. He’s been very poor |
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Post by citynickscfc on Nov 5, 2022 17:31:09 GMT
Our best 3 attacking players are Fosu, Campbell and Powell. Today Fosu didn’t start and the other two were in positions they struggle in, all squeezed into a shape only Tymon is at home in. It’s not rocket science What have you seen since Campbell came back from injury to suggest he's any good??? |
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Post by David Brent on Nov 5, 2022 17:31:10 GMT
He can only be judged after the Jan window. Needs to build his own team. Disagree He should be able to change the fitness, desire, fighting quality and attitude at a minimum and he’s failed to do that for me. He’s been very poor Correct |
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Post by wuzza on Nov 5, 2022 17:32:01 GMT
This mess is not Alex Neils fault. He has inherited a team that is not his and fingers have to be pointed at the owners for not sacking MON sooner. Anyone would stuggle in this situation. Having said that though most managers go into new clubs and are asked to make the best of the squad of players available. It’s the nature of the job so I don’t think we can be overly sympathetic. It’s up to him to make things better than they were and right now any improvements are fairly marginal. |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Nov 5, 2022 17:37:06 GMT
That ones definitely on Neil's shoulders today, but I'm not passing judgement until he's has had a couple of windows himself, got some of his own players in, and shifted the shower O'Neill brought in..... Basically 95% of O'Neill's signings in his time at Stoke were proper shit!!!
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Post by metalhead on Nov 5, 2022 17:37:18 GMT
He’s not worse he’s just not better. Another inept manager hired by a bunch of dinosaurs who only hire British managers British managers aren't the issue. |
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Post by salfordstokie on Nov 5, 2022 17:39:28 GMT
This mess is not Alex Neils fault. He has inherited a team that is not his and fingers have to be pointed at the owners for not sacking MON sooner. Anyone would stuggle in this situation. Having said that though most managers go into new clubs and are asked to make the best of the squad of players available. It’s the nature of the job so I don’t think we can be overly sympathetic. It’s up to him to make things better than they were and right now any improvements are fairly marginal. I know that often managers do have a 'bounce' but some situations are worse than others. We have been a club in decline for 6 years now and that rot is hard to stop, especially in just 3 months. AN is a competent manager who has won promotion from this league. He is also a step up from MON so to place the blame at his door is a little unfair IMO. If the board dont back him in January though, we could end up in League One next year. |
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Post by xchpotter on Nov 5, 2022 17:41:17 GMT
This ‘football’ if you can call it that is absolutely horrendous. No plan, no structure, absolutely nothing!!! It’s certainly got no better that’s for sure Thought we were really good against Rotherham. Been utter dogshit since. Utter utter dogshit. But any team that starts with competition winner Smallbone and pensioner Jagielka is always likely to be total dogshit. To be fair to Jagielka he's earned his keep and today was one of those rare things for him. I do think though that age and a lack of movement in our team has taken its toll for him and building from the back. As in other games, their front two left a gap in the middle you could get a super tanker through but he chose not to take it meaning we go sideways, backwards or hoof. When Souttar is back he has the ability to stroll through that gap confidently and take us right up the pitch with control. |
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Post by LGH87 on Nov 5, 2022 17:41:22 GMT
Just fucking play 4-3-3, it’s not rocket science.
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Post by nonameface on Nov 5, 2022 17:43:00 GMT
MON gets sacked for not getting the most out of a play off worthy squad.
AN needs more time because the team is shit and he needs to get his own team.
Go figure.
Both decent managers, like the two beforehand to be fair.
Like most things, growth takes time and solidarity..unfortunately managers won't get it because of fans expectation; rightly or wrongly.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Nov 5, 2022 17:44:12 GMT
5 consecutive inadequate appointments on the bounce since Hughes the first of which was just plain stupid knee jerk at the worst possible time……
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 5, 2022 17:46:06 GMT
MON gets sacked for not getting the most out of a play off worthy squad. AN needs more time because the team is shit and he needs to get his own team. Go figure. Both decent managers, like the two beforehand to be fair. Like most things, growth takes time and solidarity..unfortunately managers won't get it because of fans expectation; rightly or wrongly. Every single one of the managers was rightly sacked. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 5, 2022 17:46:48 GMT
He can only be judged after the Jan window. Needs to build his own team. Disagree He should be able to change the fitness, desire, fighting quality and attitude at a minimum and he’s failed to do that for me. He’s been very poor I'm not saying he's doing a cracking job clearly he isnt but I dont think he can be judged this early when none of the players are his. |
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Post by BuckRogers on Nov 5, 2022 17:47:16 GMT
Another manager obsessed with wing backs😖 it never works at home.
Fosu should have started on wing , with Campbell on other wing .
It a shambles. Relegation it not careful
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Post by dirtclod on Nov 5, 2022 17:47:18 GMT
We held onto previous managers way too long, so now we're in a position of not being able to do THAT one again.
If we can manage to not lose our World Despot Cup players to injury - I want to see what AN can do after the break.
Would agree that it's almost been "on par" but MON created a mess of his own making that AN is trying to deal with.
Yeah and I don't get the whole wingback thing either.
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Post by dudnostokie on Nov 5, 2022 17:48:34 GMT
5 consecutive inadequate appointments on the bounce since Hughes the first of which was just plain stupid knee jerk at the worst possible time…… Oh yes, and deciding that Neil is an inadequate appointment after not even half a season (or a full transfer window) in charge isn't knee-jerk at all... |
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Post by wuzza on Nov 5, 2022 17:56:42 GMT
Having said that though most managers go into new clubs and are asked to make the best of the squad of players available. It’s the nature of the job so I don’t think we can be overly sympathetic. It’s up to him to make things better than they were and right now any improvements are fairly marginal. I know that often managers do have a 'bounce' but some situations are worse than others. We have been a club in decline for 6 years now and that rot is hard to stop, especially in just 3 months. AN is a competent manager who has won promotion from this league. He is also a step up from MON so to place the blame at his door is a little unfair IMO. If the board dont back him in January though, we could end up in League One next year. He talks well but I’m afraid he needs to start making a difference. Managers have inherited far worse playing groups than this one and improved results - this many weeks into his tenure we should have started to see his ethos in the team he puts out on the park , we should see noticeable changes in tactics and attitudes , we should see players that have learned something and are using their skills to better effect. That is not a massive ask , it’s what new management is recruited to do. Currently , at least at home , I can only see the same old same old. |
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Post by Gods on Nov 5, 2022 17:58:54 GMT
I'd like to know what the players really think.
Do they enjoy playing for AN? Are they excited about coming in to work?
I can guess at the answer but I'd like to know.
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Post by nickhfc on Nov 5, 2022 17:59:26 GMT
After Burnley-Sheffield Utd-Preston, I had real hopes for top 6, then Rotherham happened and the sky’s fallen in. Why?
When we’re playing badly, there’s absolutely no movement of players off the ball - that needs sorting urgently.
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