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Post by AlbertTatlock on Oct 29, 2022 15:58:44 GMT
Bursik 6 Fox 5 Jagielka 5 Wilmot 4 Clarke 4 Smallbone 4 Brown 4 Laurent 4 Fosu 5 Gayle 4 Brown 5 Subs; Powell 6 Delap 5 DWP 5 Thompson 5 Gouranga.  |
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Post by werrington on Oct 29, 2022 16:01:36 GMT
Agree or not …Bursik was mom by a country
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 29, 2022 16:06:29 GMT
Bursik 5 - good saves, bad saves
Fox 3 - we need much, much better
Jagielka 5 - poor by his standards
Wilmot 4 - poor defending
Clarke 4 - aggressive going forward but poor decision making
Smallbone 4 - wasteful, good pass to Brown for chance that was it.
Baker 4 - poor delivery on repeat
Laurent 4 - very limited
Fosu 6 - only one trying to do something positive, very little help from others.
Gayle 2 - past it
Brown 2 - brainless and talentless for the most part, usual Brown ineptness, good job he isn't 'lazy' as well, though didn't see much of his pressing today.
Powell - 4 - shocking miss for the free header.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Oct 29, 2022 16:07:30 GMT
Agree or not …Bursik was mom by a country Should have saved the 2nd but, without him it could have been 6 Saying that the header that Powell missed that would have made it 1-1 was a game changer, if it was on target it was in and we'd have got something from the game. Gouranga. |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Oct 29, 2022 16:08:55 GMT
Agree or not …Bursik was mom by a country Fosu for me Only player going forward with intent |
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 29, 2022 16:30:29 GMT
Bursik 5 - good saves, bad saves Fox 3 - we need much, much better Jagielka 5 - poor by his standards Wilmot 4 - poor defending Clarke 4 - aggressive going forward but poor decision making Smallbone 4 - wasteful, good pass to Brown for chance that was it. Baker 4 - poor delivery on repeat Laurent 4 - very limited Fosu 6 - only one trying to do something positive, very little help from others. Gayle 2 - past it Brown 2 - brainless and talentless for the most part, usual Brown ineptness, good job he isn't 'lazy' as well, though didn't much of his pressing today. Powell - 4 - shocking miss for the free header. Agreed. They looked like a tired bunch going through the motions till the WC break. NORWICH changed 6 of their team for this match after a run of poor results, we need to do the same, but not Clucas please. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 29, 2022 16:32:04 GMT
Agree or not …Bursik was mom by a country Him or Fosu for me. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 29, 2022 17:41:57 GMT
Bursik 5, I don't rate him, sorry. Fox 5 Jagielka 5 Wilmot 4, always seems to be involved in the situations where we concede! Clarke 5 Smallbone 6, I really don't understand why so many think he was shit today! I though he was the only bright spark!  Baker 3. needs a rest, been poor for too many games now! Laurent 4 Fosu 5 Gayle 2, finished! Brown 5 Subs; Powell 5 Delap 5 DWP 5 Thompson 5 |
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 29, 2022 17:44:21 GMT
Agree or not …Bursik was mom by a country Thought he was a liability until we had lost the game, then he made some good saves. I don't rate him, we need better!  |
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Post by stokecity4life on Oct 29, 2022 20:17:08 GMT
Im sorry how anyone can say anything decent about Bursik today is beyond me - lost us the game with the second goal - anything else after that is irrelevant.
The rest were awful too just for completeness but we have to drop this guy.
Anyone thats been coming to football for time will know a confident GK is vital.
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Post by dwr17477 on Oct 29, 2022 21:06:38 GMT
Bursik 3 - sorry but doesn't inspire confidence and poor for the second
Fox 4
Jagielka 4
Wilmot 4
Clarke 4
Smallbone 5 - I thought he did okay
Baker 4 - seems to have lost his way
Laurent 4 - slow
Fosu 6 - mom for me
Gayle 3
Brown 4 - should hit the target with his chances
Subs;
Powell 4 - missing that free header was a game changer for me - we'd have got something out of the game had he buried that
Delap 4
DWP 5
Thompson 5
We had a lot of the ball today but created little. Norwich were shit and the result flattered them but they took their critical chances - we didn't. If we don't get clinical in front of goal then we are in trouble.
