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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 2, 2022 22:24:11 GMT
Bloody hell Bursik, all over the shop. He was bizarre on the disallowed goal what in earth was he attempting to do looked like a Steven gerrard flap,
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Post by owdestokie2 on Nov 2, 2022 22:29:59 GMT
Bloody hell Bursik, all over the shop. He was bizarre on the disallowed goal what in earth was he attempting to do looked like a Steven gerrard flap, I’m not trying to criticise a young kid. I would have expected an experienced goalkeeper to flatten every player (Stoke defenders as well) to clear a ball within the six yard box at that angle.
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Post by stokie63 on Nov 2, 2022 22:30:12 GMT
Thought Wigan were very physical tonight got away with some blatant fouls lots of shirt pulling in the box a good ref could have given us a cple pens on the whole we deserved to win wasn't pretty but we stood up well to them.
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Post by raythesailor on Nov 2, 2022 22:40:14 GMT
Thought Wigan were very physical tonight got away with some blatant fouls lots of shirt pulling in the box a good ref could have given us a cple pens on the whole we deserved to win wasn't pretty but we stood up well to them. I agree. I don’t normally subscribe to the jumping on to the officials back but he did let some amazing infringements go tonight. Whilst I was watching through Red &White specs some of the rugby tackles that were un punished was beyond me.
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Post by hotpot on Nov 2, 2022 22:47:47 GMT
Nothing wrong with Delap, Brown, Gayle and DWP (who could be used more), while Campbell only needs to lose 10kg. Nothing wrong too with Laurent, Fosu, Baker, Clarke, Sterling, Wilmott, Jags, Fox, Thompson and Tymon. And surely we have one or two other young players/reserves that could be considered up to scratch. We will also get Big Harry back soon. MON left Stoke with some darned good players. AN just has to get his squad and substitutions right.
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Post by questionable on Nov 2, 2022 22:51:56 GMT
Not a Brown fan at all, he was awful tonight. No control or intelligence at all. Looked like someone who’d won a charity competition to play a game of football with us, honestly he was awful tonight.
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Post by Block 26 on Nov 2, 2022 22:57:51 GMT
Not a Brown fan at all, he was awful tonight. No control or intelligence at all. Looked like someone who’d won a charity competition to play a game of football with us, honestly he was awful tonight. I’ve always been a fan of his for his work rate & effort but since he came back from injury he’s been shocking.
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Post by Davef on Nov 2, 2022 22:58:44 GMT
Nothing wrong with Delap, Brown, Gayle and DWP (who could be used more), while Campbell only needs to lose 10kg. Nothing wrong too with Laurent, Fosu, Baker, Clarke, Sterling, Wilmott, Jags, Fox, Thompson and Tymon. And surely we have one or two other young players/reserves that could be considered up to scratch. We will also get Big Harry back soon. MON left Stoke with some darned good players. AN just has to get his squad and substitutions right. Just out of interest, what is Tyrese's current weight and what would it be if he lost a stone and a half?
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 2, 2022 22:59:18 GMT
In the battle of the two disjointed, crap teams, the lesser crap team won.
That was a dire match. I hate this league.
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Post by hotpot on Nov 2, 2022 23:07:11 GMT
Nothing wrong with Delap, Brown, Gayle and DWP (who could be used more), while Campbell only needs to lose 10kg. Nothing wrong too with Laurent, Fosu, Baker, Clarke, Sterling, Wilmott, Jags, Fox, Thompson and Tymon. And surely we have one or two other young players/reserves that could be considered up to scratch. We will also get Big Harry back soon. MON left Stoke with some darned good players. AN just has to get his squad and substitutions right. Just out of interest, what is Tyrese's current weight and what would it be if he lost a stone and a half? Very much lighter, therefore faster.
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Post by kerouac on Nov 2, 2022 23:13:32 GMT
Not a Brown fan at all, he was awful tonight. No control or intelligence at all. Looked like someone who’d won a charity competition to play a game of football with us, honestly he was awful tonight. If hes got too long to think about what hes going to do next, he kind stops and just falls over....dare I suggest looking for a foul, and the fact hes not very good at that,seldolm gets it given.Cant fault his commitment though.
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Post by Davef on Nov 2, 2022 23:17:20 GMT
Just out of interest, what is Tyrese's current weight and what would it be if he lost a stone and a half? Very much lighter, therefore faster. Didn't really answer my question did it? I take it you don't remember him leaving the Preston defender for dead the other week?
