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Post by rambo61 on Oct 29, 2022 16:17:00 GMT
Come to our club...not really bothered if they do well.We're a stepping stone for them. They have no attatchment to the club..fans etc. If they are wank they go back to the parent club...if they are brilliant they go back even quicker...we cannot build a future on these loans!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2022 16:19:13 GMT
Come to our club...not really bothered if they do well.We're a stepping stone for them. They have no attatchment to the club..fans etc. If they are wank they go back to the parent club...if they are brilliant they go back even quicker...we cannot build a future on these loans!! Totally agree FFP is the saviour and also the ruin of the lower leagues.
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 29, 2022 16:19:27 GMT
Come to our club...not really bothered if they do well.We're a stepping stone for them. They have no attatchment to the club..fans etc. If they are wank they go back to the parent club...if they are brilliant they go back even quicker...we cannot build a future on these loans!! Fosu showed much, much more endeavour and hunger than Baker, Laurent, Brown or Gayle today. He was the only one trying to do something positive.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Oct 29, 2022 16:20:46 GMT
There's only Fosu I'd be willing to keep!!!
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Post by tejstokie on Oct 29, 2022 16:25:46 GMT
Come to our club...not really bothered if they do well.We're a stepping stone for them. They have no attatchment to the club..fans etc. If they are wank they go back to the parent club...if they are brilliant they go back even quicker...we cannot build a future on these loans!! Fosu showed much, much more endeavour and hunger than Baker, Laurent, Brown or Gayle today. He was the only one trying to do something positive. Fosu is the ONLY stoke player to take on his man or attempt something positive each week. We doesn't go heads down and back to goal, he looks up and moves to pass. Something AN and the club should focus on but clearly they do not.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 29, 2022 16:34:00 GMT
Astute use of the loan market is vital in this league.
What we’ve done is entrust absolutely key areas of the side to inexperienced young players.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Oct 29, 2022 16:40:08 GMT
I don’t agree. I don’t think you can question the effort of the loan players, and I’ve actually been quite pleased with Sterling, Clarke and Fosu. Kilkenny has been injured. Smallbone and Delap have been shite but the effort is there.
The problem with the squad at the moment is the contracted players. Bursik is League Two, Fox is meh, Laurent hasn’t showed up yet, Baker has been awful this season, Campbell has one good game every half dozen or so, Gayle is a shadow of his former self.
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Post by tejstokie on Oct 29, 2022 16:41:47 GMT
I don’t agree. I don’t think you can question the effort of the loan players, and I’ve actually been quite pleased with Sterling, Clarke and Fosu. Kilkenny has been injured. Smallbone and Delap have been shite but the effort is there. The problem with the squad at the moment is the contracted players. Bursik is League Two, Fox is meh, Laurent hasn’t showed up yet, Baker has been awful this season, Campbell has one good game every half dozen or so, Gayle is a shadow of his former self. I agree, some of the loan players look more apt and up for it each week than supposed contracted players who everyone has on the back of their kit. Current state of things here.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 29, 2022 17:30:47 GMT
As I've said previously we've signed multiple loan players and not spent any money this pre-season for a reason, there appears to be light at the end of the FFP tunnel but we're not out of the woods yet.
I was speaking to one of the solicitors at work whose partner is involved in deals involving clubs in the South/London, he told me that Stoke were one of the clubs heavily involved in signing Carlton Morris from Barnsley but were put off instantly as soon as the fee went to seven figures and beyond.
There's no way any manager - including MON or AN - would want 5/6 loanees in over his own players, 2/3 max would be the ideal. That's the market we're shopping in at the moment...........
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2022 17:59:00 GMT
Do QPR, Coventry or Rotherham have more money to spend on payers than us.
Something else is wrong within the walls of the club.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Oct 29, 2022 18:22:52 GMT
I think part of the problem is that we're getting too many unproven youngsters on loan. In the couple of years before we got promoted when we used the loan market very well we got experienced players like Hendrie, Diao, Griffin, Berger, Delap and Lawrence (the last two loan with view to buy) who had the proven quality to improve our team immediately and had the experience and confidence in their own abilities. The loans that failed in that era were generally younger players like Lee Martin, with Ryan Shawcross being the big, obvious successful young loanee. I think we need to be looking for more experienced loan players in the future so that we're not throwing so many young loan players in together at the same time. Because when things start to go wrong, young players don't have that experience to call back on and they can start to sink quickly. Which appears to be happening with Delap in particular.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 29, 2022 18:24:43 GMT
As I've said previously we've signed multiple loan players and not spent any money this pre-season for a reason, there appears to be light at the end of the FFP tunnel but we're not out of the woods yet. I was speaking to one of the solicitors at work whose partner is involved in deals involving clubs in the South/London, he told me that Stoke were one of the clubs heavily involved in signing Carlton Morris from Barnsley but were put off instantly as soon as the fee went to seven figures and beyond. There's no way any manager - including MON or AN - would want 5/6 loanees in over his own players, 2/3 max would be the ideal. That's the market we're shopping in at the moment........... Is that not the market the majority of the Championship is shopping in?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 29, 2022 18:30:24 GMT
As I've said previously we've signed multiple loan players and not spent any money this pre-season for a reason, there appears to be light at the end of the FFP tunnel but we're not out of the woods yet. I was speaking to one of the solicitors at work whose partner is involved in deals involving clubs in the South/London, he told me that Stoke were one of the clubs heavily involved in signing Carlton Morris from Barnsley but were put off instantly as soon as the fee went to seven figures and beyond. There's no way any manager - including MON or AN - would want 5/6 loanees in over his own players, 2/3 max would be the ideal. That's the market we're shopping in at the moment........... Is that not the market the majority of the Championship is shopping in? Us, Bristol City, Coventry, Preston, Reading and Rotherham were the only clubs not to spend any money on transfer fees…….
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Post by Rick Grimes on Oct 29, 2022 18:41:51 GMT
I don’t think it’s that they’re not bothered, but in the case of Smallbone and Delap in hindsight I don’t think it was the wisest choice to have such young and unproven players for those pivotal positions.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 29, 2022 18:46:44 GMT
Is that not the market the majority of the Championship is shopping in? Us, Bristol City, Coventry, Preston, Reading and Rotherham were the only clubs not to spend any money on transfer fees……. Yet we were able to sign quite a few players other clubs wanted, and the outlay on Gayle was significant enough to scare others off. It isn’t like we’re feeding off scraps here, we’ve been able to be competitive. The FFP situation has just removed the advantages we had over most of the league, but savvy clubs with savvy managers are still able to do well even with limited resources.
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Post by Ron on Oct 29, 2022 19:14:43 GMT
Far too many of them in and around the squad. The odd one is fine- but we’ve signed some real shite on loan this time around. I include Fosu in this. Don’t get what people see in him.
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Post by generationex on Oct 29, 2022 19:16:30 GMT
Now we’ve managed to get back to where we were in 2006 - which has taken some doing - loans are important.
But since Pulis we’ve never used the loan market properly. To be fair to Pulis he set the template for second tier clubs : experienced but underrated, usually because they were older players.
The ‘youth’ loan has never worked for us even though most thought Delap junior was guaranteed. The older loan players since Pulis haven’t worked either (see:Gayle) but that’s because of the poor judgment of those managers and they were too close to retirement.
We don’t yet know if AN has that ability to use the loan market. Like every manager he stands or falls on recruitment.
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