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Post by biddulphchav on Oct 30, 2022 3:02:50 GMT
Agree or not …Bursik was mom by a country Thought he was a liability until we had lost the game, then he made some good saves. I don't rate him, we need better! Seems to be a pattern with him. When the game is tight the pressure is too much, once the game is effectively over he’s fine. He may be good enough in the future and clearly is talented but he’s costing us and I think he’ll continue to do so. We need an experienced keeper who has demonstrated they can perform under pressure, Bursik is not the answer right now |
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 30, 2022 11:16:00 GMT
Thought he was a liability until we had lost the game, then he made some good saves. I don't rate him, we need better! Seems to be a pattern with him. When the game is tight the pressure is too much, once the game is effectively over he’s fine. He may be good enough in the future and clearly is talented but he’s costing us and I think he’ll continue to do so. We need an experienced keeper who has demonstrated they can perform under pressure, Bursik is not the answer right now Just watched the highlights on ITV and thought he made good saves for the first and especially the third which was a remarkable save to stop the first shot. He didn't deserve to have the rebound fall to a Norwich player. I have to question whether our defenders did as much as they could to get to both rebounds. Whenever we have a save like that made against us the opposition seem to get so many bodies crowding the goalmouth that it results in a scramble and eventually no goal. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2022 11:57:41 GMT
Agree or not …Bursik was mom by a country I disagree, a " save " , is when you ideally catch , collect or gather the ball . Or failing that ,Plan B and a very good plan B , is getting a strong hand or even your fingertips to the ball , to tip it over the bar or wide of the post to safety ( literally a corner kick ) Parrying the ball straight back into the danger zone is not a save . Tbf he showed some great reflexes to get in some blocks I couldn't have managed in a million years But putting the ball straight back into the danger zone for the opposition, to tuck it away at the second attempt, does not save a goal |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2022 12:04:53 GMT
Having criticised bursik, I will also defend him
The protection he got from the Stoke midfield taking down Norwich players running free 30 or 40 yards from goal was pathetic.
When we were playing well, and our players started running free 30 , 40 yards out the Norwich midfielder's took it turns to take them down and pick up a yellow card
Our defence and keeper didn't get that protection
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Post by biddulphchav on Oct 30, 2022 12:12:22 GMT
Seems to be a pattern with him. When the game is tight the pressure is too much, once the game is effectively over he’s fine. He may be good enough in the future and clearly is talented but he’s costing us and I think he’ll continue to do so. We need an experienced keeper who has demonstrated they can perform under pressure, Bursik is not the answer right now Just watched the highlights on ITV and thought he made good saves for the first and especially the third which was a remarkable save to stop the first shot. He didn't deserve to have the rebound fall to a Norwich player. I have to question whether our defenders did as much as they could to get to both rebounds. Whenever we have a save like that made against us the opposition seem to get so many bodies crowding the goalmouth that it results in a scramble and eventually no goal. I don’t think you can say 3rd is in anyway down to Bursik, but the first and the second absolutely in my opinion are errors. The first he needs to parry wide of the goal and for the second he’s got to use his feet. He has a weakness on low shots close to him and effectively goes ‘over’ them because he’s poor with his feet. He’s also got a weakness playing properly as a sweeper, and doesn’t come quickly or decisively enough, which puts more pressure on the defence. I don’t think the defence is great, don’t get me wrong. But for me, Bursik is short of confidence and shouldn’t be in the team based on current form. I’d say the same about Wilmot, even though for large spells he looks good. Both are costing us right now. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2022 12:35:17 GMT
AN said that he thought we played well in some ways from penalty box to penalty box ,but the game was lost because we weren't as good as Norwich in BOTH penalty boxes at BOTH ends of the pitch.
There is some truth in this and the stats back him up .
Bursik stats are poor and Gayle's are as bad as you can get ... zero percent of shots converted ...it's impossible to be any worse than that
I would be happy to see to both dropped.
We certainly need changes at both ends of the pitch.
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Post by biddulphchav on Oct 30, 2022 12:57:38 GMT
AN said that he thought we played well in some ways from penalty box to penalty box ,but the game was lost because we weren't as good as Norwich in BOTH penalty boxes at BOTH ends of the pitch. There is some truth in this and the stats back him up . Bursik stats are poor and Gayle's are as bad as you can get ... zero percent of shots converted ...it's impossible to be any worse than that I would be happy to see to both dropped. We certainly need changes at both ends of the pitch. Agree we do, but the keeper and the defence have to absolutely be the priority. Without that nothing else matters, if we’d kept that game at 0-0 yesterday for example, the longer the game goes on the better our odds become (thought we were the better side), and at the least we come away with a point. I think AN has to make us more solid, we are conceding too many goals. All good teams are hard to beat, we’ll get nowhere until we fix it |
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 30, 2022 13:05:24 GMT
I don't think there are many goalkeepers who let in as many goals compared with shots on goal as Bursik? |
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Post by kjpt140v on Oct 30, 2022 23:52:24 GMT
Does everybody who rate the players actually go to those games? A couple of weeks a go I was criticised for my rating, I asked the poster if he had been to the game,he didn't reply.