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 2, 2022 23:21:35 GMT
Just out of interest, what is Tyrese's current weight and what would it be if he lost a stone and a half? Very much lighter, therefore faster. Campbell needs to lose 10kg? Are you mad? He’s not exactly built as it is. He’s lean and his body weight is not the issue.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 2, 2022 23:26:09 GMT
Very much lighter, therefore faster. Campbell needs to lose 10kg? Are you mad? He’s not exactly built as it is. He’s lean and his body weight is not the issue. What Campbell needs to do in my opinion is firstly work on his non existent heading ability and secondly get abit of his old man’s desire into his game
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 2, 2022 23:39:42 GMT
Campbell needs to lose 10kg? Are you mad? He’s not exactly built as it is. He’s lean and his body weight is not the issue. What Campbell needs to do in my opinion is firstly work on his non existent heading ability and secondly get abit of his old man’s desire into his game For an explosive player, I’m really surprised that his leap is so poor, especially his vertical leap. He seems too nice, too often as well and doesn’t do well in 50-50s. His all-round game is terrible, but he can shoot.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 3, 2022 0:09:51 GMT
What Campbell needs to do in my opinion is firstly work on his non existent heading ability and secondly get abit of his old man’s desire into his game For an explosive player, I’m really surprised that his leap is so poor, especially his vertical leap. He seems too nice, too often as well and doesn’t do well in 50-50s. His all-round game is terrible, but he can shoot. We shouldn’t be hitting the ball to his head. It’s fucking daft.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 3, 2022 0:14:10 GMT
Tonight was ok and the reaction seems a tad ott.
We had 3/4 good situations that Gayle, Clarke or Brown fucked up and bar for them would have won even more comfortably than it was.
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 3, 2022 0:25:38 GMT
For an explosive player, I’m really surprised that his leap is so poor, especially his vertical leap. He seems too nice, too often as well and doesn’t do well in 50-50s. His all-round game is terrible, but he can shoot. We shouldn’t be hitting the ball to his head. It’s fucking daft. Agreed. How could one ever expect a 6 foot tall striker to ever head a ball. Next we’ll be asking our defenders to do the same. Madness!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 3, 2022 0:28:10 GMT
We shouldn’t be hitting the ball to his head. It’s fucking daft. Agreed. How could one ever expect a 6 foot tall striker to ever head a ball. Next we’ll be asking our defenders to do the same. Madness! It’s not his game. He’s a player that needs balls in behind, to be playing on the shoulder of the last man and crosses on the ground. Play to his strengths. It’s stupid not to.
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Post by lordb on Nov 3, 2022 0:30:59 GMT
Agreed. How could one ever expect a 6 foot tall striker to ever head a ball. Next we’ll be asking our defenders to do the same. Madness! It’s not his game. He’s a player that needs balls in behind, to be playing on the shoulder of the last man and crosses on the ground. Play to his strengths. It’s stupid not to. Of course None the less on occasion he will have to jump and the ball, he can work on this He's missed some decent headed chances too
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 3, 2022 0:34:06 GMT
Agreed. How could one ever expect a 6 foot tall striker to ever head a ball. Next we’ll be asking our defenders to do the same. Madness! It’s not his game. He’s a player that needs balls in behind, to be playing on the shoulder of the last man and crosses on the ground. Play to his strengths. It’s stupid not to. He offers next to nothing most games. If he hasn’t scored in a particular game, his contribution is shite. Does nothing off the ball, can’t hold it up well, won’t challenge for 50-50’s, isn’t particularly good at creating chances for others. Still looks like an impact sub at 22. We play a lot of low crosses, but his movement in the box, if he ever gets there, is generally meh. Playing off the shoulder is fine, but he’s basically just a younger, taller version of Scott Hogan.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 3, 2022 6:35:50 GMT
It’s not his game. He’s a player that needs balls in behind, to be playing on the shoulder of the last man and crosses on the ground. Play to his strengths. It’s stupid not to. He offers next to nothing most games. If he hasn’t scored in a particular game, his contribution is shite. Does nothing off the ball, can’t hold it up well, won’t challenge for 50-50’s, isn’t particularly good at creating chances for others. Still looks like an impact sub at 22. We play a lot of low crosses, but his movement in the box, if he ever gets there, is generally meh. Playing off the shoulder is fine, but he’s basically just a younger, taller version of Scott Hogan. I can’t agree he’s been fine this season on the whole. He’s stretched the play, ran at his full back. The only criticism I’d make is that he hasn’t scored some chances that he should.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 3, 2022 6:37:30 GMT
What the fuck is a “centre cirtle”, it’s driving me way crazier than it should but it’s so amateurish He’s always pronounced it like this. Few years ago in PL remember him saying Shawcross was "sruddling in the centre circle" after a bad challenge.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 3, 2022 8:05:08 GMT
I Don't think we played that badly, we were getting fouled a lot and the Ref just waved played on, which didn't help us at all.