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Post by gawa on Oct 31, 2022 1:20:47 GMT
Does everybody who rate the players actually go to those games? A couple of weeks a go I was criticised for my rating, I asked the poster if he had been to the game,he didn't reply. Alot watch the games on stream, especially the away games. Surely that warrants being able to rate the players? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2022 17:02:13 GMT
I don't think there are many goalkeepers who let in as many goals compared with shots on goal as Bursik? There aren't , just looking at our recent opponents... Joe bursik save % ( shots on target) 63 % Goals against per 90 mins 1.43 Angus gunn Norwich save % 76% GA 90 ...1.4 Coventry Ben Wilson save % 74.4 % GA 90 ...0.92 Rotherham Viktor Johansson save % 79.3 % GA 1.18 Preston Freddie woodman save % 75.4% GA 90...0.83 |
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Oct 31, 2022 17:17:55 GMT
I don't think there are many goalkeepers who let in as many goals compared with shots on goal as Bursik? There aren't , just looking at our recent opponents... Joe bursik save % ( shots on target) 63 % Goals against per 90 mins 1.43 Angus gunn Norwich save % 76% GA 90 ...1.4 Coventry Ben Wilson save % 74.4 % GA 90 ...0.92 Rotherham Viktor Johansson save % 79.3 % GA 1.18 Preston Freddie woodman save % 75.4% GA 90...0.83 Where did you find those stats, and have you got the figures for the entire division? I've been looking for them for a while and had a feeling that Bursik would be right down the bottom in terms of save percentage per shot on target. |
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Post by leicspotter on Oct 31, 2022 18:32:06 GMT
Bursik 4 - I think the defenders in front of him don't trust him anymore
Fox 4 - poor 2nd half
Jagielka 5
Wilmot 4
Clarke 4 - tried to get forward
Smallbone 4 - not the worst of our players but too lightweight for this league
Baker 3 - set pieces were very poor and did little else of note
Laurent 2 - not interested, needs dropping
Fosu 6 - mom for me. great cross for Powell and might have had a penalty (looked like Hanley played Fosu not the ball)
Gayle 4 - too deep, rest him a while
Brown 5 - should hit the target with his chance, most mobile of our entire line up
Subs;
Powell 5 - missing that free header was a game changer, and so unlike him - still has to start at Wigan
Delap 5 - showed intent and the best (equal) cross we have seen for 3 whole games ('cos it went to one of our players!). Starts ahead of Gayle surely
DWP 2 - why bother to bring him on I do not know
Thompson 5 - must start v Wigan
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2022 19:20:17 GMT
There aren't , just looking at our recent opponents... Joe bursik save % ( shots on target) 63 % Goals against per 90 mins 1.43 Angus gunn Norwich save % 76% GA 90 ...1.4 Coventry Ben Wilson save % 74.4 % GA 90 ...0.92 Rotherham Viktor Johansson save % 79.3 % GA 1.18 Preston Freddie woodman save % 75.4% GA 90...0.83 Where did you find those stats, and have you got the figures for the entire division? I've been looking for them for a while and had a feeling that Bursik would be right down the bottom in terms of save percentage per shot on target. fb ref.com type into google ,,,fb ref.com championship stats ,,,2022/23 lots of stats for every player .i every squad ,,.if you click on fhe advanced bit ..% crosses claimed ...average lengh of goal kick etc attackers ...% shots scored etc |
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Post by Sfance on Oct 31, 2022 20:20:16 GMT
Bursik is utterly dreadful.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2022 21:32:22 GMT
There aren't , just looking at our recent opponents... Joe bursik save % ( shots on target) 63 % Goals against per 90 mins 1.43 Angus gunn Norwich save % 76% GA 90 ...1.4 Coventry Ben Wilson save % 74.4 % GA 90 ...0.92 Rotherham Viktor Johansson save % 79.3 % GA 1.18 Preston Freddie woodman save % 75.4% GA 90...0.83 Where did you find those stats, and have you got the figures for the entire division? I've been looking for them for a while and had a feeling that Bursik would be right down the bottom in terms of save percentage per shot on target. found a link , click on squad goalkeeping , then the players name in the last column , you might have to scroll down the page if you click on the team name , eg norwich , you get the stats for every player , eg angus gunn fbref.com/en/comps/10/Championship-Stats#all_stats_squads_keeper |
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Post by kjpt140v on Oct 31, 2022 23:35:49 GMT
Does everybody who rate the players actually go to those games? A couple of weeks a go I was criticised for my rating, I asked the poster if he had been to the game,he didn't reply. Alot watch the games on stream, especially the away games. Surely that warrants being able to rate the players? I've not said otherwise. |
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