I would be quite happy to play the same way in the next 3 games so long has we pick up the points.
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Post by dexter97 on Nov 3, 2022 9:22:23 GMT
Tonight was ok and the reaction seems a tad ott. We had 3/4 good situations that Gayle, Clarke or Brown fucked up and bar for them would have won even more comfortably than it was. True, although Wigwam had at least three very good opportunities too. Whether it finished 1-0 or 4-3, I think we just about deserved to scrape through by the odd goal. The forwards have become depressingly consistent in fluffing their lines in front of goal.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 3, 2022 10:08:30 GMT
Tonight was ok and the reaction seems a tad ott. We had 3/4 good situations that Gayle, Clarke or Brown fucked up and bar for them would have won even more comfortably than it was. True, although Wigwam had at least three very good opportunities too. Whether it finished 1-0 or 4-3, I think we just about deserved to scrape through by the odd goal. The forwards have become depressingly consistent in fluffing their lines in front of goal. Yeah it’s a genuine worry isn’t it. Everything is so rushed, scuffed and just messy. And when was the last time we scored a goalmouth scramble? We never seem to. That one last night should have been buried.
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Post by xchpotter on Nov 3, 2022 11:24:12 GMT
It’s not his game. He’s a player that needs balls in behind, to be playing on the shoulder of the last man and crosses on the ground. Play to his strengths. It’s stupid not to. Of course None the less on occasion he will have to jump and the ball, he can work on this He's missed some decent headed chances too Interesting re this heading and height thing as they aren’t necessarily mutual. For a big fella I felt Crouch’s heading was below par. At the other end of the scale, remember David Speedie? Wiki has him as 5’7” and yet he scored a shed full of goals with his head. I think heading technique can be worked upon, but I think the biggest factor is whether a player is willing to put their head in a place where it may get hurt. Irrespective of whether a player likes to head a ball or not, there isn’t an excuse to at least be semi competent in it, just as you would for any other skill.
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Post by tqstokie on Nov 3, 2022 14:31:14 GMT
Brown needs to harden up and stop falling over like a tart. He does nothing for us at the moment. I suppose the only thing good was the three points. Performance wise we were crap with absolutely no idea how to create a chance. Things can only improve. Might be worth trying a few of the younger players. Delap needs to be tpold if you can't get the ball cleanly don't foul the defender. I agree with much of what you are saying but risking youngsters in the predicament we are in is very dicey. I think we just need to keep going with the regulars until we get to January and hope we have a good Window You are probably very wise but I don't think, Taylor (when fit) DWP and Tom Sparrow would be too much of a risk. We need Sterling back to replace Clarke whose decision making was terrible. The current strikers are not cutting it so Campbell and DWP need to be given a run.
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Post by moon on Nov 3, 2022 16:47:43 GMT
Looked like someone who’d won a charity competition to play a game of football with us, honestly he was awful tonight. I’ve always been a fan of his for his work rate & effort but since he came back from injury he’s been shocking. He hasn’t been back all that long, he can’t have played more than 3 games since coming back? he’s a workhorse, he has never offered very much creatively but he managed to be in the right position at the right time a lot last season and got a decent return from it. I don’t think he is the answer to our goal scoring woes and he’s not the sort of player to come on and change a game when we are losing, but he’s a useful player to have around when we need to defend a lead. If everyone is fit and on form I don’t think he should be starting, but given how things have been going recently we do need a workhorse in the final third.
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Post by tosh on Nov 3, 2022 17:06:25 GMT
Of course None the less on occasion he will have to jump and the ball, he can work on this He's missed some decent headed chances too Interesting re this heading and height thing as they aren’t necessarily mutual. For a big fella I felt Crouch’s heading was below par. At the other end of the scale, remember David Speedie? Wiki has him as 5’7” and yet he scored a shed full of goals with his head. I think heading technique can be worked upon, but I think the biggest factor is whether a player is willing to put their head in a place where it may get hurt. Irrespective of whether a player likes to head a ball or not, there isn’t an excuse to at least be semi competent in it, just as you would for any other skill. Was Crouch’s heading “below par”? If so, how come he still holds the record for the most headed goals in the history of the premier league?
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